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azmaximillian

(14 posts)
Tue May 8, 2012, 02:30 PM May 2012

New here. SHOULD CHRISTIANS VOTE FOR A MORMON ?

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by xmas74 (a host of the Christian Liberals & Progressive People of Faith group).

I have been thinking how sad it is that the Republican party represents Christians in this country. The actions of Jesus illustrate a philosophy much closer to modern day Democrats than Republicans. I was very happy to stumble upon this forum where Christian Progressives can converse and do our part. I started a new site today. Here is my first post. I hope that there are some who will share this. I believe it is very dritical to point out the ways that the GOP and the so called "conservatives' can sell out their faith and back a Mormon. I did not link to it because I do not want to give the impression I am here to promote the site.

Should Christians vote for a Mormon President ?

" I was raised in Southern California. My father was a non practicing Catholic. My mother was a practicing Southern Baptist. My babysitter, for a few of my formative years, was a Japanese Buddhist. I became a Christian as a young teen, As years passed I would grow in my faith and try to understand the concept of diversity in religion. As I matured into a young adult I began to study the Bible with a never ending appetite. I began teach Bible study and accompany the Pastor when he would do his weekly rounds. My faith in God has kept me sane through troubled times. I am very tolerant of other people and their belief systems. I understand there will always be agnostics, atheists, and people who have different religious views . I do not hold their belief, or lack thereof, against them. I remain steadfast in mine.

I moved to Salt Lake City, Utah as an 18 year old and immediatley became aware of a whole new view on Jesus the Christ. I had been taught that Jesus was the son of God, Mormons believed that Jesus was one of many Gods that rule many planets. Jesus just happened to be the God that rules this one. I was taught that there was one God. Mormons tried to teach me there are many. The Mormons tried to tell me that Jesus and Satan were brothers. The Bible taught me something else. They told me that Jesus was married . It did not take long for me to realize that their Jesus was a different Jesus than mine. Their Jesus was the son of a god, that became God by being a righteous man. They taught me I could become a god if I followed their direction and became a good Mormon. I would get my own planet, procreate, and populate it with my "children" and be their God. The book of Mormon taught that the American Indian was "filthy and loathsome" and people of color had been cowards in the world of the preexistent spirit world where we all wait, as spirits, to get a body. They teach a "different Gospel " than I had learned. Fortunately I was firm in my faith to withstand the questions that the Mormons had put in my mind. I measured their teachings against the Bible and concluded they were false. Unfortunately Mormons convert Christians, who are still drinking milk, to Mormons everyday.

I began to see this as sad, and unfortunate. Using the same words, as "God" , "Salvation" , "Jesus Christ", "Gospel" , and other words they confuse believers and convert them, to what I consider, false teaching. I am disappointed that today, Evangelical Christians are supporting a Mormon for President of the United States. Why, if I am so tolerant of other faiths ,does it upset me our Christian leaders are selling out ?

The Bible taught me that there is one sin that is not forgivable, this sin is blasphemy, attributing the work of God to Satan. When I was looking into Mormonism something became very troubling. I found the founders of the Mormon church taught that Christian Pastors were agents of the devil in their temple ceremonies. They made fun of the notion that God could inhabit the whole universe and yet be in our hearts. Mormonism commits the unforgivable sin by the nature of its teachings.

I also learned that all of the early "witnesses" to the authenticity to the Book of Mormon eventually left the Mormon church and some even tried to form their own religion. Not one of the disciples of the Jesus of the bible ever did. They faced torture and death, yet none ever denied that which they had seen.

Mormons claim they are Christians, if they are than why the need to convert us ?. Mitt Romney is a member of a church that teaches many things that are at odds with historic Christianity. They take saved, believing people and convert them to fables and fairy tales, of a God that lives on planet "Kolob", and "Lamanites" and "Nephites". Civilizations that the Smithsonian Institute says "never existed".

I am tolerant of other faiths and beliefs . Does mean that I have to support a candidate for president who is a member of a "church" that has waged war on historic Christianity and whose mission is to convert millions of Christians to a false gospel ? Who will be obligated to follow the edicts of his "Elders" when it comes to decisions ?

We now have a President who has been vilified for having a radical as a preacher for 20 years. A radical Christian preacher that preached in the tradition of the Prophets. A method of teaching and preaching to leaders to consider the morals and ethics to the teachings of God before they make decisions. Brothers and sisters, you have that option.

Christians should not vote for a Mormon President. The day of judgement will arrive and those who support such a candidate and belief system will have a hard time justifying that one.

I believe an "Angel of light" did appear to Joseph Smith as the book of Mormon. An angel that taught a different gospel. Our gospel ( Good News ) is that God loved this world so much that he provided his only son as a substitute for our sins, a sin offering, and overcame the world by resurrecting him after his crucifiction, and receiving him back to his side. That we are saved by grace, through our faith, not by the ceremonies that we perform,being baptized after we are dead, or any other man made ceremony.

Their "Gospel" is salvation by good works, exaltation to Godhood if we follow their "ordinances", and that we will be married ,for eternity to our earthly spouses so we can populate other planets. Obviously a different gospel.


This is not a scholarly, formal, article with references and supporting links. Anybody that wants to study the Mormon cult can easily do so by doing a Google search of "Mormonism". Feel free to copy and post and share. I will ad blog features and more articles as I have time. Below are some helpful links.

Maximillian."

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New here. SHOULD CHRISTIANS VOTE FOR A MORMON ? (Original Post) azmaximillian May 2012 OP
Mormons are Christian readbofm May 2012 #1
Mounting Evidence for the Book of Mormon readbofm May 2012 #2
What Are the Core Beliefs of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints? readbofm May 2012 #3
Why Mormons do not believe in Trinity readbofm May 2012 #4
Christianity: Following Jesus in Word and Deed readbofm May 2012 #5
The Living Christ: The Testimony of the Apostles readbofm May 2012 #6
Old Arguments azmaximillian May 2012 #7
Hoax Alert joelcannon May 2012 #8
Welcome to DU hootinholler May 2012 #9
What Mormons Really Believe on LDS.org InterestingJack May 2012 #13
lack of historical and academic research says it all Dandini May 2012 #10
Maybe one should look around and learn Dandini May 2012 #11
Listen to the Gospel and learn Dandini May 2012 #12
The Mormons I know xmas74 May 2012 #14
 

readbofm

(6 posts)
1. Mormons are Christian
Tue May 8, 2012, 03:27 PM
May 2012

The issue of whether Latter-day Saints (Mormons) are Christian is not a new one, but the current media climate has caused the question to be revisited in both private and public conversations. No matter the circumstances, the underlying question is an important one and a matter whose implications reach well beyond the momentary news cycle.

Backgrounds

In the early decades of the 19th century, upstate New York came to be known as the “Burnt Over District” during the second Great Awakening in American history. Many in that day were spiritual searchers, seekers who sought in earnest for “the ancient order of things.” This movement, known as Christian Primitivism or Restorationism, was made up of men and women who yearned for the simple Christianity of first century Galilean peasants, not what they saw as the sterile, creedalized and institutionalized religion the Christian church had become through the centuries. The two most successful products of this time were the Disciples of Christ, founded by Alexander Campbell, and The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, founded by Joseph Smith.

Joseph Smith explained that in his first vision, he was instructed to join none of the existing churches in the area, since they were believing in incorrect doctrines and lacked the apostolic power given to Peter and the apostles by Jesus (Matthew 16:13-19), and because God intended to bring about the scripturally-promised “restitution of all things” (Acts 3:21). Obviously this announcement was not received enthusiastically by pastors and priests and religious scholars of the day and became the rub between traditional Christianity and what the Mormons know as the “restored gospel.” That wedge has been in place for almost two centuries now. Joseph Smith’s ministry continued for 24 years after his first vision (he was murdered in June of 1844), and the Latter-day Saints remained an object of interest, curiosity and suspicion during that time. The movement west under the leadership of Brigham Young, Joseph’s successor, allowed the Saints to be isolated in the valley of the Great Salt Lake and to establish their “Zion,” a spiritual commonwealth. The 20th century dawned upon a Mormonism that was ready to become a contributing partner in America’s pluralistic society.

It’s worth noting that the cry of “Mormons are not Christian” was not something heard very often, if at all, during the days of Joseph Smith. People knew that the faith of the Latter-day Saints was in fact quite different than their own, that the followers of Joseph Smith believed in doctrinal matters that deviated from “traditional” Christianity, but folks seemed to assume that Mormonism fit under the umbrella of Christianity. I grew up in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, during the 1950s and 1960s. Most of my friends were either Southern Baptist or Roman Catholic. We spoke of religion occasionally and knew that doctrinal differences existed between us, but it would never have occurred to my buddies to exclude me and my family, or the other Latter-day Saints in our area for that matter, from the category of Christian. Simply put, we were Christian. My first encounter with the fact that there were people in the world who considered us to be non-Christian or that we constituted a “cult” came while I was serving as a young full-time missionary for the Church in the eastern United States. In those days conservative Protestants would meet us at the door with a copy of Walter Martin’s Kingdom of the Cults (1965). I think I had never heard the word cult before that time, and I certainly had never been told that I wasn’t Christian. Such sentiments spread within the evangelical Christian world during the 1980s with the release of Ed Decker’s movie The Godmakers, an anti-Mormon production one Presbyterian minister in Arizona called “religious pornography” for how it turned the sacred into the profane.

Questions and Answers

Well, that’s a bit of background. Let me now pose and respond briefly to some questions that are frequently asked. I am not an officer of the Church, nor do I speak with any authority beyond my own word. But I am a member of the faith in good standing, a serious student of the teachings and beliefs of the faith, and a professor of religion at the Church’s flagship academic institution, Brigham Young University, for the last 29 years.

1. Why do Mormons insist they are Christian?

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is built upon the person, power, divine Sonship and teachings of Jesus Christ. He is our Savior, our Lord and our God. Salvation comes in and through Him and in no other way. He alone has the power to forgive sins, cleanse hearts and raise people from the dead. He is also the great Exemplar, the model for happiness and the abundant life.

2. Do Latter-day Saints want to be included within traditional Christianity?

Although we have many things in common with different denominations, we are not a part of Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, or Protestant Christianity. Instead, we claim that ours is an entirely different expression of original Christianity—restored Christianity.

3. Then why do you want to be called Christian when you are not really a part of historical Christianity?

I am not bothered very much when I am speaking with religious scholars or ministers and they suggest that Mormons are not Christians; they are generally speaking theologically or historically. Because Mormons do not hold to or accept as spiritually binding the decisions and formulations of the post-New Testament church councils (Nicaea, Constantinople, Ephesus), and because we believe in an expanded canon of scripture, they do not consider us to be a part of “orthodox” Christianity. They are correct. On the other hand, when the man on the street or the woman in the pew hears the words “Mormons are not Christian,” what do they make of it? Do they think it means that Mormons do not accept the divinity of Jesus, do not accept the message and witness of the New Testament, do not believe that Jesus suffered and died for our sins, do not believe that He rose from the dead into glorious immortality? If they were to draw any of those conclusions, they would be incorrect and thereby misunderstand, misperceive and thereafter misrepresent the faith and beliefs held by their Latter-day Saint friends.

A few years ago I was in New York City and met with the late Father Richard John Neuhaus, a respected conservative voice among Roman Catholics. We conversed cordially for almost an hour, and he spoke fondly of the Mormon/Evangelical dialogue that had been underway for a decade. He indicated that a similar dialogue between Catholics and Mormons was long overdue and then said, “There is a great need for more conversation between Latter-day Saint Christians and Nicene Christians.” Now that’s a recognition and a distinction with which most Latter-day Saints would be quite comfortable.

4. Do Mormons worship Joseph Smith?

We do not. Our worship is reserved for the members of the Godhead. We do respect and revere Joseph Smith as a modern prophet, much as ancient Israel revered Abraham or Moses and as first-century Christians revered Peter or Paul.

5. How would Mormons define a Christian?

We believe a Christian is one who is a follower of Jesus. No one of us has the power or right to look into the hearts of men and women and discern the reality of their Christianity or the depths of their commitment to Christ. Faith is a personal matter and is really between that person and God.

6. Because Latter-day Saints believe that many truths and powers were lost from the earth following the deaths of the apostles, do they feel they are the only true Christians?

No. We see ourselves as a part of the larger Christian world, and we have no difficulty acknowledging that our Christian friends worship the same God we do, seek the redeeming power of the same Savior we do, and enjoy the illuminating and sanctifying influence of the same Holy Spirit we do. Now, to be sure, Latter-day Saints do believe they have something to add to the great reservoir of Christian truth in the world—important theological insights, as well as a broadened perspective on the purpose of life and the eternal destiny of individuals and families.

7. Why do the Mormons send missionaries into the world, especially to people who are already Christian and have a faith of their own?

Latter-day Saints take the Savior’s great commission very seriously (see Matthew 28:19-20) and feel a responsibility to share what they hold dear with others. Because we feel that God has restored the fulness of His gospel through living prophets and thus that we have something significant to offer, we have no hesitation in approaching everyone with our message, even those who have already aligned themselves with a denomination or faith tradition. Indeed, if I really believe that what I have to offer is a pearl of great price, that it has eternal implications for all of God’s children, just how much must I dislike you in order not to bring this message to your attention?

Latter-day Saints seek only the right to define themselves in today’s world and explain what they really do believe. While we have no desire to compromise our distinctiveness or ignore our differences with other religious groups, we feel it is appropriate to celebrate our similarities and work together to recognize and remedy many of the moral and family issues in our society. In that light, we ask only to be invited more regularly into the larger religious conversation; we think we have significant contributions to make.

The United States has been a melting pot or a stew (choose your metaphor) for over two centuries, and we have prospered and become a beloved land largely because we have welcomed those who were different ethnically, racially, culturally and religiously. Name-calling, categorizing, pigeon-holing, and even demonizing persons who are different are really unbecoming of a nation like ours. Surely we are better than that. Joseph Smith once observed: “If I esteem mankind to be in error, shall I bear them down? No. I will lift them up, and in their own way too, if I cannot persuade them my way is better; and I will not seek to compel any man to believe as I do, only by the force of reasoning, for truth will cut its own way. Do you believe in Jesus Christ and the gospel of salvation which he revealed? So do I. Christians should cease wrangling and contending with each other, and cultivate the principles of union and friendship in their midst.” I couldn’t agree more. There is too much at stake in the world today for God-fearing people to spend their time and energies attacking one another. Jesus called us to a higher standard.

 

readbofm

(6 posts)
2. Mounting Evidence for the Book of Mormon
Tue May 8, 2012, 03:32 PM
May 2012

Mounting Evidence for the Book of Mormon
BY DANIEL C. PETERSON
________________________________________
Faithful scholarship continues to expand our understanding of the Book of Mormon.
Mounting Evidence for the Book of Mormon

Serious study of the Book of Mormon by Latter-day Saints is flourishing today as never before.1 And, with more study, the book’s sturdiness and richness and the remarkable accomplishment of its translator, the Prophet Joseph Smith, become more apparent for everyone to see.2

Of course, scholarship does not replace spiritual witness as a source of testimony. As Elder B. H. Roberts (1857–1933) of the Seventy said: “The power of the Holy Ghost … must ever be the chief source of evidence for the Book of Mormon. All other evidence is secondary. … No arrangement of evidence, however skillfully ordered; no argument, however adroitly made, can ever take its place.”
Yet scholarship has a definite place even in spiritual matters. The Lord said in an 1829 revelation through the Prophet Joseph Smith to Oliver Cowdery, “Yea, behold, I will tell you in your mind and in your heart, by the Holy Ghost” (D&C 8:2; emphasis added). In 1832 the Lord said to the Prophet Joseph Smith, “Seek learning, even by study and also by faith” (D&C 88:118). As one writer observed: “What no one shows the ability to defend is quickly abandoned. Rational argument does not create belief, but it maintains a climate in which belief may flourish.”3

For one thing, careful scholarship helps us to understand more fully, deeply, and precisely. “To be known, the truth must be stated,” Elder Roberts said, “and the clearer and more complete the statement is, the better opportunity will the Holy Spirit have for testifying to the souls of men that the work is true.”4

The April 1986 general conference, in which President Ezra Taft Benson was sustained as President of the Church, was a turning point for studying and applying the teachings of the Book of Mormon. Citing Doctrine and Covenants 84:54–57 [D&C 84:54–57], President Benson said that the Church had neglected its charter scripture and that “now, in our day, the Lord has revealed the need to reemphasize the Book of Mormon.” He blessed the Saints with “increased understanding” of the book.5

That blessing has been and clearly continues to be fulfilled. Thankfully, a spirit of attentiveness to the Book of Mormon had already begun working upon the Church. As one indicator only, the publication of serious studies on or about the Book of Mormon rose 50 percent in the late 1970s and exploded another 230 percent in the early 1980s. And the surge continues.6 This article summarizes a few highlights of what research has taught us about the Book of Mormon and its ancient setting.

The Plates, the Translation, and the Witnesses
For a brief period in the late 1820s, the Prophet Joseph Smith did indeed possess the gold plates. That is among the most securely established facts in Latter-day Saint history. In addition to Joseph Smith, 11 official witnesses and several unofficial witnesses testified to the existence of the plates and, in some cases, to dramatic supernatural confirmation of their truth. Meticulous research on these witnesses has confirmed their good character and the veracity of their accounts.7
What is more, although the Prophet’s critics found his claim of angelic visits and gold plates ridiculous, we now know that the writing of religious texts on metal plates (sometimes on gold), was an authentic ancient practice. Indeed, the ancient practice now is known to have occurred at precisely the era and place from which Book of Mormon peoples came.8 In fact, with the Copper Scroll and other materials from the Dead Sea, we have an almost exact parallel: like the ancient Nephite plates, these materials were sealed up in a hillside just prior to military disaster, to preserve them for a future time.

The Book of Mormon claims to have been written in “reformed Egyptian” (Morm. 9:32). Most who have studied the subject conclude that this signifies writing the Hebrew language in modified Egyptian characters. In recent years, we have learned that several ancient documents were written in precisely that fashion.9

The title page of the Book of Mormon declares that it was to come forth “by the gift and power of God.” Recent evidence and scholarship indicates that this is exactly what would have had to happen.10 In addition, the evidence indicates that the translation and dictation of the book were accomplished in roughly 63 working days—a torrid pace that, with neither rewrites nor corrections, produced nearly 8.5 pages (of our current English edition) daily.11
Further, there is no evidence at all that Joseph Smith did any scholarly research, or even that he read very much, before the Book of Mormon appeared.12 In fact, he may not even have owned a Bible at the time of translation.13 Joseph Smith had spent the bulk of his time as a youth cutting trees, burning brush, clearing rocks, and plowing. He had received at most a few months of formal schooling. His mother later recalled that, even into his late teens, “he seemed much less inclined to the perusal of books than any of the rest of our children.”14

His wife Emma reports that, in the late 1820s, Joseph “could neither write nor dictate a coherent and well worded letter, let alone dictate a book like the Book of Mormon. … The larger part of this labor [of translation] was done [in] my presence and where I could see and know what was being done. … During no part of it did Joseph Smith have any [manuscripts] or book of any kind from which to read or dictate except the metalic [sic] plates which I knew he had.”15 “If,” she said, “he had had anything of the kind he could not have concealed it from me.”16

And, she added, writing to her son: “I am satisfied that no man could have dictated the writing of the manuscripts unless he was inspired; for, when acting as his scribe, your father would dictate to me hour after hour; and when returning after meals, or after interruptions, he would at once begin where he had left off, without either seeing the manuscript or having any portion of it read to him. This was a usual thing for him to do. It would have been improbable that a learned man could do this; and, for one so ignorant and unlearned as he was, it was simply impossible.”17

In recent years, rigorous statistical analysis strongly indicates that neither Joseph Smith nor any of his known associates composed the English text of the Book of Mormon. In fact, research suggests that the book was written by numerous distinct authors.18
And research shows that the book does not seem to fit the culture of early 19th-century America. There is little of the military romanticism of Joseph Smith’s America. Instead, we see grimly realistic portrayals of war’s devastation and suffering. And in the story of the Gadianton robbers we have a detailed, realistic portrayal of a prolonged guerrilla struggle—lacking any trace of fife and drum, uniforms, or parades—published well over a century before the guerrilla theorists of the 20th century put pens to paper.19
From Jerusalem to the New World

The Book of Mormon does fit what we know of the ancient world. Its early account of Jerusalem just before the Babylonian captivity gains in plausibility as research continues to accumulate.20 For example, the name of Lehi’s wife, Sariah, previously unknown outside the Book of Mormon, has been found in ancient Jewish documents from Egypt.21 Likewise, the nonbiblical name Nephi belongs to the very time and place of the first Book of Mormon figure who bears it.22 Nephi’s slaying of Laban and the justification given to him by the Lord for doing so can now be seen as instruction that focused on the culture of Nephi’s era.23

The imagery in Nephi’s vision is deeply rooted in ancient Near Eastern symbolism with which Joseph Smith could not have been familiar.24 Moreover, its predictions are strikingly accurate. Consider 1 Nephi 13:12 [1 Ne. 13:12], a passage generally applied to Christopher Columbus: “And I looked and beheld a man among the Gentiles, who was separated from the seed of my brethren by the many waters; and I beheld the Spirit of God, that it came down and wrought upon the man; and he went forth upon the many waters, even unto the seed of my brethren, who were in the promised land.”

Many have been accustomed to see in Columbus merely an adventurer seeking to open trade routes to the East Indies. But with the recent publication of Columbus’s private Book of Prophecies, we see how accurate the Book of Mormon’s description of him is. He said he was guided by the Holy Spirit, and he was eager not only to spread Christianity but to fulfill biblical prophecies. Among his favorite passages were John 10:16, with its reference to “other sheep,” and the passages of Isaiah concerning the people on the “isles of the sea.”25 These are the very passages that the Book of Mormon applies to itself.26
In his 1952 essay “Lehi in the Desert,” Hugh Nibley illuminated Lehi’s land journey from Jerusalem by placing it along the coast of the Arabian peninsula.27 Since that time, Latter-day Saint scholars and explorers have refined our understanding of that route through actual visits and systematic surveys of the area, enabling us to identify likely Book of Mormon locations in Arabia.28 The Book of Mormon account of Lehi’s Arabian sojourn is remarkably accurate to numerous specific geographic conditions, but no scholar in the 19th century, let alone Joseph Smith, could have known of it.29

Lehi’s epic journey from Jerusalem to the New World endured in the memory of his descendants, who saw it as a signal instance of God’s miraculous power much like the Israelites’ earlier deliverance from Egyptian bondage.30 In fact, careful modern readings show that the very terms in which Lehi’s journey was described and remembered derive from the biblical account of the Exodus. The literary crafting of the story is both very sophisticated and authentically Near Eastern.31
An Old World Culture in a New World Setting

In its smallest details, the Book of Mormon reveals its roots in the ancient Near East. For example, the system of exchange set out in Alma 11:3–19 recalls ancient Babylonian economic legislation.32 And, after Zemnarihah’s execution (3 Ne. 4:28), the tree upon which he had been hanged was ritually chopped down, just as ancient Jewish law required.33 The oath of allegiance taken by Nephite soldiers in Alma 46:21–22 is almost identical in form to military oaths among ancient Israelite and Hittite warriors.34 And the curse of speechlessness placed upon Korihor in Alma 30:49 finds striking ancient parallels.35

King Benjamin’s classic address in Mosiah 2–5 occupies roughly 11 pages in the current English edition, which means that Joseph Smith may have dictated this doctrinally rich text of nearly 5,000 words in a little more than one day. Recent research shows that the sermon is intimately linked with the ancient Israelite Feast of Tabernacles and the Day of Atonement, as well as with archaic treaty and covenant formulas and early Near Eastern coronation festivals.36 Even the physical setting of the speech—delivered while the king stood upon a tower (see Mosiah 2 )—is ritually appropriate to the occasion. But the Prophet Joseph Smith could not have learned this from the English Bibles or any other books available to him.37

Likewise, he could not have known that the ancient Hebrew term moshia’ signifies a champion of justice against oppression, appointed by God, whose mission it is to liberate a chosen people from oppression, especially by nonviolent means. The term does not occur in the English of the King James Bible. But such nonviolent deliverance is a major theme of the book of Mosiah.38
The appearance of the two men named Alma in the Book of Mormon has occasioned much comment from critics. They observe that Alma is a woman’s name and Latin rather than Hebrew. (Many recognize the phrase alma mater, which means “beneficent mother” and refers to the school from which someone has graduated.) They are correct, of course. If Joseph Smith knew the name Alma at all in the early 19th century, he would have known it as a woman’s name in Latin. Recent documentary finds demonstrate, however, that Alma also occurs as a Semitic masculine personal name in the ancient Near East—just as it does in the Book of Mormon.39
Alma 7:10 predicts that Jesus “shall be born of Mary, at Jerusalem which is the land of our forefathers.” Is this a mistake? Everyone knows that Jesus was born in Bethlehem, not in Jerusalem. But it is now plain from modern evidence that Bethlehem could be, and indeed was, regarded anciently as a town in the “land of Jerusalem.”

A recently released text from the Dead Sea Scrolls, for example—a text claiming origin in Jeremiah’s days (and therefore in Lehi’s)—says that the Jews of that period were “taken captive from the land of Jerusalem.”40 Joseph Smith could not have learned this from the Bible, though, for no such language appears in it.
The recent discovery in the Book of Mormon of its characteristically ancient literary structure or technique known as chiasmus—a rhetorical device overlooked by biblical scholarship until decades after Joseph Smith’s death—is another powerful indicator of the record’s antiquity.41 The same literary structure has now been identified in pre-Columbian America.42 An understanding of the chiastic construction of Alma 36 also impressively deepens our understanding of the Christ-centered character of that entire chapter and of the Book of Mormon’s witness as a whole.

Another intriguing example of chiasmus occurs in Helaman 6:10 [Hel. 6:10]. Here, the chiastic turning point rests on an equivalence between the word Lord and the royal name Zedekiah. But those words are only equivalent for readers who are aware that the term Lord probably stands (as it does in the King James Bible) for the divine name Jehovah or Yahweh, and that the -iah element in Zedekiah is the first portion of that same divine name. Also this chiasm works better in Hebrew than in English, which is an important and remarkable clue to the original language of the Book of Mormon.43
Many such clues appear among the book’s place names. Jershon, for instance, designates a place that was given to the people of Anti-Nephi-Lehi as a “land … for an inheritance” (Alma 27:22). In Hebrew, Jershon means “a place of inheritance.”44 Joseph Smith simply would not have known this in the late 1820s.

The allegory of the olive tree in Jacob 5 shows a clear knowledge of olive cultivation far beyond what Joseph Smith, growing up in the American Northeast, could have possessed. But it is entirely consistent, in impressive detail, with what we learn from ancient manuals on olive cultivation.45 Likewise, the account of the great destruction given in 3 Nephi 8 [3 Ne. 8] finds remarkable parallels with what modern seismology and vulcanology show about cataclysmic geological events and with historical reports of such catastrophes. Yet Joseph Smith never saw a volcano and never experienced a significant earthquake, nor is it likely he had read any substantial literature on the subject.46
But the region of Mesoamerica—particularly southern Mexico and Guatemala, where many suggest that much of the Book of Mormon story may have happened—is a place of continuing volcanic and seismic activity. Painstaking research of John L. Sorenson and others has demonstrated the plausibility of the complex geographical data contained in the Book of Mormon. It suggests many fascinating correlations with what we continue to learn about life in ancient Mesoamerica.47
Summing Up

As Latter-day Saints, we must never take the Book of Mormon for granted. Its sheer existence is astonishing. That it was produced by an almost completely uneducated young man constitutes a challenge to the entire world. Yet its historical narrative is sober and realistic. Its content is rich, profound, and subtly complex.48 And though dictated at a rapid pace, it tells a highly consistent and very complex story involving scores of place and personal names and internal quotations.49

Persons who choose to dismiss the Book of Mormon must find their own ideas for explaining it and the mounting evidence for its authenticity. And while we will never “prove” the Book of Mormon true, the trajectory of the evidence strongly suggests that it is exactly what it claims to be, a book worthy of our deep study, reflection, and serious personal prayer. Thousands of hours of research have produced the current blossoming of Book of Mormon studies that bless the lives of Latter-day Saints. They cannot be lightly brushed aside.
The conclusion of the matter is that much modern evidence supports the more powerful witness of the Holy Ghost that the Book of Mormon is true. Joseph Smith, who translated it, had to be what he said he was, a prophet of God. The Church of Jesus Christ has been restored. Most important, the Book of Mormon and The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints affirm that Jesus is the Christ, the divine Savior of the world, and that He will come someday in the future in the manner that the scriptures herald.

[illustrations] Above: More than 100 examples of ancient writing on metal plates have been discovered, including this gold plate of Darius, buried in a stone box in 516–515 B.C. Right: Research on the 11 official witnesses to the golden plates has confirmed their good character. (Joseph Smith Translating; Eight Witnesses View the Book of Mormon Plates, both by Dale Kilbourn.)
[illustration] Columbus in America, 1492, © Superstock
[illustration] Frontier Prophet, by Dee Jay Bawden
[illustration] Painting by Gary E. Smith, courtesy of Robert Garff
[photo] Courtesy of Yigael Yadin and Shrine of the Book Museum, Jerusalem
[illustration] Detail from Alma and Amulek in Prison, by Gary L. Kapp
Daniel C. Peterson is director of the Center for the Preservation of Ancient

 

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3. What Are the Core Beliefs of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?
Tue May 8, 2012, 03:35 PM
May 2012

Members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints can be found at every level of society — in business and charity, education and the sciences, political parties and government, the entertainment industry and news media.

Describing the character of Latter-day Saints, Newsweek magazine wrote: “No matter where Mormons live, they find themselves part of a network of mutual concern; in Mormon theology everyone is a minister of a kind, everyone is empowered in some way to do good to others, and to have good done unto them: it is a 21st century covenant of caring. This caring is not limited to Church members alone, but extends far beyond.”

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is the fourth largest Christian church in America. More than half of its 14 million members live outside the United States. Yet despite the faith’s growth and presence, survey results continue to show that relatively few people are familiar with Mormon beliefs.

As an institution, the Church has the responsibility to publicly and clearly articulate its official teachings. In turn, reporters can help inform the public by accurately reporting on these doctrines. But in doing so journalists should be aware of some common pitfalls. For instance, reporters pressed for time tend to take peripheral aspects of the faith and place them front and center as if they were vital tenets of belief. Additionally, sincere commentators often overemphasize what others see as “different” about Latter-day Saints at the expense of highlighting the Church’s most fundamental doctrines in their reporting. Unfortunately, as many members attest, this kind of journalism paints a distorted picture of the Church and continues to confuse the public.

Despite these complications, the Church welcomes honest inquiry from all types of media outlets. The Church expects journalists to be accurate and honest and to focus on the faith as it is lived and believed by its members. The Church discourages sensationalized and misleading journalism that accentuates abstract ideas that do not reflect the beliefs, teachings and practices of the Church’s global membership.

What Are the Core Beliefs of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?

The founder of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Joseph Smith, wrote, “The fundamental principles of our religion are … concerning Jesus Christ that He died was buried, and rose again the third day, and ascended into heaven; all other things which pertain to our religion are only appendages to it.”

In addition to the above, Latter-day Saints believe unequivocally that:

1. Jesus Christ is the Savior of the world and the Son of our loving Heavenly Father.

2. Christ’s Atonement allows mankind to be saved from their sins and return to live with God and their families forever.

3. Christ’s original Church as described in the New Testament has been restored in modern times.

1. Jesus Christ is the Savior of the world and the Son of our loving Heavenly Father

Latter-day Saints believe God sent His Son, Jesus Christ, to save all mankind from their sins (see John 3:16). God is a loving Heavenly Father who knows His children individually, hears and answers their prayers, and feels compassion toward them. Heavenly Father and His Son, Jesus Christ, are two separate beings but along with the Holy Ghost (Spirit) are one in will, purpose and love.

Latter-day Saints worship Jesus Christ as their Savior and Redeemer. He is central to the lives of Church members. They accept His grace and mercy; they seek to follow His example by being baptized (see Matthew 3:13-17), praying in His holy name (see Matthew 6 -13), partaking of the sacrament (communion) (see Luke 22:19-20), doing good to others (see Acts 10:38) and bearing witness of Him through both word and deed (see James 2:26).

2. Christ’s Atonement allows mankind to be saved from their sins and return to live with God and their families forever.

Latter-day Saints believe that God has a plan for His children to return to live with Him and become “joint-heirs with Christ” (Romans 8:17). For members of the Church, Jesus Christ’s sacrifice is central to God’s plan for our happiness. Although humans make mistakes and sin, Mormons view this mortal life as an opportunity to progress and learn. By following Christ’s teachings, embracing His mercy and accepting baptism and other sacraments, Mormons believe they are cleansed from sin through Christ’s grace and can return to live with God and their families forever.

3. Christ’s original Church as described in the New Testament has been restored in modern times.

Members believe that Christ established His Church anciently on the “foundation of the apostles and prophets” (Ephesians 2:20; see also Ephesians 4:11-14) with “one faith, [and] one baptism” (Ephesians 4:5). They believe this foundation of “one faith” was gradually undermined after the death of Christ’s apostles. As a result, the original foundation of authority to lead the Church was lost and needed to be restored (see Acts 3:21). Today, members preach that the Lord has indeed restored His Church with living apostles and prophets, starting with the founding prophet of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Joseph Smith.

Church members understand that families are the most important unit of society. Accordingly, those who follow Christ and keep His commandments are promised to live with their families forever in divinely instituted eternal relationships.


Introduction

The religious experience of Church members is based on a spiritual witness from God that inspires the heart and mind, creating an interpersonal relationship directly with God. The Church’s role is to help aid its members in their quest to follow Christ’s teachings. Therefore, the Church’s core doctrines strive in every instance to align with Christ’s teachings as outlined in the Bible and other sacred scripture, including the Book of Mormon.

Latter-day Saints believe that the Church’s scripturally-based teachings change lives by motivating people to become more like the Savior. President Boyd K. Packer of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles has taught, “True doctrine, understood, changes attitudes and behavior.”

With this understanding in mind, the following series of answers to frequently asked questions about the Church’s teachings should help further illuminate what Latter-day Saints believe. The list of questions is not comprehensive but represents some of the most common inquiries from news media.

Are Mormons Christian?

Yes. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is a Christian church but is neither Catholic nor Protestant. Rather, it is a restoration of the Church of Jesus Christ as originally established by the Savior in the New Testament of the Bible. The Church does not embrace the creeds that developed in the third and fourth centuries that are now central to many other Christian churches.

Latter-day Saints believe God sent His Son, Jesus Christ, to save all mankind from death and their individual sins. Jesus Christ is central to the lives of Church members. They seek to follow His example by being baptized (see Matthew 3:13-17), praying in His holy name (see Matthew 6 -13), partaking of the sacrament (see Luke 22:19-20), doing good to others (see Acts 10:38) and bearing witness of Him through both word and deed (see James 2:26). The only way to salvation is through faith in Jesus Christ.

· Read more about Latter-day Saint Christianity

What do Mormons believe about God?

God is often referred to in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as our Heavenly Father because He is the Father of all human spirits and they are created in His image (see Genesis 1:27). It is an appropriate term for God who is kind and just, all wise and all powerful. God the Father, His Son, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost constitute the Godhead or Trinity for Mormons. Latter-day Saints believe God is embodied, though His body is perfect and glorified.

Do Mormons believe in the Trinity?

Mormons most commonly use the term “Godhead” to refer to the Trinity. The first article of faith for the Latter-day Saints reads: “We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.” Latter-day Saints believe God the Father, Jesus Christ and the Holy Ghost are one in will and purpose but are not literally the same being or substance, as conceptions of the Holy Trinity commonly imply.

What is the Mormon view of the purpose of life?

For Latter-day Saints, mortal existence is seen in the context of a great sweep of history, from a pre-earth life where the spirits of all mankind lived with Heavenly Father to a future life in His presence where continued growth, learning and improving will take place. Life on earth is regarded as a temporary state in which men and women are tried and tested — and where they gain experiences obtainable nowhere else. God knew humans would make mistakes, so He provided a Savior, Jesus Christ, who would take upon Himself the sins of the world. To members of the Church, physical death on earth is not an end but the beginning of the next step in God’s plan for His children.

Do Mormons believe in the Bible?

Yes. The Church reveres the Bible as the word of God, a sacred volume of scripture. Latter-day Saints cherish its teachings and engage in a lifelong study of its divine wisdom. Moreover, during worship services the Bible is pondered and discussed. Additional books of scripture — including the Book of Mormon— strengthen and reinforce God’s teachings through additional witnesses and provide moving accounts of the personal experiences many individuals had with Jesus Christ. According to Church apostle M. Russell Ballard, “The Book of Mormon does not dilute nor diminish nor deemphasize the Bible. On the contrary, it expands, extends, and exalts it.”

What is the Book of Mormon?

In addition to the Old and New Testaments of the Bible, the Book of Mormon is another testament of Jesus Christ. It contains the writings of ancient prophets, giving an account of God’s dealings with the peoples on the American continent. For Latter-day Saints it stands alongside the Old and New Testaments of the Bible as holy scripture.

· Read more about the Book of Mormon

What is a Mormon temple?

Temples existed throughout Biblical times. These buildings were considered the house of the Lord (see 2 Chronicles 2:1-5). Latter-day Saint temples are likewise considered houses of the Lord by Church members.

To Latter-day Saints, temples are sacred buildings in which they are taught about the central role of Christ in God’s plan of salvation and their personal relationship with God.

In temples, members of the Church make covenants with God to live a virtuous and faithful life. They also offer sacraments on behalf of their deceased ancestors.

Mormon temples are also used to perform marriage ceremonies that promise the faithful eternal life with their families. For members of the Church family is of central importance.

· Learn more about why Mormons build temples

Do Latter-day Saints believe in modern-day prophets?

Yes. The Church is governed today by apostles, reflecting the way Jesus organized His Church in biblical times. Three apostles constitute the First Presidency (consisting of the president or prophet of the Church and his two counselors), and, together with the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles, they have responsibility for leading the Church worldwide and serving as special witnesses of the Lord Jesus Christ. Each is accepted by Church members in a prophetic role corresponding to the apostles in the Bible.

Do Latter-day Saints believe that the apostles receive revelations from God?

Yes. When Latter-day Saints speak to God, they call it prayer. When God responds through the influence of the Holy Spirit, members refer to this as revelation. Revelation, in its broad meaning, is divine guidance or inspiration; it is the communication of truth and knowledge from God to His children on earth, suited to their language and understanding. It simply means to uncover something not yet known. The Bible illustrates different types of revelation, ranging from dramatic visions to gentle feelings — from the “burning bush” to the “still, small voice.” Mormons generally believe that divine guidance comes quietly, taking the form of impressions, thoughts and feelings carried by the Spirit of God.

Most often, revelation unfolds as an ongoing, prayerful dialogue with God: A problem arises, its dimensions are studied out, a question is asked, and if we have sufficient faith, God leads us to answers, either partial or full. Though ultimately a spiritual experience, revelation also requires careful thought. God does not simply hand down information. He expects us to figure things out through prayerful searching and sound thinking.

The First Presidency (consisting of the president or prophet of the Church and his two counselors) and members of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles receive inspiration to guide the Church as a whole. Individuals are also inspired with revelation regarding how to conduct their lives and help serve others.

· Learn more about revelation

Do Mormon women lead in the Church?

Yes. All women are daughters of a loving Heavenly Father. Women and men are equal in the sight of God. The Bible says, “There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus” (Galatians 3:28). In the family, a wife and a husband form an equal partnership in leading and raising a family.

From the beginning of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints women have played an integral role in the work of the Church. While worthy men hold the priesthood, worthy women serve as leaders, counselors, missionaries, teachers, and in many other responsibilities— they routinely preach from the pulpit and lead congregational prayers in worship services. They serve both in the Church and in their local communities and contribute to the world as leaders in a variety of professions. Their vital and unique contribution to raising children is considered an important responsibility and a special privilege of equal importance to priesthood responsibilities.

Do Latter-day Saints believe they can become “gods”?

Latter-day Saints believe that God wants us to become like Him. But this teaching is often misrepresented by those who caricature the faith. The Latter-day Saint belief is no different than the biblical teaching, which states, “The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: and if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together” (Romans 8:16-17). Through following Christ's teachings, Latter-day Saints believe all people can become "partakers of the divine nature" (2 Peter 1:4).

Do Latter-day Saints believe that they will “get their own planet”?

No. This idea is not taught in Latter-day Saint scripture, nor is it a doctrine of the Church. This misunderstanding stems from speculative comments unreflective of scriptural doctrine. Mormons believe that we are all sons and daughters of God and that all of us have the potential to grow during and after this life to become like our Heavenly Father (see Romans 8:16-17). The Church does not and has never purported to fully understand the specifics of Christ’s statement that “in my Father’s house are many mansions” (John 14:2).

Do some Latter-day Saints wear temple garments?

Yes. In our world of diverse religious observance, many people of faith wear special clothing as a reminder of sacred beliefs and commitments. This has been a common practice throughout history. Today, faithful adult members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints wear temple garments. These garments are simple, white underclothing composed of two pieces: a top piece similar to a T-shirt and a bottom piece similar to shorts. Not unlike the Jewish tallit katan (prayer shawl), these garments are worn underneath regular clothes. Temple garments serve as a personal reminder of covenants made with God to lead good, honorable, Christlike lives. The wearing of temple garments is an outward expression of an inward commitment to follow the Savior.

Biblical scripture contains many references to the wearing of special garments. In the Old Testament the Israelites are specifically instructed to turn their garments into personal reminders of their covenants with God (see Numbers 15:37-41). Indeed, for some, religious clothing has always been an important part of integrating worship with daily living. Such practices resonate with Latter-day Saints today.

Because of the personal and religious nature of the temple garment, the Church asks all media to report on the subject with respect, treating Latter-day Saint temple garments as they would religious vestments of other faiths. Ridiculing or making light of sacred clothing is highly offensive to Latter-day Saints.

Do Latter-day Saints practice polygamy?

No. There are more than 14 million members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and not one of them is a polygamist. The practice of polygamy is strictly prohibited in the Church. The general standard of marriage in the Church has always been monogamy, as indicated in the Book of Mormon (see Jacob 2:27). For periods in the Bible polygamy was practiced by the patriarchs Abraham and Jacob, as well as kings David and Solomon. It was again practiced by a minority of Latter-day Saints in the early years of the Church. Polygamy was officially discontinued in 1890 — 122 years ago. Those who practice polygamy today have nothing whatsoever to do with the Church.

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What is the position of the Church regarding race relations?

The gospel of Jesus Christ is for everyone. The Book of Mormon states, “Black and white, bond and free, male and female; … all are alike unto God” (2 Nephi 26:33). This is the Church’s official teaching.

People of all races have always been welcomed and baptized into the Church since its beginning. In fact, by the end of his life in 1844 Joseph Smith, the founding prophet of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, opposed slavery. During this time some black males were ordained to the priesthood. At some point the Church stopped ordaining male members of African descent, although there were a few exceptions. It is not known precisely why, how or when this restriction began in the Church, but it has ended. Church leaders sought divine guidance regarding the issue and more than three decades ago extended the priesthood to all worthy male members. The Church immediately began ordaining members to priesthood offices wherever they attended throughout the world.

The Church unequivocally condemns racism, including any and all past racism by individuals both inside and outside the Church. In 2006, then Church president Gordon B. Hinckley declared that “no man who makes disparaging remarks concerning those of another race can consider himself a true disciple of Christ. Nor can he consider himself to be in harmony with the teachings of the Church. Let us all recognize that each of us is a son or daughter of our Father in Heaven, who loves all of His children.”

Do Mormons believe that the Garden of Eden is in Missouri?

We do not know exactly where the original site of the Garden of Eden is. While not an important or foundational doctrine, Joseph Smith established a settlement in Daviess County, Missouri, and taught that the Garden of Eden was somewhere in that area. Like knowing the precise number of animals on Noah’s ark, knowing the precise location of the Garden of Eden is far less important to one’s salvation than believing in the Atonement of Jesus Christ.

Why do you “baptize for the dead”?

Jesus Christ taught that “except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God” (John 3:5). For those who have passed on without the ordinance of baptism, proxy baptism for the deceased is a free will offering. According to Church doctrine, a departed soul in the afterlife is completely free to accept or reject such a baptism — the offering is freely given and must be freely received. The ordinance does not force deceased persons to become members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints or “Mormons,” nor does the Church list deceased persons as members of the Church. In short, there is no change in the religion or heritage of the recipient or of the recipient's descendants — the notion of coerced conversion is utterly contrary to Church doctrine.

Of course, proxy baptism for the deceased is nothing new. It was mentioned by Paul in the New Testament (see 1 Corinthians 15:29) and was practiced by groups of early Christians. As part of a restoration of New Testament Christianity, Latter-day Saints continue this practice. All Church members are instructed to submit names for proxy baptism only for their own deceased relatives as an offering of familial love.

· Read more on this subject here

Why does the Church send out missionaries?

The missionary effort of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is based on the New Testament pattern of missionaries serving in pairs, teaching the gospel and baptizing believers in the name of Jesus Christ (see, for example, the work of Peter and John in the book of Acts). More than 52,000 missionaries, most of whom are under the age of 25, are serving missions for the Church at any one time. Missionary work is voluntary, with most missionaries funding their own missions. They receive their assignment from Church headquarters and are sent only to countries where governments allow the Church to operate. In some parts of the world, missionaries are sent only to serve humanitarian or other specialized missions.

Why don’t Mormons smoke or drink alcohol?

The health code for Latter-day Saints is based on a teaching regarding foods that are healthy and substances that are not good for the human body. Accordingly, alcohol, tobacco, tea, coffee and illegal drugs are forbidden. A 14-year UCLA study, completed in 1997, tracked mortality rates and health practices of 10,000 members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in California, indicating that Church members who adhered to the health code had one of the lowest death rates from cancer and cardiovascular disease in the United States. It also found that Church members who followed the code had a life expectancy eight to 11 years longer than the general white population of the United States.

 

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4. Why Mormons do not believe in Trinity
Tue May 8, 2012, 03:45 PM
May 2012

Why Mormons do not believe in Trinity- The word Trinity does not appear in the Bible. And many of its conclusions are not biblical.
Gnostic Christians who were deemed apostate by some branches of Christianity as it formed after the death of the Apostles believed that matter was evil this idea crept into the formulation of the Nicene Creed.
Gnostics believed God was a transcendent being and if Christ was equal to the Father then he had to be transcendent also. Thus they were of the same substance. Hence they inserted the doctrine and beliefs into Christian doctrine. How did Christ come to earth and take physical body and remain transcendent? This is where the creed becomes difficult to say it came from the Bible.
Gnostic doctrines were eventually determined apostate and John earlier spoke against them in his last 3 works.
Christ and his Apostles never taught the Nicene Creed, it was formed by a council of bishops and other leaders but not with apostolic authority. It was convened by a murderous pagan named Constantine who had absolutely no authority to assemble it. Constantine did his part to form the creed.
This was all done after revelation had ceased and 300 years after the death of Christ. The Bible was not even a completely assembled book at the time. Since creeds formulation there have been many versions of it; each church revising it to fit their particular structure of belief. A Catholic encyclopedia notes that Trinitarianism doesn’t really appear until the last 25 years of the 4th century:
The 3rd ecumenical council declared it unlawful to change the creed. Protestants did that. How can they explain the right to change it? At what point did they stop accepting Catholic doctrine?
On top of all this there are many New Testament scripture that do not support the NC. To mention a few; Acts 7:55-56; Matt. 3:16; Rom. 1:20; John 17:3; Rom. 1:20; act 1:11; John 17:21-22; John 20:17; Heb. 1:8-9.
Mormons are called non Christian because we don’t accept the doctrine of the Trinity as found in the Nicene Creed, we will not call you non Christian because you do. Quit the name calling. We believe in Christ with all our hearts.

 

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5. Christianity: Following Jesus in Word and Deed
Tue May 8, 2012, 03:47 PM
May 2012


Christianity: Following Jesus in Word and Deed

Anyone familiar with the history of Christianity knows that it has been quite a complicated matter. The word “Christian” was first used during New Testament times (see Acts 11:26) to describe the disciples who accepted the message and redemption of Jesus Christ. Now after two millennia, Christianity has weathered centuries of change and experienced periods of growth, persecution, reformation, schism, globalization and more. While inspiring believers of every race and nationality, Christianity has taken a multitude of forms and advanced a diversity of doctrines. As a result, questions about who should be called a Christian and who should not continue to be discussed by some within the religious world.

"Go Ye Therefore, and Teach All Nations" by Harry Anderson© 2011 Intellectual Reserve, Inc. All rights reserved

Religious beliefs are no light matter, and it’s only right that they are taken seriously. Yet, earnest and well-meaning interlocutors have sometimes, in the words of the president of Fuller Seminary, Richard J. Mouw, “talked past each other,” due to their differing doctrinal lenses.

For some in the Christian tradition, an individual’s Christianity is defined primarily by theological boundaries. Accordingly, one must adhere to a theological tradition stemming from formalized creeds or statements of belief (such as the Nicene Creed and the Chalcedonian formulation) composed several centuries after Jesus Christ died and the New Testament was written.

There are differences between the post-biblical creeds and the teachings of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Most notably, Latter-day Saints believe God the Father, Jesus Christ and the Holy Ghost are one in will and purpose, but are not literally one being, as the creedal conceptions of the Holy Trinity suggest. Also, members of the Church believe in living “apostles and prophets” (Ephesians 2:20) and a more open canon of scripture, which includes both the Old and New Testaments of the Bible and the Book of Mormon as another testament of Jesus Christ.

To describe The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as a non-Christian church to any audience spreads a misconception that there is something other than Jesus Christ at the heart of the Mormon faith.

For Latter-day Saints, Jesus Christ is the Savior of all people, the divine Son of God. He is the same Jesus Christ of the New Testament, who taught about faith and about love for God and mankind. Jesus Christ — not Moses, Paul or Joseph Smith — is the object of Mormons’ devotion and worship. As the Prophet Joseph Smith himself taught, “The fundamental principles of our religion are … concerning Jesus Christ, that He died, was buried, and rose again the third day, and ascended into heaven; and all other things which pertain to our religion are only appendages to it.”

This is indeed the daily reality for Latter-day Saints. Jesus Christ is perpetually front and center in the lives of practicing members of the faith. Whenever Mormons pray to God, for instance, they do so in the name of Jesus Christ. Baptism by immersion, according to the symbolism of Jesus Christ’s death and resurrection, marks a person’s entrance into the faith. The sacrament (what other Christian traditions call communion) is administered weekly in Sunday services for members to reflect on the mercy of Jesus Christ. When Latter-day Saints seek forgiveness, they do so through Jesus Christ’s atoning sacrifice. They serve the poor and needy and give of their time and money to numerous humanitarian aid efforts in order to follow Christ’s teachings. Images of Christ adorn the faith’s meetinghouses and temples. Church leaders and members testify of Jesus Christ’s reality and divinity. The Son of God appears in the Church’s official name: “The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.” While some outsiders know Latter-day Saints as Mormons, members know themselves as part of Christ’s Church.

At their best, Latter-day Saints’ behavior, speech, thoughts and identity all reflect Christ and His teachings. If you ask a member what it means to belong to the Church, he or she will tell you that most fundamentally it means to believe in Jesus as the Savior of the world and to follow Him.

For Latter-day Saints, being a Christian means being a disciple of Jesus Christ, loving and worshiping Him above all. It means prizing Christ and centering one’s life on His teachings from the New Testament. It means striving to live the kind of life that Christ commanded, honoring Him in word and deed. This is the meaning of a Christian, and there is no doubt that Latter-day Saints — who pattern their lives after all of these things — belong to Christ’s fold.

To learn more about how Latter-day Saints worship Jesus Christ, read the Church’s official statement on the Savior, titled “The Living Christ: The Testimony of the Apostles.”
 

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6. The Living Christ: The Testimony of the Apostles
Tue May 8, 2012, 03:50 PM
May 2012

The Living Christ: The Testimony of the Apostles

As we commemorate the birth of Jesus Christ two millennia ago, we offer our testimony of the reality of His matchless life and the infinite virtue of His great atoning sacrifice. None other has had so profound an influence upon all who have lived and will yet live upon the earth.

He was the Great Jehovah of the Old Testament, the Messiah of the New. Under the direction of His Father, He was the creator of the earth. “All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made” (John 1:3). Though sinless, He was baptized to fulfill all righteousness. He “went about doing good” (Acts 10:38), yet was despised for it. His gospel was a message of peace and goodwill. He entreated all to follow His example. He walked the roads of Palestine, healing the sick, causing the blind to see, and raising the dead. He taught the truths of eternity, the reality of our premortal existence, the purpose of our life on earth, and the potential for the sons and daughters of God in the life to come.

He instituted the sacrament as a reminder of His great atoning sacrifice. He was arrested and condemned on spurious charges, convicted to satisfy a mob, and sentenced to die on Calvary’s cross. He gave His life to atone for the sins of all mankind. His was a great vicarious gift in behalf of all who would ever live upon the earth.

We solemnly testify that His life, which is central to all human history, neither began in Bethlehem nor concluded on Calvary. He was the Firstborn of the Father, the Only Begotten Son in the flesh, the Redeemer of the world.

He rose from the grave to “become the firstfruits of them that slept” (1 Corinthians 15:20). As Risen Lord, He visited among those He had loved in life. He also ministered among His “other sheep” (John 10:16) in ancient America. In the modern world, He and His Father appeared to the boy Joseph Smith, ushering in the long-promised “dispensation of the fulness of times” (Ephesians 1:10).

Of the Living Christ, the Prophet Joseph wrote: “His eyes were as a flame of fire; the hair of his head was white like the pure snow; his countenance shone above the brightness of the sun; and his voice was as the sound of the rushing of great waters, even the voice of Jehovah, saying:

“I am the first and the last; I am he who liveth, I am he who was slain; I am your advocate with the Father” (D&C 110:3–4).

Of Him the Prophet also declared: “And now, after the many testimonies which have been given of him, this is the testimony, last of all, which we give of him: That he lives!

“For we saw him, even on the right hand of God; and we heard the voice bearing record that he is the Only Begotten of the Father—

“That by him, and through him, and of him, the worlds are and were created, and the inhabitants thereof are begotten sons and daughters unto God” (D&C 76:22–24).

We declare in words of solemnity that His priesthood and His Church have been restored upon the earth—“built upon the foundation of … apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone” (Ephesians 2:20).

We testify that He will someday return to earth. “And the glory of the Lord shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together” (Isaiah 40:5). He will rule as King of Kings and reign as Lord of Lords, and every knee shall bend and every tongue shall speak in worship before Him. Each of us will stand to be judged of Him according to our works and the desires of our hearts.

We bear testimony, as His duly ordained Apostles—that Jesus is the Living Christ, the immortal Son of God. He is the great King Immanuel, who stands today on the right hand of His Father. He is the light, the life, and the hope of the world. His way is the path that leads to happiness in this life and eternal life in the world to come. God be thanked for the matchless gift of His divine Son.

Signed by the quorum of the 12 Apostles of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints

 

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7. Old Arguments
Tue May 8, 2012, 05:18 PM
May 2012

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This is a perfect example of the Mormon Church and Its Billions of dollars. I posted a post and In no time, through their dedicated internet defense system they are here to refute basic Christian teachings. I will not engage in pseudo intellectual argument with members of this non christian cult. I am not Mister Brown. ( A textbook at BUY that taught Mormon missionaries how to argue with, and convert Christians) . I will , however invite others to share their experience with the Mormon Church.

Here are some links that will help the average Christian bolster their convictions. Regardless of the million dollar advertising and propaganda battle the Mormon church will engage in, they remain a well funded a cult that has taken traditional Christianity and its vernacular and created an institution that is a fraud.

The Bible stands on its own and is the only statement to mankind made by a loving and just God. Christians need to arm themselves with the armor of God. The armor of truth. Spend a little time investigating the history, claims, and beliefs of the Mormon church and you will see that their Bible, The book of Mormon ,to be politically correct,they have expunged many passages to make it more palatable to today society. Gods word does not change, my God does not change his mind. Apparently their god does.

The book of Mormon is based on a novel by Salomon Spaulding that was written prior to Joseph Smith ( aka " Money Digger&quot deciding he would found a religion to exploit the masses.

More to come.


http://www.exmormonsforjesus.org/

http://www.godandscience.org/cults/mormtest.html

http://tsbalan.com/books/Kingdonofcults.pdf

The real author of the Book of Mormon
http://solomonspalding.info/

From an offspring of Brigham Young
http://www.utlm.org/navaboutus.htm

joelcannon

(1 post)
8. Hoax Alert
Tue May 8, 2012, 07:13 PM
May 2012

Max,

Your story reads like a hoax. Everything you say sounds like a rehash of an anti-mormon pamphlet. Mormon's don't believe, teach or even talk about the things you mention. It is all bogus. If you are sincere, then somehow you lost touch with reality. If you want to know what Mormons really believe - then go to LDS.org. The version you tell is all twisted and distorted. Something must have pushed you over the edge....

I can understand that you are liberal and probably a Democrat, and hope to convince people to your viewpoint, but you don't have to resort to distortions to make your point..

As for ReadtheBofM hijacking your comments - I think he behaviour is obnoxious (and I apologize for him). But is makes you sound like a kook when you present it as evidence that the Mormon Church is out to get you. If you are convinced that all Mormon's are cult members, and you will not engage in a discourse, then this might explain your total lack of respect or understanding.

hootinholler

(26,449 posts)
9. Welcome to DU
Tue May 8, 2012, 08:26 PM
May 2012

I just wanted to mention that both of the posters you refer to have been shown the door.

13. What Mormons Really Believe on LDS.org
Tue May 8, 2012, 09:38 PM
May 2012

joecannon,

I encourage you to take an honest look at the history and origins of the LDS, and the early prophets and their prophecies. Never has the idea that there is more than one eternal God, Creator of the entire universe, or that the Heavenly Father had a god over Him, ever been considered Christian.

“Mormon's don't believe, teach or even talk about the things you mention.” Which Mormons are you talking about – 19th, 20th, or 21st century Mormons? Every teaching Max wrote about can be documented from Mormon writings throughout LDS history. Many are still being taught on LDS.org. I guess the others have been “scrubbed”. A few are listed below (if you are truly interested):

Mormons teach there are many gods and there were an untold number of gods before the Heavenly Father became a god.
LDS.org : "Long before our God began his creations, he dwelt on a mortal world like ours, one of the creations that his Father had created for him and his brethren. He, with many of his brethren, was obedient to the principles of the eternal gospel. One among these, it is presumed, was a savior for them, and through him they obtained a resurrection and an exaltation on an eternal, celestial world. Then they gained the power and godhood of their Father and were made heirs of all that he had, continuing his works and creating worlds of their own for their own posterity—the same as their Father had done before, and his Father, and his Father, and on and on. " http://lds.org/new-era/1971/04/people-on-other-worlds?lang=eng

Mormons teach that the Heavenly Father once was a man and somehow became a god. LDS.org: “The doctrine that God was once a man and has progressed to become a God is unique to this Church. How do you feel, knowing that God, through His own experience, “knows all that we know regarding the toils [and] sufferings” of mortality?”
http://www.lds.org/manual/teachings-brigham-young/chapter-4?lang=eng

Mormons teach that Jesus and Satan are brothers.
LDS.org: “On first hearing, the doctrine that Lucifer and our Lord, Jesus Christ, are brothers may seem surprising to some—especially to those unacquainted with latter-day revelations. But both the scriptures and the prophets affirm that Jesus Christ and Lucifer are indeed offspring of our Heavenly Father and, therefore, spirit brothers. Jesus Christ was with the Father from the beginning. Lucifer, too, was an angel “who was in authority in the presence of God,” a “son of the morning.” (See Isa. 14:12; D&C 76:25–27.) Both Jesus and Lucifer were strong leaders with great knowledge and influence. But as the Firstborn of the Father, Jesus was Lucifer’s older brother. (See Col. 1:15; D&C 93:21.)”
http://lds.org/ensign/1986/06/i-have-a-question/i-have-a-question?lang=eng

Mormons teach that all of us are spirit children of Heavenly Parents. They birthed us somehow, possibly sexually.
LDS.org: There are forces that work beyond our sight. Sometimes we think the whole job is up to us, forgetful that there are loved ones beyond our sight who are thinking about us and our children. We forget that we have a Heavenly Father and a Heavenly Mother who are even more concerned, probably, than our earthly father and mother, and that influences from beyond are constantly working to try to help us when we do all we can. http://lds.org/ensign/1974/02/a-sure-trumpet-sound-quotations-from-president-lee?lang=eng
Before there was a sun, a moon, or even ground to sit on, we all lived in heaven with our heavenly parents. We were their spirit children, and we didn’t have physical bodies yet. http://lds.org/liahona/2010/01/jehovah-and-the-wonderful-plan-of-our-heavenly-father?lang=eng

Mormons teach that mankind can progress and become gods just like our heavenly parents, the same way they became gods.
LDS.org: “In the heavens, before the earth was formed, the plan of this earth life was explained to all of us. We were then but spirit offspring of our Father and Mother in heaven.
We all learned then that through this earth life experience we would have the opportunity of going through the same type of experiences they had done and so become as they are.”
http://lds.org/ensign/1974/01/opposition-in-order-to-strengthen-us?lang=eng

You use the words “hoax”, “twisted”, and “distorted” in describing Max’s understanding of Mormon teachings, yet, everything can be documented. In actuality, the “hoax” was perpetrated by Joseph Smith and the LDS prophets who succeeded him, by perverting the Biblical gospel. You are welcome to believe it, but the Mormon Heavenly Father and Mormon Jesus is different from the Biblical Heavenly Father and Biblical Jesus.


 

Dandini

(16 posts)
10. lack of historical and academic research says it all
Tue May 8, 2012, 09:11 PM
May 2012

AZMAX - your sources are at best questionable, and at most - definitely have an agenda... don't you get tired of all the lack of good honest research that is promoted around here??? Just to attack another's faith...

 

Dandini

(16 posts)
11. Maybe one should look around and learn
Tue May 8, 2012, 09:25 PM
May 2012

As people actually learn more of the truth, more of the the truth is recognized...

Los Angeles Times, November 20, 2011
Fuller Theological Seminary (largest evangelical graduate theological school in the world) President Richard J. Mouw,
“…I have studied and taught about cults for many years. I have also spent the last dozen years meeting with Mormons — scholars and church leaders — to engage in lengthy theological discussions. These dialogues have included several other prominent evangelical Christian leaders… Based on these conversations and my own careful study, I do not believe Mormonism is a cult… I have also learned that in some matters we are not quite as far apart as I once thought… I find Mormons to be more Christ-centered… that are worthy of the Christian label...”


Joel Osteen, pastor of “America’s largest church,” was speaking to The Washington Times (10-24-11) in an interview that covered a variety of issues, stated, “I believe that "Mormons" are Christians... I don’t know if it’s the purest form of Christianity, like I grew up with. But you know what, I know Mormons...


Franklin Graham, the son of prominent evangelist Billy Graham, states: "…I'm just saying most Christians would not recognize Mormonism," Graham said. "Of course, they believe in Jesus Christ, but they have a lot of other things they believe in too that we don't accept theologically… But the question is: What is a Christian? And a Christian is a person that believes Jesus Christ is God's son who died on a cross for our sins who God raised to life. And that if we put our faith and trust in him, then God will forgive us of our sins. Now, that's the definition of a Christian... [which is taught and believed in 'mormonism']” – MSNBC’s Morning Joe, Tue Feb 21, 2012


Dr. Norman Vincent Peale (May 31, 1898 – December 24, 1993 - the Rev. Billy Graham said at the National Council of Churches on June 12, 1966 that "I don't know of anyone who had done more for the kingdom of God than Norman and Ruth Peale or have meant any more in my life for the encouragement they have given me.”) was a Protestant preacher, author of ‘The Power of Positive Thinking’, a radio program, "The Art of Living," in 1935, which lasted for 54 years, and a founder and editor of Guideposts. He was the keynote speaker at Mormon President Spencer W. Kimball's 85th birthday celebration in 1980. He called the Mormon leaders, "men of God who are doing God's work - by their fruits ye shall know them.” Because Kimball was "so deeply spiritual," Peale asked him (Spencer Kimball) to give him (Dr. Peale) a blessing.


 

Dandini

(16 posts)
12. Listen to the Gospel and learn
Tue May 8, 2012, 09:34 PM
May 2012

"...by their fruits ye shall know them..." (Matt 7:20), and, “…for whoever is not against us is for us…” (Mark 9:40)

National Study of Youth and Religion, 2005, UNC, Chapel Hill (U.S. Adolescents Ages 13-17) -- The Study found that Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS) youth were more likely to exhibit Christian characteristics than Evangelicals (the next most observant group)

A national 2010 Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life survey aimed to test a broad range of religious knowledge, including understanding of the Bible, core teachings of different faiths and major figures in religious history: on questions about Christianity and the Bible, Mormons scored the highest. They also scored second only to Jews in knowledge of Judaism. [Overall, Mormons understand their own doctrines and the Bible better than other Christian denominations.]

2012, the Pew Research Center's Forum on Religion & Public Life released a groundbreaking new survey, the first ever published by a non-LDS research organization to focus exclusively on members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and their beliefs, values, perceptions and political preferences... Entitled "Mormons in America..." In terms of religious beliefs and practices, the survey makes it clear that Mormons are highly religious — "...Mormons exhibit higher levels of religious commitment than many other religious groups, including white evangelical Protestants... Looking at basic, core religious beliefs, 98 percent say they believe in the resurrection of Jesus Christ… previous surveys have clearly established LDS agreement with certain key Christian doctrines — 90 percent of Mormons believe in God, 91 percent believe the Bible is the word of God and 98 percent believe in life after death…

2012 – A new study from researchers at the University of Pennsylvania and Indiana University- Latter-day Saints “volunteer and donate significantly more than the average American and are even more generous in time and money than the upper quintile of religious people in America… When it comes to the time they spend volunteering, the average adult American LDS member contributes as much as seven times more than that of the average American. The published findings further indicate that these “prosocial behaviors” are reflective of Latter-day Saint teachings, which emphasize Christian service and charity to others.


“American Grace: How Religion Divides and Unites Us” (New York: Simon and Schuster, 2010), a sociological study conducted by scholars Robert D. Putnam (Ph.D.), and David E. Campbell (Ph.D.)

Among the study’s findings related to Latter-day Saints are the following:

• Mormons are among the most devout religious groups in the country. (American Grace, 23-24)

• Mormons are among those most likely to keep their childhood faith as adults. (137-138)

• Mormons are unusually giving - Collectively Mormons are among the most charitable of Americans with their means and time, both in religious and nonreligious causes. (452)

• Mormons are among those most friendly toward those of other faiths, including those outside of Christianity. (505-508)

• Mormons are among the most likely to believe that one true religion exists, but are also the most convinced of any group that those outside their faith can “go to heaven” or gain salvation. (535-537 & 546)

xmas74

(29,676 posts)
14. The Mormons I know
Tue May 8, 2012, 11:34 PM
May 2012

consider themselves to be Christians.

This thread is inappropriate, especially with the references to this faith being a "cult". All are welcome to post here and this post could make some feel very uncomfortable.

If you want to try your luck at posting this in another group, be my guest. As it is, it will not stand here.

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