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My God, this is beautiful! (Original Post) LongTomH Nov 2012 OP
It's not how we'd see it with our eyes, though. nt mr_hat Nov 2012 #1
derp AlecBGreen Nov 2012 #14
It's how we see with the eyes we sent out there tavalon Nov 2012 #15
+100 LukeFL Nov 2012 #38
there is always that one person in every thread SemperEadem Nov 2012 #16
It's not how we'd see it with our eyes, though. AlbertCat Nov 2012 #36
Too dim D Gary Grady Nov 2012 #55
Derp II GeorgeGist Nov 2012 #56
I guess to some, science is just too boring D Gary Grady Nov 2012 #57
Oh fuck! Please tell me how to imbed that in an email! OffWithTheirHeads Nov 2012 #82
I'm sure the original poster wasn't being a downer, just informative. AlbertCat Nov 2012 #58
Actually, it would be diim even if you were close D Gary Grady Nov 2012 #61
+1 shireen Nov 2012 #63
Thanks for the good explanation....really fascinating. pangaia Nov 2012 #65
pangaia Diclotican Nov 2012 #80
I was in my 30s and teaching at Ithaca College. pangaia Nov 2012 #83
pangaia Diclotican Nov 2012 #84
you did great, Grady bigtree Nov 2012 #73
Thanks, Grady! That was really interesting. loudsue Nov 2012 #75
Are you from the Cat in the Hat? You sound like it! Auntie Bush Nov 2012 #39
No offense intended GiveMeFreedom Nov 2012 #69
So what? The same can be said about most mundane earthly photographs too. -nt Bradical79 Dec 2012 #86
It's hard to believe it's real. Completely awesome. Thanks. snagglepuss Nov 2012 #2
That's just gorgeous. Thanks! n/t CrazyOrangeCat Nov 2012 #3
My God! It's full of stars........ TheDebbieDee Nov 2012 #4
Open the pod bay doors, Hal. WinstonSmith4740 Nov 2012 #6
Just as I was going to say sakabatou Nov 2012 #60
Thanks for Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #5
WOW!! momsrule Nov 2012 #7
Stunning spinbaby Nov 2012 #8
Which one is the Blue Fairy? Kablooie Nov 2012 #9
and another wonderful thing about these nebulae... renate Nov 2012 #10
They are many light-years across AlbertCat Nov 2012 #37
OMG! pangaia Nov 2012 #66
Is it possible that we are inside a nebulae but don't know it? snagglepuss Nov 2012 #49
No - we'd be able to detect the dust. (and there'd be a lot fewer stars we could see) (nt) jeff47 Nov 2012 #50
Thanks. snagglepuss Nov 2012 #51
Hey... CoboWowbo Nov 2012 #11
I'll bet you can't see Russia from there. nt valerief Nov 2012 #12
re:My God, this is beautiful! allan01 Nov 2012 #13
thanks LongTomH pipewrench Nov 2012 #17
Oh sure, it looks beautiful right up to the point Flying Squirrel Nov 2012 #18
Stunningly beautiful...thanks for posting, LongTom. Surya Gayatri Nov 2012 #19
So, Dad-unit, I borrowed your spaceship and . . . I kinda lost control and it sorta blew up . . . tclambert Nov 2012 #20
Looks like the universe is giving us the finger... Javaman Nov 2012 #21
Or pointing us in the right direction demwing Nov 2012 #24
Which direction is that? "over there" Javaman Nov 2012 #46
second star to the right demwing Nov 2012 #47
an "Open Cluster".... Mustellus Nov 2012 #22
What exactly is a 'cloud" in this case? pangaia Nov 2012 #67
I see a vagina.. WCGreen Nov 2012 #23
Perv demwing Nov 2012 #25
Anybody else see the biblical looking figure emerging from the right of the pointy cloud? SleeplessinSoCal Nov 2012 #26
Moses with his staff? nt mattvermont Nov 2012 #29
I cropped it SleeplessinSoCal Nov 2012 #40
Yep - and someone kneeling, praying? up to the left right under the pointy part Tigress DEM Nov 2012 #42
I see two howling dogs and the hermit from Tarot cards n/t luvspeas Nov 2012 #52
Looks like a witch on a broomstick to me. FlaGranny Nov 2012 #54
Isn't that one of Godzilla's foes? JHB Nov 2012 #64
Oh no! Now you've created a Religious Right meme! LongTomH Nov 2012 #43
Didn't mean to. But I saw it right away and couldn't shake the vision. SleeplessinSoCal Nov 2012 #45
So amazing earthbot1 Nov 2012 #27
Wow!!! haikugal Nov 2012 #28
Yes indeed! Do a search for "astronomy posters" D Gary Grady Nov 2012 #70
Yes it is! burrowowl Nov 2012 #30
I see a hiker, or just a guy, sitting on the right side of the mountain. xfundy Nov 2012 #31
"I'm not a scientist, man." demwing Nov 2012 #48
Down the foggy ruins of time to the gates of creation...awesome...just awesome. 1620rock Nov 2012 #32
That is the most beautiful photograph, many thanks.. nenagh Nov 2012 #33
Goodness! What an Awesome Sight that is Cha Nov 2012 #34
My Universe...it is beautiful. (NT) DreamGypsy Nov 2012 #35
makes certain things seem insignificant sigmasix Nov 2012 #41
There are larger images, including wallpaper size at the Hubble site. LongTomH Nov 2012 #44
I made it my desktop photo.. pangaia Nov 2012 #68
Seven Sisters / Pleiades - K&R DeSwiss Nov 2012 #53
Staring at all of those suns made me sneeze. chknltl Nov 2012 #59
"The Cathedral to Massive Stars" - WOW!!!! calimary Nov 2012 #62
I just found Heathen57 Nov 2012 #71
Oh Thank You! Jasana Nov 2012 #72
All I ask is a tall ship... AsahinaKimi Nov 2012 #74
Indeed. WheelWalker Nov 2012 #77
Absolutely stunning. Dare I say... Beartracks Nov 2012 #76
Judging from the Doc Holliday Nov 2012 #78
Does God know about this? nikto Nov 2012 #79
LongTomH Diclotican Nov 2012 #81
If Only Republicans Could Appreciate This Majesty And Become More Humble cantbeserious Nov 2012 #85

SemperEadem

(8,053 posts)
16. there is always that one person in every thread
Mon Nov 19, 2012, 10:23 PM
Nov 2012

who has to bring the party down.

NO DUH IT'S NOT HOW WE'D SEE IT WITH OUR EYES! Gee, Captain Obvious, we never thought of that.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
36. It's not how we'd see it with our eyes, though.
Mon Nov 19, 2012, 11:55 PM
Nov 2012

Why do you say that? It's a Hubble pic of the visible spectrum, not a composite of xray or ultraviolet or gamma ray images given false color. It's just the light that fell on the Hubble mirror. So if we could get close enough, we would see it with our eyes just like this.

D Gary Grady

(133 posts)
55. Too dim
Tue Nov 20, 2012, 03:17 PM
Nov 2012

The problem isn't our location but our eyes' sensitivity to light. On the next clear night go out and look at the constellation Orion. It's full of glorious nebulae plenty big enough to see with our eyes, but you need at least binoculars or a small telescope to see how glorious they look, not because of magnification but to gather more light. (And to see them in all their glory you really need a time exposure.) Or look at Andromeda on the side toward Pegasus: The great Andromeda Galaxy is five times the width of the full moon, but all we can see with our eyes is a dim impression of the central bulge. For that matter, in most cities the milky way is too dim to see, but go someplace dark with a camera, a tripod, and a wide-angle lens, and shoot a time exposure. Wow! I'm sure the original poster wasn't being a downer, just informative.

D Gary Grady

(133 posts)
57. I guess to some, science is just too boring
Tue Nov 20, 2012, 04:19 PM
Nov 2012

But some of us like to celebrate how our knowledge lets us go beyond what would otherwise be our limitations to see all that wondrous beauty. In fact, we're right now building instruments to see even more of nature's grandeur. But hey, George, if you think that's booooring, that's OK!

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
58. I'm sure the original poster wasn't being a downer, just informative.
Tue Nov 20, 2012, 04:25 PM
Nov 2012

They never said anything about seeing it from earth. I mean, I know it's too dim to see with the naked eye from Earth..I'm not that dim.

But if you were in the right place... it would look like this, with your eyes.

D Gary Grady

(133 posts)
61. Actually, it would be diim even if you were close
Tue Nov 20, 2012, 05:30 PM
Nov 2012

Extended objects such as nebulae don't look dimmer because they're farther away. There's less total light, but it's concentrated on a smaller area of the retina, and the two effects exactly cancel out. I'll try to find time to post a detailed explanation on my blog (the address is my name with .com on the end and the spaces squeezed out) by tomorrow, in case anybody cares.

From Earth, this nebula (NGC 6357) fills a piece of our sky several times as large as the full moon. There are other nebulae even larger from our point of view, and I've long lamented that we don't have lemur eyes to better appreciate them. This photograph is beautiful because it's a time exposure captured with a large-objective telescope; our scientific instruments extend our ability to appreciate nature's glorious beauty, and I don't see how that's a downer for anybody!

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
65. Thanks for the good explanation....really fascinating.
Tue Nov 20, 2012, 07:18 PM
Nov 2012

Many years ago I spent not enough evenings with Carl Sagan and a few others hangin' in a Japanese Restaurant in Ithaca.. just listening.. listening... what a joy that was.

Diclotican

(5,095 posts)
80. pangaia
Sun Nov 25, 2012, 02:38 AM
Nov 2012

pangaia

I evy you to have had the possibility to be together with Carl Sagan.. He was a great astronomer - and a man who also could explain some of the mysteries of the stars - to a 8 year old child with a fascination for the stars... I also saw the Cosmos series who I had to beg and beg to be allowed to se - as I was just 8 and the series was aired late, often on a school night... My fasination for all things in the universe I belive started with Cosmos (the book) and the series - and even though Im little less interesting in the stars today than I was when I was 8 - Im still interested in the stars - and I for one envy the ones who in the future wil be able to travel to the stars - and look at the all for themself... We are just standing at the shores - and looking out of the universe, wondering what is out there - to paraphrase Carl Sagan...

It just must have been a joy to be able to listen to that man for hours at the time.. I hope he was a interesting man to listen to...

Diclotican

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
83. I was in my 30s and teaching at Ithaca College.
Sun Nov 25, 2012, 01:03 PM
Nov 2012

Also a little at Cornell.

I was friends with the owner and family of the restaurant and hung out there a lot in the evenings..washed rice, dishes to help out sometimes, learning to cook Japanese cuisine, make sushi, baby---sat his kids, and drank a LOT of sake !
Sometimes Carl would come in for dinner, and he, the owner, other friends and I would just hang until the wee hours and close the place...usually when the owner was under the table.

Yes, Sagan was a special person...I was really lucky..

Diclotican

(5,095 posts)
84. pangaia
Sun Nov 25, 2012, 03:05 PM
Nov 2012

pangaia

Interesting.. Both that you helped out a little - was drinking a lot of sake .. And sometimes you even got Carl Sagan into the restaurant for some dinner - and that it was no set closing hours - so you could just sit there and hang out to the wee hours now and then...

Yeah - it is often time to close when the owner was under the table - the show is often closed when that happened .. But often you can have a lot of fun in the meantime..

You was lucky - he was one of the persons I would just have loved to get to know - if just for a little while talking to him.. He was one of my "heroes" when I was little - and I think I was reading most of his books - when kids my own age still was reading everything else than that stuff... Yeah I know I was, and maybe still is little nerdy

Diocletian

GiveMeFreedom

(976 posts)
69. No offense intended
Tue Nov 20, 2012, 08:12 PM
Nov 2012

I see the photo just fine. Thank god. If I had to use my imagination, to visualize in my mind's eye, what astronomers try to explain to lay man, my universe would look like the inside of my closet, dark and small.

spinbaby

(15,090 posts)
8. Stunning
Mon Nov 19, 2012, 09:51 PM
Nov 2012

Makes a person realize just how small and insignificant we are, floating along on our little speck in the cosmos.

renate

(13,776 posts)
10. and another wonderful thing about these nebulae...
Mon Nov 19, 2012, 09:57 PM
Nov 2012

They are many light-years across--isn't that amazing? They aren't just solar-system sized--they are immense. Wouldn't it be amazing to see them from the inside?

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
37. They are many light-years across
Mon Nov 19, 2012, 11:59 PM
Nov 2012

And many light-years AWAY.

This is the way it looked 8150 years ago.

tclambert

(11,087 posts)
20. So, Dad-unit, I borrowed your spaceship and . . . I kinda lost control and it sorta blew up . . .
Mon Nov 19, 2012, 10:30 PM
Nov 2012

It wasn't my fault! My buddy Xantac distracted me. He was telling me how our other friend Prilosec did this stupid thing and it was really funny and I got to laughing so hard I had a seizure or something. Honest, Dad-unit.

Anyway, it made this really pretty nebula. . . .

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
24. Or pointing us in the right direction
Mon Nov 19, 2012, 10:46 PM
Nov 2012

Last edited Tue Nov 20, 2012, 10:25 AM - Edit history (1)

if you prefer to see the universe as benevolent

Mustellus

(328 posts)
22. an "Open Cluster"....
Mon Nov 19, 2012, 10:36 PM
Nov 2012

A newly formed batch of blue-white super giants begins to evaporate the cloud they formed in. The shock waves from their explosions as supernovas after their brief lifetimes will compress the cloud and cause the formation of lower mass, sun-like stars. At the bottom, a lone super giant ( O class star, probably ) has begun its own hole... The small dark knots may be near the critical density to begin collapse to form another solar system....

SleeplessinSoCal

(9,123 posts)
26. Anybody else see the biblical looking figure emerging from the right of the pointy cloud?
Mon Nov 19, 2012, 10:51 PM
Nov 2012

I can't not see it now.

Tigress DEM

(7,887 posts)
42. Yep - and someone kneeling, praying? up to the left right under the pointy part
Tue Nov 20, 2012, 01:09 AM
Nov 2012


When I looked really close it seems the upper left kneeling figure is sacrificing a pig. I know it's late and my eyes are goofy, but clouds always seem to have interesting details to me.



haikugal

(6,476 posts)
28. Wow!!!
Mon Nov 19, 2012, 10:53 PM
Nov 2012

What a beautiful picture. Does anyone know if it's possible to get a poster of a picture like this? Thanks for posting this for us...it's glorious and thought provoking.

D Gary Grady

(133 posts)
70. Yes indeed! Do a search for "astronomy posters"
Tue Nov 20, 2012, 08:16 PM
Nov 2012

You'll find plenty of them. Also check out the ads in magazines like Sky&Telescope, where you can also see remarkably beautiful photos shot by amateurs. If you have a camera that lets you shoot time exposures, you can capture some remarkable night sky images yourself, especially if you go somewhere dark. The Sky&Telescope website is http://sky.com.

xfundy

(5,105 posts)
31. I see a hiker, or just a guy, sitting on the right side of the mountain.
Mon Nov 19, 2012, 11:20 PM
Nov 2012

Or is it that kid from the Hobbit? In the Ice Storm, too, I can't recall his name.

And, not to put too fine a point on it (unintentional entendre), the rock point looks uncut.

Here's what I found mind blowing, several years ago-- if you get a pic of your inner eye from an optometrist, it really does look just like pics from space.

Evidence for god? Dunno.

Evidence for structure in our world, I would guess.

But I'm no scientist, man.

sigmasix

(794 posts)
41. makes certain things seem insignificant
Tue Nov 20, 2012, 12:43 AM
Nov 2012

I cant help but hear the "Universe Song" by Monty Python in my head every time I see one of these stunning pictures of the cosmos.


"Can we have your liver then?"

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
68. I made it my desktop photo..
Tue Nov 20, 2012, 07:45 PM
Nov 2012

but of course it doesn't fit. :&gt

I checked out the Hubble site. WOW!

Thank so much for your post....

calimary

(81,298 posts)
62. "The Cathedral to Massive Stars" - WOW!!!!
Tue Nov 20, 2012, 05:38 PM
Nov 2012

NGC 6357: Cathedral to Massive Stars. Just blows the mind. THANK YOU for posting this, LongTomH! Shared on Facebook!

Heathen57

(573 posts)
71. I just found
Tue Nov 20, 2012, 08:56 PM
Nov 2012

my newest Background for this laptop. Such beauty in deep space. If this was the only thing to come from NASA and all of the telescopes, it would be worth it to me.

Jasana

(490 posts)
72. Oh Thank You!
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 09:29 AM
Nov 2012

Thank you for posting that beautiful picture. I emailed it to some friends and now have the website bookmarked as a favorite. I wish I knew it had had existed before.

Doc Holliday

(719 posts)
78. Judging from the
Fri Nov 23, 2012, 12:31 PM
Nov 2012

various interpretations of this phenomenon by the readers here, perhaps it should be renamed the "Rorschach Nebula."

Awesome pic.

Diclotican

(5,095 posts)
81. LongTomH
Sun Nov 25, 2012, 02:40 AM
Nov 2012

LongTomH

The Universe I full of this wonders - who we for the time being is not able to travel to look up close up and personal... And this is just beautifully for sure.. Thank you for your picture.

Diclotican

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