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Related: About this forumVoyager 1 has left the solar system, sudden changes in cosmic rays indicate
20 March 2013
AGU Release No. 13-11
For Immediate Release
WASHINGTON Thirty-five years after its launch, Voyager 1 appears to have travelled beyond the influence of the Sun and exited the heliosphere, according to a new study appearing online today.
The heliosphere is a region of space dominated by the Sun and its wind of energetic particles, and which is thought to be enclosed, bubble-like, in the surrounding interstellar medium of gas and dust that pervades the Milky Way galaxy.
On August 25, 2012, NASA's Voyager 1 spacecraft measured drastic changes in radiation levels, more than 11 billion miles from the Sun. Anomalous cosmic rays, which are cosmic rays trapped in the outer heliosphere, all but vanished, dropping to less than 1 percent of previous amounts. At the same time, galactic cosmic rays cosmic radiation from outside of the solar system spiked to levels not seen since Voyager's launch, with intensities as much as twice previous levels.
The findings have been accepted for publication in Geophysical Research Letters, a journal of the American Geophysical Union.
"Within just a few days, the heliospheric intensity of trapped radiation decreased, and the cosmic ray intensity went up as you would expect if it exited the heliosphere," said Bill Webber, professor emeritus of astronomy at New Mexico State University in Las Cruces. He calls this transition boundary the "heliocliff."
In the GRL article, the authors state: "It appears that [Voyager 1] has exited the main solar modulation region, revealing [hydrogen] and [helium] spectra characteristic of those to be expected in the local interstellar medium."
http://www.agu.org/news/press/pr_archives/2013/2013-11.shtml
CaliforniaPeggy
(149,616 posts)To think that something we humans built is that far away...
Do we have any idea how long we will continue to receive transmissions from Voyager I?
sharp_stick
(14,400 posts)for sure but the plutonium that runs the thing is supposed to run out around 2025 I think.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)how long it will be until a man made mission makes it that same distance. Too bad it won't happen in my lifetime (I am 45).
Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)I suppose there is the possibility that we had some help from "Roswell Aliens", but I think we did most of the work. At worst, it was "Assembled on Earth"
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)lastlib
(23,233 posts)We are now interstellar explorers/travelers.
Whoopdedoo
(60 posts)I had never thought of Veeger (Star Trek episode) being interstellar. But that is quite accurate and fun to think of it that way.
NutmegYankee
(16,199 posts)I hope we can stay in contact with the probe for many more years to come.
Bay Boy
(1,689 posts)...that a human made object has traveled so far!
Maybe I missed it but how long does it take for the signal to travel back to us?
corkhead
(6,119 posts)Bay Boy
(1,689 posts)...I'll get my calculator out and get back in a minute.
I asked Siri instead. She said 16.4 hours
corkhead
(6,119 posts)obviously, it wasn't
11,000,000,000 / 186,282 /60 /60
I skipped minutes and went straight to hours for some unknown reason.
Bay Boy
(1,689 posts)...but I'll let you prepare my taxes for me. I could use a big refund.
Jayster84
(105 posts)Bay Boy
(1,689 posts)like from that distance.
And the Earth? Maybe not even visible with the naked eye.
Jayster84
(105 posts)The program shows tons of stars and objects. You can see the view from those objects would be. Very cool. http://www.stellarium.org/
DallasNE
(7,403 posts)Stars are measured in light years from Earth and Voyager I is a mere 16.4 light hours away. Also, I would think that Earth would not be visible with the naked eye from Saturn, let alone 11 billion miles out.
Bay Boy
(1,689 posts)and someone who isn't the brightest bulb in the universe.
Did you see a Facebook post where someone posted a picture the Mars Rover took of the sun low in the sky?
Someone responded something like "What do they call that sun?"
NutmegYankee
(16,199 posts)DallasNE
(7,403 posts)From Saturn for the same reason that Venus always appears as a crescent from Earth. That makes one wonder what kind of enhancement has taken place with this composite shot since the Earth is not a crescent in the photo. I know that two of Jupiter's moons can be seen from Earth with the naked eye and they are both smaller than Earth so I don't absolutely rule it out. Saturn, when it is visible is fairly faint to see but the amount of light striking it is a lot less than the light striking Earth but Earth is tiny compared to Saturn and it would be a crescent. Jump ball.
NutmegYankee
(16,199 posts)But is it possible that earth may have been about 160-170 degrees around the sun and would therefore appear as a near circle. Saturn is blocking the sun in that shot.
UnrepentantLiberal
(11,700 posts)Stupid question: Is it traveling the speed of light?
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)Except for a Doppler effect in the signal (slight red-shift), the speed of the transmitter is irrelevant to the speed of the signal. It took 30 years for it to cover the distance its signal covers in 16+ hours.
UnrepentantLiberal
(11,700 posts)I was just asking if the calculation was 16.5 hours for light to travel 11 billion miles.
Bay Boy
(1,689 posts)yes it took 16.5 hours for the light/radio signal to travel 11 billion miles
UnrepentantLiberal
(11,700 posts)Bay Boy
(1,689 posts)I could turn off the light in my bedroom and be under the covers before the room got dark.
AnotherDreamWeaver
(2,850 posts)Purveyor
(29,876 posts)leveymg
(36,418 posts)Last edited Sun Mar 24, 2013, 10:28 PM - Edit history (1)
I remember about ten years ago taking a leisurely stroll one sunny early Spring day in the Northern Virginia woods and, suddenly, the quiet was shattered by a tremendously loud roaring noise. I looked up and there, a couple thousand feet over my head, against the purest of blue skies was the sleek white triangle of the British Air Concorde taking its final flight back to England, which it reached about three hours later.
To make interstellar flight practical for humans, we will need to find a way to travel through space that is proportionately as great a leap forward as my walking pace to supersonic flight. But, some day, I think we will. It's just in us to do that sort of thing.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)krispos42
(49,445 posts)Holy shit, that is awesome!
We're on the way to the stars!
*happydance*
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)krispos42
(49,445 posts)sharp_stick
(14,400 posts)that is an astounding number. If my quick calculations are close it would take almost 18,000 years to reach that point in your car doing 70 mph.
Vinnie From Indy
(10,820 posts)Cheers!
MNBrewer
(8,462 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)ladjf
(17,320 posts)unlikely that any human will ever observe one in any way. Humans will be gone from Earth within a couple hundred millions years if not a lot sooner. The Universe is a really big structure.
MNBrewer
(8,462 posts)DreamGypsy
(2,252 posts)... the Voyagers might have been our first visitors to the star system nearest to ours. However, the voyagers weren't aimed toward Alpha-Centauri.
The Voyagers will get 'close' to other stars, as explained here:
We will have lost contact with the Voyagers long before then.
...so the silent lumps of metal will pass by those solar systems, perhaps being slightly deflected from their courses by a weak gravitational tug.
With millions, or maybe billions, of years of continuing travel, one of the Voyagers might be drawn into a random stellar system and fall into one of its stars. Or, there is an infinitesimal chance that the spacecraft would pass close to a planet or planetesimal, possibly even colliding. If the planet is large enough to have an atmosphere, then the 700 kg mass of our Voyager could leave a brief trail of light across a sky. Will that be in a sky observed by some 'living' form? Will some fragment of the destruction of our satellite strike the ground? Will the life there discover a fragment and marvel at the odd composition of its metals?
The creatures who sent out the message will never know the answers.
Thanks for the post IC.
formercia
(18,479 posts)cut the rest up into Spear Heads and Weapons of Personal Destruction.
bananas
(27,509 posts)Gone, gone, gone beyond,
Gone beyond beyond!
Hail the goer!
http://nseo.com/remember/thebook/remember8.htm
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)I imagine there are considerable celebrations at NASA today.
I wonder how many of the mission specialists, designers, and technicians from the start of the mission are still alive?
benld74
(9,904 posts)sdfernando
(4,935 posts)Given that we've only launched Voyager 1 & 2, I doubt we will go back to 3,4,5, and 6....but you never know.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)That is all.
bluedigger
(17,086 posts)meegbear
(25,438 posts)alittlelark
(18,890 posts)denverbill
(11,489 posts)The moon landing may beat it, and the Mars Rovers is right up there, but this is an amazing machine.
It was launched the year I graduated high school and has provided pictures and data for 36 years.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)that we are still getting info from these is amazing indeed.
burrowowl
(17,641 posts)of the best things we've done.
jRus61
(12 posts)I'm curious to see what Voyager I & II find once they are completely out of the protective shield of the heliosphere. Between these two spacecrafts and the new Mars rover this could be a banner year for NASA and science in general.
Go V-ger! Live Long and Prosper.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)That is so damn cool.
And it's got an LP player on board, which the alien hipsters will appreciate.
Honest_Abe
(155 posts)Voyager one was worth the price just to provide Carl Sagan's quote:
Look again at that dot. That's here. That's home. That's us. On it everyone you love, everyone you know, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever was, lived out their lives. The aggregate of our joy and suffering, thousands of confident religions, ideologies, and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilization, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every mother and father, hopeful child, inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every "superstar," every "supreme leader," every saint and sinner in the history of our species lived there-on a mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam..."
From a picture that Sagan convinced NASA to have Voyager 1 take. Google it if you want to be awed.
tibbiit
(1,601 posts)There is no evidence anywhere that there is anyone coming to save us. (this is paraphrased)
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Tikki
(14,557 posts)and it is just a machine floating around out there...
I love Science and Nature and the human imagination.
Tikki
NYC Liberal
(20,136 posts)http://solarsystem.nasa.gov/missions/profile.cfm?MCode=Voyager_1&Target=Beyond
It's still incredible how far it's traveled, though.
usmc03
(22 posts)if when we develop faster than light travel what decisions will be made, if any, in regards to these old probes. Whether to find and bring them back, check on them when a ship is 'in the neighborhood' but otherwise leave them alone or just not worry about it.
I've always had a thing for these old probes, the Voyagers specifically. Their launches and planetary flybys happened in my childhood and were a big part of my waking up to the sciences.
It's silly but knowing that they're still out there, still taking readings and reporting them home, gives me a good feeling.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)d_r
(6,907 posts)"It appears that has exited the main solar modulation region, revealing and spectra characteristic of those to be expected in the local interstellar medium."
was one of my favorite pink floyd songs