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n2doc

(47,953 posts)
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 01:13 PM Jul 2013

Booze in space: Is methanol reaction 'cheating' laws of physics?

By Amina Khan
July 2, 2013, 9:20 a.m.
With the help of a little alcohol, scientists have discovered supposedly impossible chemical reactions in the cold reaches of space. Organic molecules like methanol are being created and destroyed in clouds of interstellar gas, thanks to a spooky process called quantum tunneling.

The findings, published in Nature Chemistry, reveal a mind-boggling phenomenon that seems to be "cheating" the classical laws of physics.

Scientists have long wondered how space chemistry occurs at such cold temperatures. That’s because when molecules come together, they need a little energy to break and form new bonds. But much of outer space is cold, lacking the energy to fuel these chemical reactions and overcome this energy barrier, study coauthor Dwayne Heard, a physical chemist at the University of Leeds in England, said in an interview.
"At these low temperatures, there's just simply not enough energy to get over the top of the barrier," Heard said.

And yet, such reactions must be taking place: Researchers have found a complex molecule called methoxy, one of the products of a reaction involving methanol. Methanol, a type of alcohol found in fuel and antifreeze, has a reputation for giving bootleg liquor its poisonous edge.

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http://www.latimes.com/news/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-alcohol-space-methanol-quantum-tunneling-physics-cheat-20130701,0,2366673.story

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Booze in space: Is methanol reaction 'cheating' laws of physics? (Original Post) n2doc Jul 2013 OP
Very cool reason...literally JimDandy Jul 2013 #1
I know the headline isn't yours.....but it sucks, really..... Wounded Bear Jul 2013 #2
Yeah, I know! LongTomH Jul 2013 #5
Which probably means that quantum tunneled chemistry will be in our toolkit soon. tridim Jul 2013 #3
What? caraher Jul 2013 #6
I meant to say FUTURE quantum computers. I'll look for the article. tridim Jul 2013 #7
The polymerization of formaldehyde by tunneling was studied long ago ... eppur_se_muova Jul 2013 #4

JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
1. Very cool reason...literally
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 01:31 PM
Jul 2013

"It seems that the deep freeze, ironically, may actually be aiding the reactions in space, rather than impeding them. The cold slows down the molecules, which stay near each other for longer rather than quickly bouncing off of one another. Slowing them down widens the window of opportunity for quantum tunneling by a thousand times or even more,..."

Wounded Bear

(58,676 posts)
2. I know the headline isn't yours.....but it sucks, really.....
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 03:24 PM
Jul 2013

Cool article, though. Something I've kind of wondered about, too. It's an interesting solution to the problem of energy in molecular reactions in places where we wouldn't normally expect them.

Thanks.

LongTomH

(8,636 posts)
5. Yeah, I know!
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 12:40 PM
Jul 2013

I was about to add a comment about: "Talk about your cold brewing," then I saw that it was methanol, not ethanol, being produced.

Oh, well!

tridim

(45,358 posts)
3. Which probably means that quantum tunneled chemistry will be in our toolkit soon.
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 04:17 PM
Jul 2013

I've also read that simulations of nature on quantum computers aren't actually simulations, they are REAL. Simulate a molecule on a quantum computer, and that molecule actually exists.

I bet there is a correlation.

caraher

(6,279 posts)
6. What?
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 06:54 PM
Jul 2013

Quantum computers today are in incredibly rudimentary. We're talking about doing things like calculating the result of 3 times 5, not simulating molecules.

So I wonder what you're reading. It's almost the reverse: the molecules are real and the calculations almost exist! I guess the closest thing to what you've said is Seth Lloyd's paper "The Universe as a Quantum Computer" which contains a classic paragraph asking the question, "If the universe is a quantum computer, what is it calculating?" To which he suggests the near-tautological answer, "its own time evolution..."

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