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DavidDvorkin

(19,480 posts)
Thu Dec 12, 2013, 01:57 PM Dec 2013

Collapse of the universe is closer than ever before

Maybe it happens tomorrow. Maybe in a billion years. Physicists have long predicted that the universe may one day collapse, and that everything in it will be compressed to a small hard ball. New calculations from physicists at the University of Southern Denmark now confirm this prediction – and they also conclude that the risk of a collapse is even greater than previously thought.

Sooner or later a radical shift in the forces of the universe will cause every little particle in it to become extremely heavy. Everything - every grain of sand on Earth, every planet in the solar system and every galaxy – will become millions of billions times heavier than it is now, and this will have disastrous consequences: The new weight will squeeze all material into a small, super hot and super heavy ball, and the universe as we know it will cease to exist.



http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2013-12/uosd-cot121213.php


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Collapse of the universe is closer than ever before (Original Post) DavidDvorkin Dec 2013 OP
Yeh! I HATE when that happens! immoderate Dec 2013 #1
Cheery thought dipsydoodle Dec 2013 #2
Of course, Jesus will return seconds before it happens. longship Dec 2013 #3
PHI401 wtbymark Dec 2013 #4
For several years I've been reading and watching a growing consensus that the universe will expand FiveGoodMen Dec 2013 #5
Apparently DavidDvorkin Dec 2013 #6
I don't think so. jeff47 Dec 2013 #9
ActuallyThe 'expand forever' theory comes from measurements showing the rate of expansion Vincardog Dec 2013 #13
Yes, that's where "dark energy" enters the theory jeff47 Dec 2013 #15
Yeah, but things got a more fuzzy with the potential discovery of the Higgs boson... DreamGypsy Dec 2013 #12
But time slows due to greater mass DavidDvorkin Dec 2013 #7
or.... wtbymark Dec 2013 #8
A blink of an eye that would seem like normal time passing to those inside the bubble DavidDvorkin Dec 2013 #11
This reminds me of Hinduism's Advaita Vedanta deutsey Dec 2013 #10
Or Edgar Allen Poe defacto7 Dec 2013 #16
Damn... Glad I took a vacation day for tomorrow. Thor_MN Dec 2013 #14

dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
2. Cheery thought
Thu Dec 12, 2013, 02:03 PM
Dec 2013

Not.

But they do say there's no point in worrying about anything over which you have no control.

longship

(40,416 posts)
3. Of course, Jesus will return seconds before it happens.
Thu Dec 12, 2013, 02:05 PM
Dec 2013

I hope to be at Milliways enjoying a great meal and floor show when it happens.
Zarquon's ghost!

wtbymark

(2,038 posts)
4. PHI401
Thu Dec 12, 2013, 02:12 PM
Dec 2013

In Metaphysics this is known as an Epoch. How many Epochs have we been through? How many other Epochs are there? What is on the other side, or outside, our Epoch? I find the new 'foam' theory interesting.

FiveGoodMen

(20,018 posts)
5. For several years I've been reading and watching a growing consensus that the universe will expand
Thu Dec 12, 2013, 02:16 PM
Dec 2013

forever.

Have we changed that overnight?

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
9. I don't think so.
Thu Dec 12, 2013, 03:32 PM
Dec 2013

The 'expand forever' theory comes from measurements of dark energy, and noticing that the galaxies are accelerating away from each other.

The theory in the OP is based on magic. Somehow, things will change to make everything super-massive and then gravity will collapse everything. Or maybe it won't happen. But the probability is above zero! As long as fundamental particles that have never been observed actually exist, and the recent Higgs boson experiments at the large hadron collider are wrong.

One of these two seems a tad more believable....

Vincardog

(20,234 posts)
13. ActuallyThe 'expand forever' theory comes from measurements showing the rate of expansion
Thu Dec 12, 2013, 10:16 PM
Dec 2013

is INCREASING. Why the rate is increasing is not known. The fact is that whatever is responsible for the universe's expansion is continuing to act.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
15. Yes, that's where "dark energy" enters the theory
Thu Dec 12, 2013, 10:24 PM
Dec 2013

"Dark energy" is some unknown source of energy that is increasing the rate of expansion - which is why the galaxies are accelerating.

DreamGypsy

(2,252 posts)
12. Yeah, but things got a more fuzzy with the potential discovery of the Higgs boson...
Thu Dec 12, 2013, 06:37 PM
Dec 2013

...which is not to say they weren't always fuzzy.

Here's an article from back in February 2013 with a somewhat similar prediction/conjecture of a phase change: Universe Has Finite Lifespan, Higgs Boson Calculations Suggest:

"It may be that the universe we live in is inherently unstable and at some point billions of years from now it's all going to get wiped out," said Lykken, who is also on the science team at Europe's Large Hadron Collider, or LHC, the world's largest and highest-energy particle accelerator.

Physicists last year announced they had discovered what appears to be a long-sought subatomic particle called the Higgs boson, which is believed to give matter its mass.

<snip>

"This calculation tells you that many tens of billions of years from now, there'll be a catastrophe," Lykken said. "A little bubble of what you might think of as an ‘alternative' universe will appear somewhere and then it will expand out and destroy us," Lykken said, adding that the event will unfold at the speed of light.

<snip>

The calculation requires knowing the mass of the Higgs to within one percent, as well as the precise mass of other related subatomic particles.


A problem with this conjecture back in February was that the folks at CERN and other facilities using the CERN data was weren't even certain that the had found THE Higgs boson. From Quantum Diaries: It looks very much like we have “a” Higgs boson:

No more Higgs-like, Higgs-ish or even Higgsy boson. The CMS and ATLAS collaborations, the two large experiments operating at the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) at CERN, have now gathered sufficient evidence to say that the new boson discovered last summer is almost certainly “a” Higgs boson. Note that we are going to call it “a” Higgs boson and not “the” Higgs boson since we still need more data to determine what type of Higgs boson we have found. But all the analysis conducted so far strongly indicates that we are indeed dealing with a type of Higgs boson.

The Standard Model predicts there should be only one Higgs boson and so far, our Higgs boson is compatible with being the Standard Model Higgs boson. But it could still be one of the five types of Higgs bosons postulated by supersymmetry, a theory that would build on the Standard Model and complete it in a way that it would not only be able to explain the world made of matter that we know, but also provide a possible explanation for something still completely unknown called dark matter.

Both ATLAS and CMS checked not only the mass but also the couplings of the new boson. In all cases where the experiments have sensitivity, the couplings are consistent with the Standard Model. But the truth may lie in the tiniest detail. Take for example the signal strength, a quantity that measures how many signal events are found in different decay channels compared with the numbers expected from the Standard Model. The Standard Model boson would then come out with signal strength of one in all decay channels. But if other, yet undiscovered particles exist, then they would provide more options in the ways the Higgs boson could decay, and we should start seeing more signal events or if additional Higgs bosons exist we might see less signal strength in some channels.

Among new results shown this week at the Moriond QCD conference, CMS reported updated results for a Higgs decaying into two photons and ATLAS had an update on the Higgs decaying to a pair of W bosons. CMS presented their main result and a result from a cross-check analysis using a different analysis approach. The two results, of 0.78±0.27 for the main analysis and 1.11±0.31 for the cross-check, are consistent within uncertainties. ATLAS measured a signal strength of 1.0±0.3 in the WW channel and, 1.30±0.21 for all channels combined. These results are so far in reasonable agreement with a value of one predicted by the Standard Model. Values different from one can come from statistical fluctuations as well as from new physics as mentioned earlier. Only more data and more study will allow us to tell.

The latest results presented at Moriond mark an important step forward in the Higgs analysis, but also serve as a reminder that we still have a long way to go. It looks very much as though we have “a” Higgs boson, the question now is what kind?


However, with results published just last week, the CERN folks announced One giant leap for the Higgs boson:

Both the ATLAS and CMS collaborations at CERN have now shown solid evidence that the new particle discovered in July 2012 behaves even more like the Higgs boson, by establishing that it also decays into particles known as tau leptons, a very heavy version of electrons.

<snip>

The CMS experiment had already shown evidence for Higgs boson decays into fermions last summer with a signal of 3.4 sigma when combining the tau and b quark channels. A sigma corresponds to one standard deviation, the size of potential statistical fluctuations. Three sigma is needed to claim evidence while five sigma is usually required for a discovery.

For the first time, there is now solid evidence from a single channel – and two experiments have independently produced it. ATLAS collaboration showed evidence for the tau channel alone with a signal of 4.1 sigma, while CMS obtained 3.4 sigma, both bringing strong evidence that this particular type of decays occurs.



The data collected by the ATLAS experiment (black dots) are consistent with coming
from the sum of all backgrounds (colour histograms) plus contributions from a Higgs boson
going into a pair of tau leptons (red curve). Below, the background is subtracted from the data
to reveal the most likely mass of the Higgs boson, namely 125 GeV (red curve).


Right, now they have additional evidence, but not quite a discovery.

With these new results, the experiments established one more property that was expected for the Standard Model Higgs boson. What remains to be clarified is the exact type of Higgs boson we are dealing with. Is this indeed the simplest one associated with the Standard Model? Or have we uncovered another type of Higgs boson, the lightest one of the five types of Higgs bosons predicted by another theory called supersymmetry.

It is still too early to dismiss the second hypothesis. While the Higgs boson is behaving so far exactly like what is expected for the Standard Model Higgs boson, the measurements lack the precision needed to rule out that it cannot be a supersymmetric type of Higgs boson. Getting a definite answer on this will require more data. This will happen once the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) resumes operation at nearly twice the current energy in 2015 after the current shutdown needed for maintenance and upgrade.

Meanwhile, these new results will be refined and finalized. But already they represent one small step for the experiments, a giant leap for the Higgs boson.


So, no, things didn't change overnight, and they are still changing.

My recommendation would be not to sell your beachfront property on the Universe just yet on the basis of articles like this about a possible big crunch.

DavidDvorkin

(19,480 posts)
7. But time slows due to greater mass
Thu Dec 12, 2013, 03:23 PM
Dec 2013

So does this mean that within the collapsing bubble, everything might still seem normal?

wtbymark

(2,038 posts)
8. or....
Thu Dec 12, 2013, 03:31 PM
Dec 2013

could, or wouldn't, the bubble (Epoch) collapse in the blink of an eye. We would never know....just like a giant eraser....wiped clean...and then in the same instance a new Epoch...a new big bang...hmmmmm

deutsey

(20,166 posts)
10. This reminds me of Hinduism's Advaita Vedanta
Thu Dec 12, 2013, 04:08 PM
Dec 2013

All matter throughout the universe is the outcome of one primal matter called Âkâsha; and all force, whether gravitation, attraction or repulsion, or life, is the outcome of one primal force called Prâna. Prana acting on Akasha is creating or projecting the universe. At the beginning of a cycle, Akasha is motionless, unmanifested. Then Prana begins to act, more and more, creating grosser and grosser forms out of Akasha — plants, animals, men, stars, and so on. After an incalculable time this evolution ceases and involution begins, everything being resolved back through finer and finer forms into the original Akasha and Prana, when a new cycle follows.

Swami Vivekananda
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Complete_Works_of_Swami_Vivekananda/Volume_1/Lectures_And_Discourses/The_Vedanta_Philosophy

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
16. Or Edgar Allen Poe
Fri Dec 13, 2013, 12:24 AM
Dec 2013

"In the beginning of the first thing lies the secondary cause of all things with the germ of their inevitable annihilation."

 

Thor_MN

(11,843 posts)
14. Damn... Glad I took a vacation day for tomorrow.
Thu Dec 12, 2013, 10:21 PM
Dec 2013

I suppose I should start drinking the rest of my single malts now...

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