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Playinghardball

(11,665 posts)
Mon Apr 14, 2014, 01:41 PM Apr 2014

This Fish Crawled Out of the Water…and Into Creationists' Nightmares



We all know the Darwin fish, the car-bumper send-up of the Christian "ichthys" symbol, or Jesus fish. Unlike the Christian symbol, the Darwin fish has, you know, legs. Har har.

But the Darwin fish isn't merely a clever joke; in effect, it contains a testable scientific prediction. If evolution is true, and if life on Earth originated in water, then there must have once been fish species possessing primitive limbs, which enabled them to spend some part of their lives on land. And these species, in turn, must be the ancestors of four-limbed, land-living vertebrates like us.

Sure enough, in 2004, scientists found one of those transitional species: Tiktaalik roseae, a 375 million-year-old Devonian period specimen discovered in the Canadian Arctic by paleontologist Neil Shubin and his colleagues. Tiktaalik, explains Shubin on the latest episode of the Inquiring Minds podcast, is an "anatomical mix between fish and a land-living animal."

"It has a neck," says Shubin, a professor at the University of Chicago. "No fish has a neck. And you know what? When you look inside the fin, and you take off those fin rays, you find an upper arm bone, a forearm, and a wrist." Tiktaalik, Shubin has observed, was a fish capable of doing a push-up. It had both lungs and gills. In sum, it's quite the transitional form.



More here: http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2014/04/neil-shubin-inquiring-minds-tiktaalik-creationist-nightmare
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This Fish Crawled Out of the Water…and Into Creationists' Nightmares (Original Post) Playinghardball Apr 2014 OP
Love it! gopiscrap Apr 2014 #1
That was a great book, and I'm looking forward to the PBS series. arcane1 Apr 2014 #2
No, no you don't understand ... intaglio Apr 2014 #3
That is one ugly fish (?). If I had found it, I'd have No Vested Interest Apr 2014 #4
It would have crawled out of the water and bit you for that. Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2014 #12
Shubin went on to say TlalocW Apr 2014 #5
well….this is obviously a fake, because... dhill926 Apr 2014 #6
Because - BENGHAZI!!!!!!!!! calimary Apr 2014 #8
of course! dhill926 Apr 2014 #10
This will mean nothing to Creationists Orrex Apr 2014 #7
True enough. But I enjoy envisioning them waking up each morning calimary Apr 2014 #9
wouldn't it be nice if we could selectively reverse the process and turn all the srican69 Apr 2014 #17
Looks more like a cowpie than a fish. AAO Apr 2014 #11
Could be worse... Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2014 #15
I bet you posted that pic just for the halibut. longship Apr 2014 #18
I chose him out of thousands...didn't like the others; they were all too flat. FiveGoodMen Apr 2014 #19
Hi Eric! Paulie Apr 2014 #21
Eric sends a semi-hello back to you! FiveGoodMen Apr 2014 #23
That served no porpose. Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2014 #20
The book is on me read list. The PBS series is very good, so far. longship Apr 2014 #13
I've been watching it, too libodem Apr 2014 #16
re: This Fish Crawled Out of the Water…and Into Creationists' Nightmares allan01 Apr 2014 #14
Evolution predicted the location of the fossils RainDog Apr 2014 #22

intaglio

(8,170 posts)
3. No, no you don't understand ...
Mon Apr 14, 2014, 02:35 PM
Apr 2014

... now there are TWO transitional species missing!!!11eleventy one!!



Because I really don't want to be taken seriously.

TlalocW

(15,383 posts)
5. Shubin went on to say
Mon Apr 14, 2014, 03:23 PM
Apr 2014

That it probably tasted a lot like chicken, and it would have gone well in a white wine sauce.

TlalocW

calimary

(81,298 posts)
8. Because - BENGHAZI!!!!!!!!!
Mon Apr 14, 2014, 03:41 PM
Apr 2014

Anything that ruins a teabagger's/creationist's/fundamentalist's day absolutely MAKES mine!

Orrex

(63,213 posts)
7. This will mean nothing to Creationists
Mon Apr 14, 2014, 03:40 PM
Apr 2014

They demand a complete, direct, linear and uninterrupted tracing from modern man back to the first single-cell creature, and even then they'll simply declare that God designed the whole process.

It's an unwinnable argument because they're insane. No amount of evidence can persuade them.

calimary

(81,298 posts)
9. True enough. But I enjoy envisioning them waking up each morning
Mon Apr 14, 2014, 03:42 PM
Apr 2014

and the first thing they find themselves reaching for - is the nearest bottle of Maalox.

srican69

(1,426 posts)
17. wouldn't it be nice if we could selectively reverse the process and turn all the
Mon Apr 14, 2014, 04:56 PM
Apr 2014

creationists back to bacteria


Imagine the benefits - the average IQ of the human race will increase by 100% ( assuming that there are as many of them as there are of us)

libodem

(19,288 posts)
16. I've been watching it, too
Mon Apr 14, 2014, 04:30 PM
Apr 2014

Your inner fish. I liked the embryology part were it showed our gill slits during fetal development. Apes my ass.

allan01

(1,950 posts)
14. re: This Fish Crawled Out of the Water…and Into Creationists' Nightmares
Mon Apr 14, 2014, 04:11 PM
Apr 2014

credits: toho. warnerbrothers : others
thanks for the post .the science haters will just love this .

RainDog

(28,784 posts)
22. Evolution predicted the location of the fossils
Tue Apr 15, 2014, 01:58 AM
Apr 2014

predicted such a fossil would exist, and the finding of such fossils demonstrates the validity of evolutionary theory as the best explanation for the diversity of life in our own time and in the past.

what's also interesting is that human evolution also demonstrates its place within the sphere of evolutionary science as more variety has been uncovered in the homo species line before homo erectus - adaptive radiation.

So homo sapiens do not exist outside of evolutionary processes that apply to other species, as some religious folk choose to believe (i.e. all animals except for humans evolved.)

What's also interesting is the realization, that, as some have put it, evolution is more like a hack than some elegant design - because, if something is working from a mutation - there it goes.

life itself is amazing.

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