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Whats the worst that could happen?
By Maddie Bender on June 18, 2021
During a congressional hearing last week, Republican Representative Louie Gohmert of Texas asked a U.S. Forest Service official if her organization or the Bureau of Land Management could change the orbit of the moon or Earth to reverse the effects of human-caused climate change. That seems like a perfectly reasonable idea, doesnt it? Lets do it.
First, we must take stock of what we havethe givens in what will be our equation for moving Earth. Our planet orbits the sun at an average distance of 149.6 million kilometers, and it soaks up enough sunlight to have an average temperature of about 15 degrees Celsius. The latter figure is, however, an increase of slightly more than one degree C from Earths typical temperature across the past century. In short, this world is running a low-grade fever. According to current consensus estimates, that fever is likely to get much worse if left unchecked, raising Earths average temperature by another one degree C by the 2060s. Such an increase would render some presently people-packed parts of the planet effectively uninhabitable and threaten the sustainability of global civilization as we know it.
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To make Earth cooler, we need to decrease a variable on the right side of the equation: We cant easily lower the suns temperature or radiusand clearly meaningful reductions to our heat-trapping, albedo-shifting greenhouse gas emissions are out of the question. So lets take Representative Gohmerts advice and simply increase D, the distance to the sun. All we have to do is find a way to move all 5.972 septillion kilograms of Earths mass farther away from our star. Easy, right?
By Scharringhausens calculations, a three-degree-C decrease in temperature to counteract current and near-future anthropogenic warming would require us to move our planet an additional three million kilometers from the sun. Using another back-of-the-envelope calculation, Scharringhausen finds that 5 x 10³¹ joules could push all 5,972,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 kilograms of Earths mass three million kilometers out from its present orbit. These numbers present challenges for Representative Gohmerts plan because annual global electricity production is around 10¹⁹ joules, or 0.0000000000002 percent of what wed need to move the globe. Thats also assuming we can apply all that energy to Earth at 100 percent efficiency, which, thanks to the laws of thermodynamics, is physically impossible.
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https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/a-modest-proposal-lets-change-earths-orbit/
wcmagumba
(2,893 posts)SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)grumpyduck
(6,278 posts)Maraya1969
(22,509 posts)As hard as it is to believe we must remember that this man's leader suggested using X-Rays and bleach to kill Covid last year.
They are a group of bumbling idiots.
Midnight Writer
(21,830 posts)Traildogbob
(8,868 posts)tazkcmo
(7,304 posts)KnR!
aggiesal
(8,943 posts)Response to Midnight Writer (Reply #7)
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Marcuse
(7,553 posts)caraher
(6,279 posts)Yes, he's an idiot, but the idiotic point he was making is that climate change is entirely driven by forces humans have nothing to do with.
He has done the deadpan seemingly-serious delivery of stupid ideas before:
Bo Zarts
(25,407 posts)He spent an entire lecture period proving that heaven is hotter than hell. He used Biblical scripture and empirical thermodynamics. It was a beautiful thing. The religious nuts were walking out on him.
grumpyduck
(6,278 posts)ms liberty
(8,620 posts)caraher
(6,279 posts)sarchasm
(1,013 posts)caraher
(6,279 posts)TlalocW
(15,393 posts)He was cheap entertainment and earned me the nickname Gay Monkey Man, which years later some fellow students recognized me at a talk by James Randi and called me that so I got to explain it to him.
Anyway, I gave him a print-out of that, and he actually wasted his time coming up with a Biblical response to it and stopped me the next Friday to explain it to me (I wasn't going to be attending his weekly rant - was just walking by). So I felt kind of proud.
TlalocW
Hugh_Lebowski
(33,643 posts)Or at least not here in the DU copy/paste version of it.
"Scharringhausen finds that 5 x 1031 joules could push all 5,972,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 kilograms of Earths mass three million kilometers out from its present orbit. These numbers present challenges for Representative Gohmerts plan because annual global electricity production is around 1019 joules"
The Kilograms is properly represented, but "5 x 1031" is not proper notation, nor is the world's production of energy "1019 joules" annually. Not sure where the wrongness came into play but these are way wrong.
krispos42
(49,445 posts)The superscript didn't copy-and-paste. Luckily, I have skills...
Hugh_Lebowski
(33,643 posts)jimlup
(7,968 posts)So if you want to write 50,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 joules one can write 5.0*10^31 joules. This is what I do to indicate an exponent.
Alternatively one can use the floating point representation used in computers so the number becomes 5.0E31 joules.
Hugh_Lebowski
(33,643 posts)zipplewrath
(16,646 posts)I presume.
Hugh_Lebowski
(33,643 posts)You have to get fancy to make DU represent it properly, which the OP did (after I pointed it out).
Like so:
5 x 10³¹
alfredo
(60,078 posts)We land at night
erronis
(15,428 posts)Happy landings, stoooopids.
SergeStorms
(19,204 posts)After all, he's a graduate of Baylor Law. I'm sure he already had these calculations penciled out on his desk beforehand. He just wanted to see if if the nice lady from the Forest Service knew.
jimlup
(7,968 posts)while asking his absolutely idiotic question. This, I think, was actually the point. He wanted to suggest that the GW we are seeing was due to an increase in the intensity of the sun (this is scientifically unfounded but still a favorite argument of the willfully ignorant.) That is why he wanted to change the Earth's orbit. While we all recognize this as scientifically unfounded, his observes think that it was "smart" because he was pointing out the "absurdity" of doing anything about GW.
I think if we could somehow convince Gohmert that human burning of fossil fuels was actually causing GW (I realize this is completely impossible). he would suddenly be in favor of the warming.
caraher
(6,279 posts)He's making an idiotic point and doesn't genuinely imagine orbital mechanics are something the government can change.
I've really been very disappointed that so many in what is normally the reality-based community has chosen to behave as if he were stupider than he is out of a desire to paint our political foes in the most negative light imaginable. Gohmert is abhorrent enough for genuine reasons. Studied ignorance of his actual rhetorical tactics just makes us look foolish.
Permanut
(5,687 posts)EarnestPutz
(2,124 posts).... that we have already added to the earth's average temperature does not mean that a hot 90 degree day is now 91 degrees, as many Americans think. But instead it means that the AVERAGE GLOBAL TEMPERATURE of 14 degrees (day and night, summer and winter, Northern and Southern hemispheres, high and low altitudes) has gone up a full degree and is expected to go up one more, from 15 degrees to 16 degrees Celsius.
Jilly_in_VA
(10,041 posts)just shoot Louie into the sun? It would be such a nice way to get rid of him, and a one-way trip couldn't be but so expensive.....or maybe just a one-way trop to the moon, and we'll wave at him as he goes by every night. Give him a hand crank so he can change the orbit himself.
Lonestarblue
(10,138 posts)Gohmert is one of them. He is a lawyer and a former judge, but the district he represents is in East Texas, which is home to the most wackadoodle nut jobs in Texas, which is saying a lot since the wackadoodle levelis extremely high here. Some years ago, a former teacher from somewhere over there was running for office on her conspiracy theories about Obamathings like he sold drugs and worked as a male stripper to pay for college. She actually won enough votes to make it to a runoff but fortunately lost in the final election. She was running for a position on the Texas Board of Education!
TlalocW
(15,393 posts)TlalocW
IronLionZion
(45,615 posts)Bird Lady
(1,819 posts)He does not have the mental capacity to even read this, much less understand it. Idiots are idiots and
the harebrained ideas they come up with prove they possess double digit IQs.
He who knows not,
and knows not that he knows not,
is a fool; shun him.
He who knows not,
and knows that he knows not,
is a student; Teach him.
He who knows,
and knows not that he knows,
is asleep; Wake him.
He who knows,
and knows that he knows,
is Wise; Follow him.
― Arabian
eppur_se_muova
(36,317 posts)... didn't know where I picked it up.