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krispos42

(49,445 posts)
Fri Jun 18, 2021, 03:02 PM Jun 2021

"Scientific American" is throwing some serious shade at Louie Gomert

Last edited Fri Jun 18, 2021, 04:36 PM - Edit history (2)

A Modest Proposal: Let’s Change Earth’s Orbit

What’s the worst that could happen?

By Maddie Bender on June 18, 2021

During a congressional hearing last week, Republican Representative Louie Gohmert of Texas asked a U.S. Forest Service official if her organization or the Bureau of Land Management could change the orbit of the moon or Earth to reverse the effects of human-caused climate change. That seems like a perfectly reasonable idea, doesn’t it? Let’s do it.

First, we must take stock of what we have—the givens in what will be our equation for moving Earth. Our planet orbits the sun at an average distance of 149.6 million kilometers, and it soaks up enough sunlight to have an average temperature of about 15 degrees Celsius. The latter figure is, however, an increase of slightly more than one degree C from Earth’s typical temperature across the past century. In short, this world is running a low-grade fever. According to current consensus estimates, that fever is likely to get much worse if left unchecked, raising Earth’s average temperature by another one degree C by the 2060s. Such an increase would render some presently people-packed parts of the planet effectively uninhabitable and threaten the sustainability of global civilization as we know it.

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To make Earth cooler, we need to decrease a variable on the right side of the equation: We can’t easily lower the sun’s temperature or radius—and clearly meaningful reductions to our heat-trapping, albedo-shifting greenhouse gas emissions are out of the question. So let’s take Representative Gohmert’s advice and simply increase D, the distance to the sun. All we have to do is find a way to move all 5.972 septillion kilograms of Earth’s mass farther away from our star. Easy, right?

By Scharringhausen’s calculations, a three-degree-C decrease in temperature to counteract current and near-future anthropogenic warming would require us to move our planet an additional three million kilometers from the sun. Using another back-of-the-envelope calculation, Scharringhausen finds that 5 x 10³¹ joules could push all 5,972,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 kilograms of Earth’s mass three million kilometers out from its present orbit. These numbers present challenges for Representative Gohmert’s plan because annual global electricity production is around 10¹⁹ joules, or 0.0000000000002 percent of what we’d need to move the globe. That’s also assuming we can apply all that energy to Earth at 100 percent efficiency, which, thanks to the laws of thermodynamics, is physically impossible.

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https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/a-modest-proposal-lets-change-earths-orbit/



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"Scientific American" is throwing some serious shade at Louie Gomert (Original Post) krispos42 Jun 2021 OP
Thanks for posting, love it, Sci Am is one of the few physical magazines I still subscribe...nt wcmagumba Jun 2021 #1
K&R! SheltieLover Jun 2021 #2
I thought it was reported that he was kidding. grumpyduck Jun 2021 #3
He said that afterward but I watched again and he acted like he was serious. Maraya1969 Jun 2021 #5
I told my wife I was kidding after I told her I found her sister to be alluring. Midnight Writer Jun 2021 #7
That is damn funny😆😆😂😂 Traildogbob Jun 2021 #10
Lol tazkcmo Jun 2021 #11
Did she smack you before you said "Just kidding"? n/t aggiesal Jun 2021 #14
This message was self-deleted by its author aggiesal Jun 2021 #16
My ex asked me if her friend was sexy. I totally misunderstood where she was going with that. Marcuse Jun 2021 #31
I don't believe he was serious caraher Jun 2021 #24
I had a physics professor 54 years ago: Thermodynamics Bo Zarts Jun 2021 #4
I love it! grumpyduck Jun 2021 #6
I would give good money to here that. n/t ms liberty Jun 2021 #22
It has made the rounds caraher Jun 2021 #26
Is Hell Exothermic or Endothermic? sarchasm Jun 2021 #30
Another good one! caraher Jun 2021 #33
There was an evangelist that came to my college campus TlalocW Jun 2021 #34
No way are these numbers being represented properly in the article ... Hugh_Lebowski Jun 2021 #8
I fixed it. krispos42 Jun 2021 #9
Good work! Sorry to be pedantic ;) nt Hugh_Lebowski Jun 2021 #18
Just use the symbol to indicate Scientific Notation jimlup Jun 2021 #17
I know, but it wasn't my job to fix ;) nt Hugh_Lebowski Jun 2021 #19
5 x 1031 zipplewrath Jun 2021 #20
The superscript didn't work there either ... Hugh_Lebowski Jun 2021 #23
Suggest a trip to the sun. Tell him it would be possible if alfredo Jun 2021 #12
I'd volunteer to steer him and all (r)epuglicons to the dark side of the sun. erronis Jun 2021 #21
I'm sure Gomer understands every bit of that. SergeStorms Jun 2021 #13
If you watch Gohmert's question carefully you will notice that he managed to deny AGW jimlup Jun 2021 #15
Yes, that's right caraher Jun 2021 #28
What if we all just push on it? Permanut Jun 2021 #25
I think that the most interesting thing here is that the one degree.... EarnestPutz Jun 2021 #27
Can we Jilly_in_VA Jun 2021 #29
We have a lot of Republicans in Texas who choose to act like fools. Lonestarblue Jun 2021 #32
Star Trek: TNG already solved this problem TlalocW Jun 2021 #35
Send Marjorie up there with space lasers IronLionZion Jun 2021 #36
Oh Please! Bird Lady Jun 2021 #37
Thanks for that -- I've often used the phrase "knows not & knows not that he knows not" but ... eppur_se_muova Jun 2021 #38

Maraya1969

(22,509 posts)
5. He said that afterward but I watched again and he acted like he was serious.
Fri Jun 18, 2021, 03:20 PM
Jun 2021

As hard as it is to believe we must remember that this man's leader suggested using X-Rays and bleach to kill Covid last year.

They are a group of bumbling idiots.

Response to Midnight Writer (Reply #7)

caraher

(6,279 posts)
24. I don't believe he was serious
Fri Jun 18, 2021, 05:16 PM
Jun 2021

Yes, he's an idiot, but the idiotic point he was making is that climate change is entirely driven by forces humans have nothing to do with.

He has done the deadpan seemingly-serious delivery of stupid ideas before:

Bo Zarts

(25,407 posts)
4. I had a physics professor 54 years ago: Thermodynamics
Fri Jun 18, 2021, 03:20 PM
Jun 2021

He spent an entire lecture period proving that heaven is hotter than hell. He used Biblical scripture and empirical thermodynamics. It was a beautiful thing. The religious nuts were walking out on him.

TlalocW

(15,393 posts)
34. There was an evangelist that came to my college campus
Fri Jun 18, 2021, 06:06 PM
Jun 2021

He was cheap entertainment and earned me the nickname Gay Monkey Man, which years later some fellow students recognized me at a talk by James Randi and called me that so I got to explain it to him.

Anyway, I gave him a print-out of that, and he actually wasted his time coming up with a Biblical response to it and stopped me the next Friday to explain it to me (I wasn't going to be attending his weekly rant - was just walking by). So I felt kind of proud.

TlalocW

 

Hugh_Lebowski

(33,643 posts)
8. No way are these numbers being represented properly in the article ...
Fri Jun 18, 2021, 04:07 PM
Jun 2021

Or at least not here in the DU copy/paste version of it.

"Scharringhausen finds that 5 x 1031 joules could push all 5,972,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 kilograms of Earth’s mass three million kilometers out from its present orbit. These numbers present challenges for Representative Gohmert’s plan because annual global electricity production is around 1019 joules"

The Kilograms is properly represented, but "5 x 1031" is not proper notation, nor is the world's production of energy "1019 joules" annually. Not sure where the wrongness came into play but these are way wrong.

jimlup

(7,968 posts)
17. Just use the symbol to indicate Scientific Notation
Fri Jun 18, 2021, 04:57 PM
Jun 2021

So if you want to write 50,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 joules one can write 5.0*10^31 joules. This is what I do to indicate an exponent.

Alternatively one can use the floating point representation used in computers so the number becomes 5.0E31 joules.

 

Hugh_Lebowski

(33,643 posts)
23. The superscript didn't work there either ...
Fri Jun 18, 2021, 05:15 PM
Jun 2021

You have to get fancy to make DU represent it properly, which the OP did (after I pointed it out).

Like so:

5 x 10³¹

erronis

(15,428 posts)
21. I'd volunteer to steer him and all (r)epuglicons to the dark side of the sun.
Fri Jun 18, 2021, 05:10 PM
Jun 2021

Happy landings, stoooopids.

SergeStorms

(19,204 posts)
13. I'm sure Gomer understands every bit of that.
Fri Jun 18, 2021, 04:50 PM
Jun 2021

After all, he's a graduate of Baylor Law. I'm sure he already had these calculations penciled out on his desk beforehand. He just wanted to see if if the nice lady from the Forest Service knew.

jimlup

(7,968 posts)
15. If you watch Gohmert's question carefully you will notice that he managed to deny AGW
Fri Jun 18, 2021, 04:53 PM
Jun 2021

while asking his absolutely idiotic question. This, I think, was actually the point. He wanted to suggest that the GW we are seeing was due to an increase in the intensity of the sun (this is scientifically unfounded but still a favorite argument of the willfully ignorant.) That is why he wanted to change the Earth's orbit. While we all recognize this as scientifically unfounded, his observes think that it was "smart" because he was pointing out the "absurdity" of doing anything about GW.

I think if we could somehow convince Gohmert that human burning of fossil fuels was actually causing GW (I realize this is completely impossible). he would suddenly be in favor of the warming.

caraher

(6,279 posts)
28. Yes, that's right
Fri Jun 18, 2021, 05:24 PM
Jun 2021

He's making an idiotic point and doesn't genuinely imagine orbital mechanics are something the government can change.

I've really been very disappointed that so many in what is normally the reality-based community has chosen to behave as if he were stupider than he is out of a desire to paint our political foes in the most negative light imaginable. Gohmert is abhorrent enough for genuine reasons. Studied ignorance of his actual rhetorical tactics just makes us look foolish.

EarnestPutz

(2,124 posts)
27. I think that the most interesting thing here is that the one degree....
Fri Jun 18, 2021, 05:19 PM
Jun 2021

.... that we have already added to the earth's average temperature does not mean that a hot 90 degree day is now 91 degrees, as many Americans think. But instead it means that the AVERAGE GLOBAL TEMPERATURE of 14 degrees (day and night, summer and winter, Northern and Southern hemispheres, high and low altitudes) has gone up a full degree and is expected to go up one more, from 15 degrees to 16 degrees Celsius.

Jilly_in_VA

(10,041 posts)
29. Can we
Fri Jun 18, 2021, 05:38 PM
Jun 2021

just shoot Louie into the sun? It would be such a nice way to get rid of him, and a one-way trip couldn't be but so expensive.....or maybe just a one-way trop to the moon, and we'll wave at him as he goes by every night. Give him a hand crank so he can change the orbit himself.

Lonestarblue

(10,138 posts)
32. We have a lot of Republicans in Texas who choose to act like fools.
Fri Jun 18, 2021, 05:59 PM
Jun 2021

Gohmert is one of them. He is a lawyer and a former judge, but the district he represents is in East Texas, which is home to the most wackadoodle nut jobs in Texas, which is saying a lot since the wackadoodle levelis extremely high here. Some years ago, a former teacher from somewhere over there was running for office on her conspiracy theories about Obama—things like he sold drugs and worked as a male stripper to pay for college. She actually won enough votes to make it to a runoff but fortunately lost in the final election. She was running for a position on the Texas Board of Education!

Bird Lady

(1,819 posts)
37. Oh Please!
Fri Jun 18, 2021, 06:18 PM
Jun 2021

He does not have the mental capacity to even read this, much less understand it. Idiots are idiots and
the harebrained ideas they come up with prove they possess double digit IQs.

“He who knows not,
and knows not that he knows not,
is a fool; shun him.

He who knows not,
and knows that he knows not,
is a student; Teach him.

He who knows,
and knows not that he knows,
is asleep; Wake him.

He who knows,
and knows that he knows,
is Wise; Follow him.”


― Arabian

eppur_se_muova

(36,317 posts)
38. Thanks for that -- I've often used the phrase "knows not & knows not that he knows not" but ...
Fri Jun 18, 2021, 10:42 PM
Jun 2021

... didn't know where I picked it up.

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