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NNadir

(33,545 posts)
Wed Dec 29, 2021, 10:54 PM Dec 2021

Here's something you don't see often, a 1905 chemistry paper cited 214 times in modern literature.

I came across this paper this evening in my general reading: Villermaux–Dushman Test of Micromixing Characterization Revisited: Kinetic Effects of Acid Choice and Ionic Strength (Pierrette Guichardon, Carlos Baqueiro, and Nelson Ibaseta Industrial & Engineering Chemistry Research 2021 60 (50), 18268-18282.)

It contains the following text:

The so-called Dushman reaction is involved in the Villermaux–Dushman system, composed of rapid multiple reactions, which has a product distribution particularly sensitive to the micromixing (mixing at the molecular scale).
This peculiar system is nowadays widely used for examining the micromixing efficiency either in batch reactors or continuous mixers. It was developed in the 1990s by Villermaux’s team in Nancy. (1?4)...

...The first kinetic investigation of reaction r1 has been carried out by Dushman. (5) Ever since, various contributions have proposed numerous scattered kinetic data, and the confusion surrounding this venerable reaction is still current...


I am always interested in iodine chemistry since it a key component of the (unrelated) sulfur iodine cycle, a famous thermochemical hydrogen cycle that is amenable to continuous flow chemistry, so, being unfamiliar with the Villermaux-Dushman test, I decided to peak into some references.

Reference 5 is this one: Dushman, S. The rate of the reaction between iodic and hydriodic acids. J. Phys. Chem. A 1904, 8, 453– 482.

The ACS posted it to the internet in 2002; it's open sourced.

This is a kinetics paper that was published when Albert Einstein was a young man still working to publish the Special Theory of Relativity.

One doesn't see papers published this long ago on kinetics cited, so I checked out Google Scholar, which lists the paper. The 2002 link says its been cited 214 times since 2002.

Cool...
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TexasTowelie

(112,422 posts)
3. It doesn't count, the original wasn't written in German.
Wed Dec 29, 2021, 11:31 PM
Dec 2021

All of the great chemistry research articles in the late 19th and early 20th century were written by Germans, so if I can read it in English then it might be used in the next toilet paper crisis.

Just kidding...

NNadir

(33,545 posts)
4. Sie haben sicher recht.
Wed Dec 29, 2021, 11:38 PM
Dec 2021

I'm so old that when I was in school, Chemistry majors were strongly recommended to take German courses so we could read Beilstein.

I'm so old I actually used Beilstein.

I'm not sure if its still in libraries; but then again, I haven't looked.

TexasTowelie

(112,422 posts)
5. The only times that I had to dig into the German chemistry journals was when I was taking
Wed Dec 29, 2021, 11:56 PM
Dec 2021

adsorption spectroscopy. My organic chemistry professor also recommended for chemistry majors to have some exposure to German because of all of the research done.

I'm still young enough to say that I won't be taking German which might be a disappointment among my relatives on my mother's side. However, none of my uncles know any German either so I won't be chastised too harshly. It would still be nice to pretend like I knew was being said if I visit a biergarten since the nearest one is in Brenham (50 minutes away) and I know of a few others in Central Texas and the Hill Country.

eppur_se_muova

(36,289 posts)
6. It's now Beilstein Database, accessible through Crossfire.
Thu Dec 30, 2021, 12:28 AM
Dec 2021
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beilstein_database

Doesn't have the same vibe as thumbing through century-old hardbacks, but it is faster. I actually have some of the older volumes, courtesy of the estate of a retired professor.

OOPS, update -- Crossfire renamed as Reaxys.

NNadir

(33,545 posts)
7. Thanks, but I can't say I'd see a use for it. The software on most mass specs these days...
Thu Dec 30, 2021, 12:54 AM
Dec 2021

...digs through more modern curated databases, from NIST and beyond.

There are tons of interesting computerized libraries and databases, most focusing on metabolomics, but certainly many that are broader.

I recently attended the ASMS meeting in Philadelphia recently and frankly my little head exploded with the advances in informatics. I always go into that meeting thinking I know a lot and come out feeling like a dummy.

I'm trying to convince my company to purchase access to Protein Metrics for glycan analysis, but I'm not "there" yet.

You have to be careful though, I concede, because you tend to believe what the software is telling you without much attention to false discovery rates.

Beilstein was fun, and I actually enjoyed taking German classes aber das meiste habe ich vergessen, but well, the young people would just laugh if we told them about it I think, leafing through those volumes written in German.

I'm so old that I remember spending hours in volumes of Chem Abstracts to find out about some compound of interest. Mostly now I live in Google Scholar.

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