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Eugene

(61,899 posts)
Thu Jan 5, 2023, 09:21 AM Jan 2023

Londoner solves 20,000-year Ice Age drawings mystery

Source: BBC

Londoner solves 20,000-year Ice Age drawings mystery

5 January 2023

A London furniture conservator has been credited with a crucial discovery that has helped understand why Ice Age hunter-gatherers drew cave paintings.

Ben Bacon analysed 20,000-year-old markings on the drawings, concluding they could refer to a lunar calendar.

It led to a specialist team proving early Europeans made notes about the timing of animals' reproductive cycles.

Mr Bacon said it was "surreal" to work out for the first time what hunter-gatherers were saying.

Cave paintings of animals such as reindeer, fish and cattle have been found in caves across Europe.

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Read more: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-64162799


Furniture conservator Ben Bacon made the initial discovery (Durham University/PA)


Dots like these from 23,000 years ago helped Ice Age hunter-gatherers survive (Henri Breuli/Durham University/PA Wire)

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Londoner solves 20,000-year Ice Age drawings mystery (Original Post) Eugene Jan 2023 OP
um. he had help. mopinko Jan 2023 #1
I watched this recently as well. crickets Jan 2023 #3
thanks for posting rampartc Jan 2023 #4
Thanks, I was going to post that Warpy Jan 2023 #7
meh. prolly lookin for the veal. mopinko Jan 2023 #9
Those people hunted full size aurochs Warpy Jan 2023 #10
Thanks for posting! Marthe48 Jan 2023 #8
Interesting. tanyev Jan 2023 #2
Thanks for posting - another article about lunar notation packman Jan 2023 #5
Real researcher says Old Crank Jan 2023 #6

mopinko

(70,104 posts)
1. um. he had help.
Thu Jan 5, 2023, 09:44 AM
Jan 2023

just happened to see this ted talk the other day, from 7 yrs ago. this woman searched cave art all over the world and found a common set of symbols that are likely the beginning of written language.
fascinating talk. dont think this guy gets there w/o this research.

crickets

(25,980 posts)
3. I watched this recently as well.
Thu Jan 5, 2023, 11:34 AM
Jan 2023

It was fascinating, and I wanted her to keep going in that "where's part 2?" kind of way.

Warpy

(111,261 posts)
7. Thanks, I was going to post that
Thu Jan 5, 2023, 12:02 PM
Jan 2023

The aurochs with calf plus four dots, I'm surprised nobody figured it out before now (I hadn't seen it in its entirety). The aurochs would have dropped the calf 4 moons past the midwinter solstice, mid March to late April, roughly when modern cattle do. I have to wonder if some herding was already taking place, the main reason you'd want to know when the calves would arrive is to know when the milk would arrive, although I can't imagine pinching it from something as ornery as an aurochs.

Warpy

(111,261 posts)
10. Those people hunted full size aurochs
Thu Jan 5, 2023, 03:07 PM
Jan 2023

There wasn't enough meat or hide on a calf to risk annoying its mama.

 

packman

(16,296 posts)
5. Thanks for posting - another article about lunar notation
Thu Jan 5, 2023, 12:01 PM
Jan 2023

“It’s an obvious timepiece,” Anthony Aveni says of the moon. Aveni is a professor emeritus of astronomy and anthropology at Colgate University in Hamilton, N.Y., and a founder of the field of archaeoastronomy. “There is good evidence that [lunar timekeeping] was around as early as 25,000, 30,000, 35,000 years before the present.”

When people began depicting what they saw in the natural world, two common motifs were animals and the night sky. One of the earliest known cave paintings, dated to at least 40,000 years ago in a cave on the island of Borneo, includes a wild bull with horns. European cave art dating to about 37,000 years ago depicts wild cattle too, as well as geometric shapes that some researchers interpret as star patterns and the moon.




https://www.sciencenews.org/article/moon-time-calendar-ancient-human-art

Old Crank

(3,586 posts)
6. Real researcher says
Thu Jan 5, 2023, 12:01 PM
Jan 2023

Glad I paid attention to him when he showed me the data.
An open mind leads to many good things.

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