This thread here... This #&^^@% thread here...

[Fix The Stupid]

I'm speechless.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1218&pid=65514

read thru this one my friends and witness the christian love....

ALL personal attacks against the OP...shameful.

So insecure in their own religion, this is the only way they can 'debate'...everyone piling on CH should be ashamed of themselves.

Where are the admins? You're telling me there isn't ample grounds to ban this mob?

Not one of the believers will answer the friggin question.

Shameful and embarrassing.

[Warpy]

1. Red meat to the pious

When you toss them anything to outrage them by pointing out their binkies are an illusion, they get mad as hell. They rely on their binkies to make them feel safe in an unsafe world.

I made my peace with this stuff a long time ago. I've never seen any evidence, therefore I don't believe a word of it. Believers are welcome to it. I just don't share it.

[Fumesucker]

2. Welcome to DU

What you are witnessing is a regularly recurring feature here.

[rexcat]

3. I kept out of that one...

I did enjoy the OP and did copy it but not worth the heartburn to get into the debate. I was involved in another thread and was attacked by a bozo and didn't care to be attacked again. The regular "religionist" paid their two cents worth of bullshit on this thread and got their underwear in a bind. Nothing new over there!

on edit - welcome to the crazy!

[amuse bouche]

4. "Not one of the believers will answer the friggin question. "

Because they can't, so they proceed with attacks and yell troll

Nothing more vile than the pious

[Rob H.]

5. Don't look for the hosts there to step in and do anything

They may say they are equally critical of both sides and do their best to keep them in check, but that's just not the case. A lot worse has been said to and about atheists there and the hosts call the believers out for their behavior so rarely that it happens just this side of never. (To be perfectly honest, I've never seen it happen, but I'm not on DU 24/7 so I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt.) That's just one reason among several why I trashed that group a while back and only rarely go there any more.

If you're going to stick around over there, remember that 'Ignore' is your friend. It can make the whole experience a lot more pleasant when you don't have to see to same people posting the same nonsense over and over.

Edited to add: It also seems as if there's been a relatively recent influx of just plain nasty, machete-mouthed believers over there lately, which has done a lot to make that group suck.

[mr blur]

7. Hell, I have

at least one of the hosts on Ignore

[Rob H.]

11. It's the blatant hypocrisy as much as anything else

There's a poster over there who must spend a LOT of time trawling the intertubes for any even vaguely anti-atheist/atheism articles he can find, and he often posts snarky one-liners as comments after the excerpts pulled from the articles. When a nonbeliever posted an article that showed religion in a negative light and added a similarly snarky comment, who should chime in to ask the point of posting snarky comments but that very same religious poster AND one of the hosts who has never once called out the religious poster for doing exactly the same thing. The double standard should be as plain as the noses on their faces, but no, it's always the nonbelievers who are the problem as far as they're concerned.

And I have at least one of the hosts on Ignore, too.

[trotsky]

13. Ha ha

I knew who you were talking about halfway through your first sentence. I've had him on ignore fr awhile now and while there are still plenty of assholes, he was probably the worst.

[mr blur]

15. Who on earth can you mean?

I can't imagine

[Fix The Stupid]

16. Yep..that one's pretty obvious...

BUT, and I mean this sincerely...

He is very anti-war. I have seen him, on more than one occasion, take on "Pro..fessionial Blue links propaganda machine" and go toe to toe with it about the wars.

I respect that. At least that is one principal of his religion he is following.

But yeah, it gets old quick.

[cleanhippie]

25. When we hold up a mirror to their faces and that react this way, we are doing it right.

[ZombieHorde]

28. The only person who was ever banned from the Religion group was a Christian.

That poster was eventually banned from DU.

If we banned everyone who made nasty comments, the group would be empty.

[deucemagnet]

29. Didn't the guy with the lame "goliath of gras" argument get banned?

Or was he ppr'd before Religion banned him?

[ZombieHorde]

30. I don't remember that argument, but this guy was banned around last summer.

Give or take.

[deucemagnet]

31. You didn't miss much.

The guy I'm talking about spammed A&A, GD and Religion for a short time last fall before getting ppr'd. I thought religion banned him, but maybe I'm wrong. He kept repeating a lame argument, then proclaimed victory and bragged about it elsewhere on the internet. His antics were mildly amusing, but got old fast.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/123011458

[ZombieHorde]

32. Wasn't that guy.

The poster who was banned was nastier than the norm for Religion. I would have voted against banning that guy from Religion because he was trying to make a logical point without being a total jerk.

[Rob H.]

34. Actually, I think you're doing a great job as a host over there

A couple of the others, though...let's just say I'm not disappointed they got blocked from posting here.

[ZombieHorde]

35. Thanks, but we really don't do very much. nt

[uriel1972]

6. Cleanhippie

You Socratic gadfly, you. You and your darn questions, all the time questions.

[cleanhippie]

26. That's not me.

Really. I don't do sock puppets.

[Curmudgeoness]

8. Welcome to DU and the Religion group.

Thicken up your skin if you choose to go there. I get too frustrated just reading posts there so I have learned to avoid it. But don't worry about CH. He has been there, done that. He is aware that there will be no answers to his questions.

And yes, it is shameful and embarrassing.

[skepticscott]

9. You can tell when a nerve has been struck

And the true believers are having to stare their irrationality in the face. I remember a very similar thread evolving when a question was posed to the effect of "If your god told you to kill your child, would you do it?" The hostility erupted, and simple, direct answers seemed to be impossible.

[FiveGoodMen]

10. The christian answer to that is always supposed to be yes

They even make a point of telling their children in Sunday School.

[onager]

12. Damn, that WAS a doozy...even more crazy than usual.

And welcome, Fix The Stupid! What you saw in that thread is the usual M.O. when the believers are asked questions they can't answer.

Lots of dog-piling on the poster, drive-by snipers with very bad aim, and the pompous twits from the Sophisticated Theology Club.

I lost count of how many variations I saw on this oldie: "Of course, I know how to rebut the points in that cartoon. But I'm not telling you, as you are clearly too ignorant to comprehend the subtle reasons my religion isn't a hoax."

As usual, H.L. Mencken said it best: "The fact that I have no remedy for all the sorrows of the world is no reason for my accepting yours. It simply supports the strong probability that yours is a fake."

[NeoGreen]

14. Why am I reminded...

...,after reading the %^$* thread, of that old song "Little Black Fly"...why is that...?

Is the "Black Fly" cleanhipie?...no?

The attackers of the OP/cleanhippie?...yes...no?

Or the questions we keep asking that really tend irritate the "Faithers"..... Hmmmm... I kind of like that one...

...persistent little buggers that never seem to go away...and can really get under your skin...

[Zoeisright]

17. That was very helpful for updating my ignore list.

[Odin2005]

18. The Stupid. IT BURNS!!!

[JNelson6563]

19. I stay out of that group.

I cannot imagine a bigger waste of time then going around with some of those people. They will *never* see anything that doesn't fit their world view so why bother?

I know some you get a kick out of the battle, as it were, but I must confess I can't help but wonder if there's not a touch of masochism involved there.

Julie

[cleanhippie]

21. Was that pointed at me?

I can't help but wonder if there's not a touch of masochism involved there

[JNelson6563]

22. not really & it WAS more tongue-in-cheek

than anything.

I can't imagine subjecting myself to the redundancy but to each their own. For all I know someone may learn something from an atheist post in religion, I just doubt it would be an actual believer.

Julie--who admires your fortitude and determination but doesn't share it

[cleanhippie]

27. Well, I just like to hold the mirror up for them to see themselves.

And when they react the way they do, I know it's working.

[skepticscott]

33. Well, you never know what people will learn

There are quite a few members who mainly read and rarely if ever post, not to mention non-members who come in to see what's being said. A lot of what I post is for people like that, and not necessarily for the enlightenment of the person I'm responding to directly (who is often beyond hope, or just shamelessly peddling lies). And there are all stripes of believers, from the firmly committed and totally brainwashed to people genuinely trying to figure things out. No one post is ever likely to change someone's mind completely, but the cumulative effect is what you're going for. Most of us were in that spot at one time, and just needed the right push.

[cleanhippie]

20. Meh, when they attack us for presenting facts, we are doing it right.

Even when they create special playgrounds that are supposed to be for everyone but turn out to be personal kingdoms where a differing opinion gets one excluded, we are doing it right.

[backscatter712]

23. They'll be in Religion soon enough...

Interfaith will get boring without the drama that Religion provides.

[cleanhippie]

24. Not only that, they will tire of seeing the queen dominate and determine the conversation.