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LiberalAndProud

(12,799 posts)
Tue Sep 9, 2014, 01:50 PM Sep 2014

Remember Hypatia.

The Vyckie Garrison video (Thanks, yortsed snacilbuper.) piqued my curiosity, so I spent some time at these sites: NoLongerQuivering and RecoveringGrace. I learned a lot about Bill Gothard. I also learned a lot about the intended role of women frighteningly prevalent in some sects of modern Christianity.

When I say to a liberal Christian, "You use the same book," that is no small condemnation. When we fail to acknowledge where the prevailing attitudes regarding women's roles come from, we do society a great diservice.

If I could change my DU handle, I would be RememberHypatia.

The last day of National Banned Books Week was waning into a listless Saturday afternoon, but I was still flush with my presentation, still fueled by the memory of a long-dead woman who had possessed my heart for the year it took me to write about her. She had lived 1,600 years before my birth, and had been murdered – by a man now deemed a Christian Saint. Brilliant and beautiful, daring and audacious, and silenced. . . brutally.

For an hour I had lectured on her life and times, and then entertained a Q&A with the audience for another hour before thanking them for turning out on this afternoon. I had signed books, I had shaken hands, and the room was growing vacant of bodies and sound.

“She should have kept her mouth shut.”
I stared hard at the well-dressed man who watched me.

- snip -

Mathematician, astronomer, philosopher, teacher, and curator of Alexandria’s Great Library. Essentially she achieved the “Renaissance man” ideal a thousand years before it was fashionable. And equipped with a sharpness of wit and tongue, she was a female Achilles when it came to debate and audacity.



My hope is that we will outgrow these dangerous ideas sometime before history repeats itself.
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Remember Hypatia. (Original Post) LiberalAndProud Sep 2014 OP
Fascinating - thanks. (nt) mr blur Sep 2014 #1
"She should have kept her mouth shut." beam me up scottie Sep 2014 #2
Arguably her death marked the end of the alexandrean greek philosophical tradition. Warren Stupidity Sep 2014 #3
I would have been one of those who did not raise my hand Curmudgeoness Sep 2014 #4
I understand. LiberalAndProud Sep 2014 #5
Flayed alive with abalone shells... AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #6
Or pottery shards ... the greek term ostracon is ambiguous. eppur_se_muova Sep 2014 #9
Statue in memory of Hypatia, New Alexandria Library onager Sep 2014 #7
That's breathtaking. beam me up scottie Sep 2014 #8
The man responsible for her death was eulogized most appropriately ... eppur_se_muova Sep 2014 #10
Man, that was putting it nicely. AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #11
Also, the Roman Catholic Church made that scumbag a Saint. AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #12
"The Vyckie Garrison video (Thanks, yortsed snacilbuper.) piqued my curiosity," yortsed snacilbuper Sep 2014 #13

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
2. "She should have kept her mouth shut."
Tue Sep 9, 2014, 03:11 PM
Sep 2014

I am not a violent person but sometimes...

I will never understand how many christians (and their apologists) refuse to admit that the bible is a huge source of misogyny.

Thank you for this post, LaP.



Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
4. I would have been one of those who did not raise my hand
Tue Sep 9, 2014, 07:20 PM
Sep 2014

when asked if I had ever heard of her. More's the pity. Thanks for posting this, I am fascinated by her.

This really caught me off guard (and I should know better):

A millennia after her death, the Renaissance artist Raphael was putting the finishing touches on his “School of Athens” masterpiece when a bishop came to see the painting.

“Who’s that woman?” the bishop asked. He needn’t have pointed. There’s only one woman of note in the painted crowd of male luminaries.

“Hypatia,” Raphael replied. “One of the greatest thinkers in history.”

“Paint her out,” the bishop responded. “Knowledge of her runs counter to the belief of the faithful. Otherwise the work is acceptable.”

LiberalAndProud

(12,799 posts)
5. I understand.
Tue Sep 9, 2014, 08:43 PM
Sep 2014

I lived several decades before I learned of her. I resent that.


http://www.smithsonianmag.com/womens-history/hypatia-ancient-alexandrias-great-female-scholar-10942888/?no-ist
Neither paganism nor scholarship died in Alexandria with Hypatia, but they certainly took a blow. “Almost alone, virtually the last academic, she stood for intellectual values, for rigorous mathematics, ascetic Neoplatonism, the crucial role of the mind, and the voice of temperance and moderation in civic life,” Deakin wrote. She may have been a victim of religious fanaticism, but Hypatia remains an inspiration even in modern times.

eppur_se_muova

(37,635 posts)
9. Or pottery shards ... the greek term ostracon is ambiguous.
Wed Sep 10, 2014, 09:26 AM
Sep 2014

The literal meaning is oyster shell, but was used to refer to potsherds, presumably because their usual concave shape resembled an oyster shell.

onager

(9,356 posts)
7. Statue in memory of Hypatia, New Alexandria Library
Wed Sep 10, 2014, 12:09 AM
Sep 2014

Stole this pic from the Internetz, but I have lots of pix I took when I lived in Alexandria. If I get ambitious I'll dig out some and post them.

yortsed snacilbuper

(7,947 posts)
13. "The Vyckie Garrison video (Thanks, yortsed snacilbuper.) piqued my curiosity,"
Wed Sep 10, 2014, 04:10 PM
Sep 2014

You're welcome, I hope more people get to watch the video and also learn about Hypatia.

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