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RussBLib

(8,865 posts)
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 02:33 PM Jan 2015

Simple poll: Are you in favor of legalizing same-sex marriage?

That is, giving it the full rights and status as hetero-sex marriage? I am wondering if there is a difference in opinion between atheist/agnostic Democrats and believer Democrats. I would expect close to 100% yes vote in this group.

Similarly, I wonder if there is a difference here between atheist/agnostic Republicans (not many of those I bet) and believer Republicans.

I am also curious what the stats would be between atheists vs believers in general.


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yes, same-sex marriages should be fully recognized by the state/feds with all rights thereto
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no, same-sex unions should not have the same status as hetero-sex unions
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Simple poll: Are you in favor of legalizing same-sex marriage? (Original Post) RussBLib Jan 2015 OP
If the state is in the marriage business at all, it should be open to all (assuming consent, age, kelly1mm Jan 2015 #1
You mentioned 'number of partners' Neon Gods Jan 2015 #8
number of partners Kevin from WI Jan 2015 #10
Here is what I found on the interwebz: LostOne4Ever Jan 2015 #2
you're fast! RussBLib Jan 2015 #3
Some interesting statistics there JDDavis Jan 2015 #9
I voted "yes"....BUT.... AlbertCat Jan 2015 #4
What I gather from your post Curmudgeoness Jan 2015 #5
This message was self-deleted by its author Pacifist Patriot Jan 2015 #14
Marriage is not a sacrament. It's a legal status. AlbertCat Jan 2015 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author Pacifist Patriot Jan 2015 #19
If your interest is "between atheist/agnostic Democrats and believer Democrats" why aren't... brooklynite Jan 2015 #6
Absolutely yes Rob H. Jan 2015 #7
No atheist would vote against freedom, would they? JDDavis Jan 2015 #11
It's already legal in all provinces of Canada. Rainforestgoddess Jan 2015 #12
And an even simpler question... onager Jan 2015 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author Pacifist Patriot Jan 2015 #15
I need to practice better comprehension RussBLib Jan 2015 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author Pacifist Patriot Jan 2015 #17
Congratulations JDDavis Jan 2015 #20
Awesome! trotsky Jan 2015 #21
On a site like this, such a poll might be meaningless, ChairmanAgnostic Jan 2015 #22

kelly1mm

(4,706 posts)
1. If the state is in the marriage business at all, it should be open to all (assuming consent, age,
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 02:39 PM
Jan 2015

etc.) number of partners and/or gender should not matter. So, I guess I vote yes, but with an asterisk.

Neon Gods

(222 posts)
8. You mentioned 'number of partners'
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 05:58 PM
Jan 2015

I fully expect a lot of "marriages" in the future will consist of more then two partners, for pragmatic reasons rather than love. I don't believe there will be enough jobs in the future to support two-partner families, and jobs will be too fluid and low-paying for two-parent families to survive. I'm glad to see you included number of partners in your list.

Kevin from WI

(184 posts)
10. number of partners
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 07:49 PM
Jan 2015

I am amazed how many people are threatened by this one. In America lots of people get riled up over this one. As long as it is consensual, I don't care if 3 men or 3 women want to get married. I don't care if 5 men and 5 women get married to each other. Let people find happiness however they see fit as long as it is consensual. Really, it's nobody else's business but their own.

RussBLib

(8,865 posts)
3. you're fast!
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 02:44 PM
Jan 2015

Ask and you shall receive. Sometimes. It depends upon who you're asking, and what you are asking.

Thanks!

 

JDDavis

(725 posts)
9. Some interesting statistics there
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 06:58 PM
Jan 2015

Poll was from 2013, so I would imagine the number is growing even more.

What I found interesting from those numbers:

Democrats as a whole group 70-28 for/against

Republicans as a whole group 30-66 for/against

What a vast difference between the two groups.

Of course, religion has NOTHING AT ALL to do with this, does it???



 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
4. I voted "yes"....BUT....
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 03:05 PM
Jan 2015

..... what I really would like to see is the government get out of the marriage business altogether. The government should only issue Domestic Partnerships....to any consenting adult couple of any race or gender. Then through that, and only that, will their children and their property matters be legal.
After that you may get married in a church, temple, mosque, Denny's....anywhere and any way you want because the actual marriage has nothing to do with the legality of your joint property, children....all that stuff.

So one can just get the Domestic Partnership and be all legal and recognized. ....and can stop there, or

one can get married too if that is important to you.

But JUST getting married will not be recognized by the government.


Why is that so hard to figure out and do?

Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
5. What I gather from your post
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 03:24 PM
Jan 2015

is that you want to separate the church rite from the legal contract. Interesting tack. This takes the argument about what "marriage" is away from the churches and religious people who are so upset about same sex "marriage".

A gay couple that I know have two different attitudes about the controversy. One says that he doesn't care if they call it a marriage or a domestic partnership, as long as he has all the same rights as a married couple. The other says that he is opposed to separating the terminology because he wants to be treated as equal to any other couple, and that includes calling the commitment by the same name. I see both sides. If marriage was only a rite performed in the church, and all couples have a domestic partnership unless they are religious and want the rite, that takes care of the problem.

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AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
18. Marriage is not a sacrament. It's a legal status.
Thu Jan 8, 2015, 10:02 PM
Jan 2015

It is both.

There is no reason to not separate the two...since religion is not the government anymore..... that's the "why" to get out of it now. (Y'know, religions are just ancient government)

"Separate the legalization of the marriage from the religious service that celebrates it. "

Uh.... that's exactly what I proposed.


Since the religious folks are the one clutching their pearls about what a "marriage" is.... let them have the term "marriage" and the government/legal part can be called the non-religious term "domestic partnership"... since that's what it is legally.

Response to AlbertCat (Reply #18)

brooklynite

(93,126 posts)
6. If your interest is "between atheist/agnostic Democrats and believer Democrats" why aren't...
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 05:51 PM
Jan 2015

...there separate lines for believers and non-believers to vote on?

Rob H.

(5,322 posts)
7. Absolutely yes
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 05:56 PM
Jan 2015

I have two friends who got married last summer in Arkansas but their marriage isn't recognized in Tennessee, which is where they live at the moment. My best friend of 25+ years is gay and I'd love for him to be able to get married and have it recognized by the state, assuming he hasn't given up on finding a good man by now, that is.

 

JDDavis

(725 posts)
11. No atheist would vote against freedom, would they?
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 08:34 PM
Jan 2015

So, really, when it comes down to restrictions of freedom to marry whomever one chooses, it's always ah ancient religion that steps in the way.

Really, that's all there is that stops or clogs up equal rights, some archaic mythology or religion.

Rainforestgoddess

(436 posts)
12. It's already legal in all provinces of Canada.
Thu Jan 8, 2015, 12:32 AM
Jan 2015

And the dominoes are falling there faster than I thought would happen.

I like the idea of partnerships as well. I knew two straight women who were suddenly single. They wanted to form a domestic partnership for tax and expense reasons, without the implied sexual baggage of marriage.

That would be an interesting option for a lot of people once they wrapped their minds around it.

onager

(9,356 posts)
13. And an even simpler question...
Thu Jan 8, 2015, 10:36 AM
Jan 2015

Are gays in this country American citizens, like myself?

If so, they have the same rights that I do, period. Including the right to leave property to their loved ones when they die...which doesn't necessarily mean their gay-hating relatives in East Jesus, Mississippi who unfortunately outlived them.

I used to work with a couple of atheist Republicans. They felt the same way - who marries who is no damn business of the State. They believed the same way about abortion, and generally hated the Religious Right. Which they mostly considered a giant festering boil on the fat white ass of the Republican party.

We argued a lot more about stuff like the Michael Newdow "Pledge" lawsuit than we ever did about gay rights or abortion. As we often read right here on DU, they considered such lawsuits frivolous and a waste of resources.

These Republicans lived in California, so maybe that makes a difference.

e.g., arch-conservative Ray Hoiles was the founder/publisher of the Orange County Register, the biggest right-wing newspaper in California for many years.

At the height of the Vietnam War, Hoiles horrified his fellow rightists by coming out against the military draft, which he called "slavery." He also wanted all drug laws eliminated, because the State has no business telling citizens which drugs they can use.

OFF-TOPIC, the Second Nativity!!! Today is Elvis Presley's birthday, and Turner Classic Movies is showing his movies all day long.

Still being jet-lagged, I got up at 5:00 AM this morning and tuned in. Currently watching "It Happened At The World's Fair." With a 10-year-old Kurt Russell in a bit part. And a cute little Asian girl, Vicky Tiu, who grew up to be the First Lady of Hawaii.

Yeah, I know, stupid waste of time. But my mother was (and is) a big Elvis fan, so these movies are part of my childhood. Like measles and whooping cough...

Response to RussBLib (Original post)

RussBLib

(8,865 posts)
16. I need to practice better comprehension
Thu Jan 8, 2015, 02:25 PM
Jan 2015

You presided over the wedding, right? Thanks for being another open-minded American.

Response to RussBLib (Reply #16)

ChairmanAgnostic

(28,017 posts)
22. On a site like this, such a poll might be meaningless,
Fri Jan 9, 2015, 05:35 PM
Jan 2015

Except for a few assholes, spammers, and lurking tea baggers.

I would be more interested in a general poll of the US. I also suspect that we'd find similar ratios among the young adults and youth.

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