If you believe in original sin you're a misogynistic asshole.

[beam me up scottie]

Blaming women for what happened in a fairy tale written by other misogynistic assholes is seriously fucked up.

That is all.

[Curmudgeoness]

1. Thanks for saying it.

That is the first place in the Bible that blames women for some perceived sin, but it certainly isn't the last one.

[beam me up scottie]

2. And they wonder why women and atheists are so angry.

[Curmudgeoness]

4. I just don't understand why more women are not atheists.

I became an atheist in part from reading the Bible from the beginning. I was an atheist by the time I hit Numbers, which I could not get through.

[beam me up scottie]

6. More are becoming atheists all the time.

I think social media has a lot to do with it, plus more and more women atheists are speaking out because we're tired of being pushed around.

[AlbertCat]

7. I just don't understand why more women are not atheists

Because women are too emotional and hysterical to live without the helping hand of a male...even one who has dropped out of all normal society altogether.



HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! GOTCHA!

What a bunch of crappy malarky I just typed. Pppppthththfffff....

[beam me up scottie]

8. Bad AlbertCat!

[Curmudgeoness]

9. I was ready to tell you what to do to yourself.

But I knew that you didn't believe that.

[tkmorris]

3. Yep, pretty much

I hate when people hide behind their fables to justify their bigotry.

[beam me up scottie]

5. The bible makes it awfully convenient to claim their bigotry is simply religious belief.

[PeaceNikki]

10. Oh, aren't you just full of the "Jezebel Spirit", bmus?

[beam me up scottie]

11. I've had a rough day.

Some beliefs really push my buttons and that is one of the biggies.

Anyone who believes that their god was justified for doing this to women is no ally of mine:

God multiplies the pain of women in child bearing.

(Genesis 3:16)--"To the woman He said, 'I will greatly multiply Your pain in childbirth, In pain you shall bring forth children; Yet your desire shall be for your husband, And he shall rule over you.'"

Why would God increase the pain of childbirth because of Eve's disobedience to Him? Some think it is an unfair penalty to make all women suffer for Eve's sin.

The answer lies in two things. First, we must understand that Eve was the means God commanded to fill the earth with people. Her union with Adam was supposed to produce children for the perfect world that God had created. But, Eve rebelled against God. Since sin brings pain and suffering, it was a natural consequence that she have pain and suffering in the very thing for which she was brought forth because she had rebelled against God.

http://carm.org/bible-difficulties/genesis-deuteronomy/god-multiplies-pain-women-child-bearing

[PeaceNikki]

14. I am with you 100%. The way Christianity mistreats women is what pushed my family away years ago.

Some of the core tenents of Christianity focus on the wickedness of women.

Women are dangerous.

“And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. But women will be saved through child-bearing—if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety. (1 Timothy 2:14-15… As a good Christian woman, the last thing I wanted was to be accused of having a “Jezebel Spirit”!! Jezebel is the bossy, bold and dominating woman, who ‘wears the pants’ in the family, and in the Bible account, things ended badly for her: “’Throw her down’Jehu said. So they threw her down and some of her blood spattered the wall and the horses as they trampled her underfoot.” (2 Kings 9:33)

This article about the quiverful movement hit me hard:
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/nolongerquivering/2014/09/vyckie-garrison-how-playing-good-christian-wife-almost-killed-me/

It's fucking evil.

[beam me up scottie]

15. What a courageous woman.

She really nails it, the wheels are good too:

Plus, I knew that as a woman, I was particularly susceptible to deception by Satan. How many times, when we were discussing an important decision, had my husband said to me, “What you are suggesting SOUNDS reasonable, but how do I know that Satan isn’t using you to deceive me?”

Well, according to the Bible, it was very likely that Satan WAS using me “And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. But women will be saved through child-bearing—if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety. (1 Timothy 2:14-15… As a good Christian woman, the last thing I wanted was to be accused of having a “Jezebel Spirit”!! Jezebel is the bossy, bold and dominating woman, who ‘wears the pants’ in the family, and in the Bible account, things ended badly for her: “’Throw her down’Jehu said. So they threw her down and some of her blood spattered the wall and the horses as they trampled her underfoot.” (2 Kings 9:33)

I wouldn’t say that my husband used male privilege to control and dominate me and the kids. Male privilege was his rightful position. As Paul says in the book of 1 Corinthians, “For man did not come from woman, but woman from man. And man was not created for woman, but woman for man.

Biblical marriage is supposed to be a living portrait of the relationship between Jesus and the church, the “Bride of Christ.” Jesus has all power, all authority which is given to him by HIS Father (the same way power and authority are given by God to earthly fathers).

… So even though I’d heard that “absolute power corrupts absolutely,” I couldn’t believe thatGod-ordained authority could be abused because “Greater love has no man than this: that he lay down his life for a friend.” Jesus had that perfect love … He was a “servant-leader” …. and husbands are commanded to love their wives as Christ loves the Church, right?

We believed that while men were “privileged” with greater authority, they also were burdened with ultimate responsibility … so a woman’s absolute dependence was really more of a hardship for the man than for the ones over whom he held God-ordained dominion.

The fact that women are still being subjugated like this in the 21st century is indeed evil.

[PeaceNikki]

18. Yeah, the whole thing is pretty powerful.

And I agree that it's unreal how it's still an issue in 2015. I blame society for allowing so much religious privilege. Americans are so fucking critical of Islam but fall to see how our own society demands religious law be honored in a secular society. It's held women and every other minority group back in so many ways. Like your OP says, these were fairy tales written by bigoted misogynistic assholes to give themselves power. It's maddening.

[beam me up scottie]

19. I'm still gobsmacked that people believe those myths at all.

I've always been an atheist and my whole life I've been going whenever I hear people admit they still believe that the stories in the bible are true.

[PeaceNikki]

20. No shit. I was raised Evangelical so they take that shit literally.

It's such a selfish and incestuous cult that had mastered mind control so well. They pass this dangerous belief system on from birth, generation after generation. Like all forms of abuse, one has to have an enormous amount of courage to break the cycle.

[Warren Stupidity]

12. yes but it is an allegory with a secret hidden meaning!

My papal decoder ring says: original sin means WONDER POPE! YAY!

[beam me up scottie]

13. Yep.

Goddamn uppity atheists, always criticizing the pope...

[nichomachus]

16. It also means

That you hate snakes

[beam me up scottie]

17. Ha ha!

I love snakes, delusional religious men not so much.

[Skittles]

21. you want I should kick some misogynistic asshole ass, beam me up scottie?

oh wait, I already do that on a regular basis; yes INDEED

[beam me up scottie]

22. Yes you do, Skittles, yes you do!

[Curmudgeoness]

23. Rug has a message for you, BMUS.

I guess he doesn't want to tell you personally, so he asked me to tell you:

"Tell her to post it here, unless of course it's there solely for comforting reinforcement."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1218&pid=212698

I didn't tell him that it was solely for comforting reinforcement, because we need that.

I think he probably also wants me to tell you that he likes you.

[beam me up scottie]

24. Tell rug I'm not up for being bullied tonight.

When I feel like being called a bigot for despising religious misogyny I'll let him know.

[Curmudgeoness]

25. You just did.

Obviously, he is watching.

[beam me up scottie]

26. I wonder if he can see what gesture I'm making right now...

If not he can use his imagination.

[trotsky]

38. He's ALWAYS watching.

[gaspee]

27. I've been saying this

Forever and a day - any woman who is a member of the big three abrahamic religions is suffering from self-hatred.

[beam me up scottie]

28. Most of the women I grew up with left the Church as soon as they could.

I guess they were tired of being blamed and made to feel guilty for being women/human.

[DavidDvorkin]

29. I thought that Adam & Eve were both considered guilty of the supposed sin.

[beam me up scottie]

30. Who ate the apple?

See post 11 for details.

[DavidDvorkin]

31. And the following verses say

17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;

18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;

19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.




So it's Adam's sin, as well, and he also suffers for it.

[beam me up scottie]

32. By forcing a human the size of a bowling ball out of a very small orifice?

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Oh wait, that's women.

"And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. But women will be saved through child-bearing—if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety. "
Timothy 2:14-15

Men were punished by getting to fuck, own women and run the world.

Yeah that was equal.

[Goblinmonger]

37. Adam is punished because he let Eve tempt him

"Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree..."

His sin starts with listening to the stupid woman.

[DavidDvorkin]

39. And her sin starts with listening to the serpent

They both let themselves be led into sin by another, rather than obeying God. It's the same for both.

[LostOne4Ever]

33. Totally agree!

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=teal]And I would like to add, if your (general "you" not BMUS) religious morals and values call on you to discriminate or deny the rights of people who have done nothing to hurt you or others then:

[font style="font-family:'Papyrus','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=6 color=crimson]Your morals suck! Your values are Evil! And your religion is a joke![/font]*





*[/font]Note to the Jury, this post is referring to religious fundamentalist like Kim Davis, and further is posted in the Atheist and Agnostics Safehaven.

[beam me up scottie]

35. Yes!

And anyone who defends the religious bigots by telling us we need to respect deeply held religious beliefs too!

[PATRICK]

36. It's a little worse than that

Nothing counts until the male does it so HE is ultimately and solely responsible- and then gets to kick the spouse around anyway. This is social conditioning more than any God in the picture. So when the male supremacy itself gets devalued by failure the universal spiteful fallback is to point the finger down ticket at the insurgent sex. No it is not too morally inspiring. Paul's overarching take, minus the bad grammar, is that everyone has been doing since the beginning of whatever. Instead of fingerpointing, help would be appreciated instead.

[Arugula Latte]

40. And you're a moron to boot.

[beam me up scottie]

41. Yup.

[mr blur]

42. That just makes me so angry!

[beam me up scottie]

43. Lol!