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Thu Sep 20, 2018, 06:44 PM

Best argument for keeping roe v wade, ever. Non-religious.

I'll mis-quote Tracy Harris from Atheist Experience:

If parents are not legally required to donate body parts to post-birth children, even to save their lives, then there sure isn't any reason why women should be forced to risk their lives carrying an unwanted fertilized egg to term, either.

And the famous "fetus doesn't have a say and never chose to be created" argument also runs aground, because the mother didn't, either.

So simple, but I've never heard it before.

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Reply Best argument for keeping roe v wade, ever. Non-religious. (Original post)
lindysalsagal Sep 2018 OP
demigoddess Sep 2018 #1
blueinredohio Sep 2018 #3
mahina Sep 2018 #2
Permanut Sep 2018 #5
mahina Sep 2018 #6
demigoddess Sep 2018 #7
ProfessorPlum Sep 2018 #4
demigoddess Nov 2018 #8

Response to lindysalsagal (Original post)

Thu Sep 20, 2018, 07:36 PM

1. years ago, I would have said that the lack of decent birth control.

birth control has improved but now we have it being kept from women.

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Response to demigoddess (Reply #1)

Thu Sep 20, 2018, 08:33 PM

3. My mother said if there would have been birth control when she was younger

most of us wouldn't be here. Sounds a little cruel but I understand her point, I wouldn't have wanted eight kids either.

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Response to lindysalsagal (Original post)

Thu Sep 20, 2018, 08:06 PM

2. Also this: we already know what happens when abortion is illegal. Women die of illegal abortion.

Ectopic pregnancy? Get ready to die.

Unviable fetus? Pretty much the same.

Itís so brutal and judgmental and horrible to women to sentance us to death in these cases, on top of wrong to make a woman have a child she does not or cannot have.

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Response to mahina (Reply #2)

Fri Sep 21, 2018, 07:23 PM

5. And poor women die at a much higher rate. nt

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Response to Permanut (Reply #5)

Sat Sep 22, 2018, 04:26 AM

6. Yes :(

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Response to Permanut (Reply #5)

Sat Sep 22, 2018, 06:30 PM

7. yes, I remember a newspaper article in the 50s about a woman who wanted

an abortion just got on a plane and went to England and got one. Poor people can't do that!! All the rich women did.

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Response to lindysalsagal (Original post)

Thu Sep 20, 2018, 09:03 PM

4. exactly right - it's about bodily autonomy

no one is forced to donate a kidney, even if it could save someone's life.

I found that argument from the same place as you did, and found it just as clear and compelling.

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Response to lindysalsagal (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2018, 08:31 PM

8. my reason is you shouldn't force someone to carry a baby for YOUR

religion. Not hers. Why doesn't the pregnant woman have a right to follow her religion? If God is all seeing, all knowing, He would have known the woman would have an abortion, so He would not have placed a soul in the zygote. I believe that religion used to say that God did not place the soul into the body until birth. So they are not only forcing their religion on others, but it is a new changed religion.

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