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Sun Feb 7, 2021, 03:23 PM

How could a political party that is so clearly, openly, objectively, evil be embraced by Christians?

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The mind boggles.

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Response to Towlie (Original post)

Sun Feb 7, 2021, 03:24 PM

1. Aren't these the same kind of people who convicted Jesus and sentenced

Him to crucifixion?

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Response to onecaliberal (Reply #1)

Sun Feb 7, 2021, 04:12 PM

9. Isaac Asimov argued that Jesus could have been executed for a good reason.

This is from Asimov's Guide to the Bible:

Jerusalem was tumbling with excitement over a provincial preacher, who was rabble-rousing the populace to a dangerous pitch. In just a couple of days, the Passover was to be celebrated and pilgrims would be flocking into the city from all directions to worship at the Temple. Excitement would reach the fever point and, fortified by the certainty of Messianic help, someone would kill a Temple official or, worse still, attack a Roman soldier. Then all would be lost. There would be a rebellion and Judea would be crushed and wiped out. What Antiochus IV had failed to do, the Romans would succeed in doing.

Indeed, this point of view is made explicit in John where at this point of the story the following views of the priestly officials are quoted:

John 11:48. If we let him thus alone, all men will believe on him: and the Romans shall come and take away both our place and our nation.

John 11:49. And one of them, named Caiaphas, being the high priest that same year, said unto them...

John 11:50. ... it is expedient for us, that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation perish not.

This last remark is often quoted as an example of appalling cynicism, but of course it is a principle that is used constantly by all nations both before and after the time of Caiaphas.

Nor can the high-priestly view be considered as overly pessimistic, since forty years later it all turned out as they had feared. The Romans did come and take away their place and their nation. It might even be argued that only because the authorities took action against Jesus were forty years of additional life given the nation.


Jesus offered moral advice that was advanced for its time but he wanted no part of what was expected of the Messiah. However, his followers thrust that role upon him anyway and it seems he was reluctant to turn them away, which may be what cost him his life.

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Response to Towlie (Original post)

Sun Feb 7, 2021, 03:29 PM

2. When God speaks to them he tells them exactly what they want to hear.

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Response to Towlie (Original post)

Sun Feb 7, 2021, 03:39 PM

3. The mixing of right-wing politics and conservative Christianity has been a toxic brew

This is exactly why the Founding Fathers wanted to create a wall between the State and Religion.

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Response to Towlie (Original post)

Sun Feb 7, 2021, 03:40 PM

4. All cut from the same cloth.

Many extremist Christian sects are just as evil as the politely parties they align themselves with. Their rabid religious beliefs are based on toxic lies, cruel and greed. They focus on revenge and retaliation to hurt people they object to. There is no interest in helping anyone or sharing the scriptures they purportedly believe in.

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Response to Towlie (Original post)

Sun Feb 7, 2021, 03:42 PM

5. Modern day pharisees and sadducees,

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Response to Towlie (Original post)

Sun Feb 7, 2021, 03:48 PM

6. Religion is based on a philosophy of blind faith

That very philosophy leaves the people open to all kinds of other crazy ideas. When applying logic and critical thinking skills is discouraged it leaves people wide open to manipulation by charismatic leaders. Anyone that is well versed in the bible can make any argument on either side of any subject, and claim to be the ultimate source of the truth.

To paraphrase an old bumper sticker, "Trump said it, I believe it, and that is the end of it."

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Response to Towlie (Original post)

Sun Feb 7, 2021, 04:05 PM

7. you are asking a self-answering question nt

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Response to Towlie (Original post)

Sun Feb 7, 2021, 04:05 PM

8. Am I a Pharisee ... or a Publican?

Bible Answers Live

“Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican. The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican. I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess. And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner. I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other” (Luke 18:10–14).


That must be where the word "Republican" comes from, the Bible.

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Response to Towlie (Original post)

Sun Feb 7, 2021, 04:41 PM

10. Over the centuries, a great deal of evil has been done in the name of religion.

Including recent times.

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Response to Towlie (Original post)

Sun Feb 7, 2021, 06:26 PM

11. For most of them it's all about abortion.

They literally think aborting any fetus for any reason is murder. They think Democrats have supported the murder of millions of babies.

I like to propose this to some of them occasionally. If they give up their guns we will be okay with making abortion illegal. Haven't found any takers yet. So their guns are more important than saving the lives of millions of babies, to use their own terminology.

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