2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWhy doesn't Sanders admit the need to raise taxes on the working class?
If he were honest and not the average politician he should definitely admit to this one unavoidable fact. At our current tax levels, which have been erroneously lowered by republicans over the years, there is not enough revenue to cover all the programs he wants even if we double the tax rate on the wealthy, corporations, inheritance and increase excise taxes. How do his supporters legitimize his reluctance to admit this or do you simply overlook how Sanders is really like every other politician who bases his ideas on populism?
randys1
(16,286 posts)levy a minor tax on everybody, very minor, and it works.
Or could work, problem is
A. not gonna happen for a very long time due to teaparty and GOP who hate working people
B. have to simultaneously do many other things...end for profit hospitals, limit profits on RX, get more docs, etc.
LiberalArkie
(15,733 posts)So that would have to be paid by each person. I don't know how they would do the children.
Then the working would still have to kick in from they pay check also like now. My prescription insurance runs me $46 a month.
My supplement to the Medicare hospital insurance runs me $167 a month. With the $167 added on, I have never had a copay from any doctor, so it is nice.
Naturally if medicare negoiated the prices for meds, they would drop pretty good. Let some other country pay full price for them.
I still do not understand why every clinic I go to has Cat scanners and all those big ticket items. They used to be at the hospital.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)kath
(10,565 posts)Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)lapfog_1
(29,239 posts)Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)it will be a reduction in health care costs.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)But thanks for rehashing that meme - I love six times warmed up plates.
safeinOhio
(32,746 posts)trade off. A small tax in exchange for Universal Health. Co-pays are killing people along with drug prices.
kath
(10,565 posts)And eliminate the notion of medical bankruptcy - an unknown concept in civilized countries.
Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)99Forever
(14,524 posts)You know, everything Hillary isn't.
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)I know of some professional fucking liars we can talk about.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)These always go well.
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)Yes payroll taxes might increase, but your insurance payment will decrease by a whole lot more. Thousands a year and you get no deductibles, no copays or any of that nonsense that can also cost thousands a year. You guys are really bad at math and honesty.
Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)are "working class".
Between my wife and I, we pay about $15,000 a year in insurance premiums and copays. That's a whole lot more than the 8.9% Bernie is talking about (we own our business, so we pay the full cost of insurance).
So, I welcome his plan.
litlbilly
(2,227 posts)kath
(10,565 posts)to be litterally laughable. many yuks yesterday or day before on the thread about Bernie's surge in the polls being due to the "data theft" - hilarity ensued!
Expect to see more of this as their desperation increases.
litlbilly
(2,227 posts)I believe this new batch of nastiness is not going to help them one bit.
thereismore
(13,326 posts)jfern
(5,204 posts)$2 trillion Iraq war she voted for.
riversedge
(70,417 posts)folks who make less than $250,000. Sanders has not and his campaign manager has said he may not put out the cost of his health care plan before the Iowas caucuses. that is not fair to the voters.
jfern
(5,204 posts)But for some reason, we never need to worry about war, that just goes on the credit card.
mythology
(9,527 posts)Even if his policy (like most any policy put forth by somebody running for office) won't make it through unchanged, he should explain how he plans to fund it.
jfern
(5,204 posts)DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)99Forever
(14,524 posts)Enjoy your visit.
elleng
(131,292 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)Welcome back!
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)So... yeah.
Autumn
(45,120 posts)LoveIsNow
(356 posts)And Hillary has repeatedly criticized him for it, pledging no new taxes on the middle class. He has argued that a broad-based tax will make the program more stable. Therefore, I would say your assertion that he hasn't admitted this basic fact is incorrect
Yavin4
(35,453 posts)All those programs are paid for equally by everyone which is why they have the political support that they do. You cannot just tax the wealthy without incurring a political backlash.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)That's going to be a tough sell, but, yeah: that's how Europe pays for the stuff they get.
in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)One Medicare supplemental plan and two private policies off the ACA healthcare exchange. Instead, we'll be paying a fraction of that.
Tuition Free University is covered by taxing Wall St. Thieves' Speculation transactions.
Infrastructure repair is paid by closing Corporate Tax Loopholes. Do you have any idea how much money this country loses every year by Corporations hiding their mega billions overseas without paying any taxes on it? BILLIONS.
If every other major country in this world (including some small, poor countries- Costa Rica & Ecuador) can give their citizens Universal Healthcare, SO CAN THE WEALTHIEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD. Sheesh.
Stop falling for their bullshit! If we can spend billions per year on wars and the MIC, our citizens can have money spent on Medicare for all! We deserve it and we're worth it! It's OUR country. The government employees work for US, we don't work for them.
PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE
Trajan
(19,089 posts)Hell yeah!
Bjornsdotter
(6,123 posts)
The nations leading political fact-checker has debunked Hillary Clintons recent attacks on Bernie Sanders healthcare plan.
According to Politifacts recent analysis of Bernie Sanders proposal to expand Medicare to all Americans under his Medicare for All single-payer healthcare system, Sanders plan would save the average household between $505 and $1,823 per year just shy of a $1,200 average cost savings. While this figure is lower than the Sanders campaigns estimate of $3,855 to $5,173 in savings, it still means American families will pay less under single-payer healthcare than they currently do under the Affordable Care Act.
Sanders plan is modeled after single-payer legislation he introduced in 2013, which outlines how the plan would be implemented and paid for on a nationwide scale. First, Sanders would impose a 6.7 percent payroll tax on employers, along with a 2.2 percent healthcare tax on those making less than $250,000 per year. Sanders includes higher percentages for incomes above $250,000 in his legislation (the richest 2 percent of the U.S. population) and a 5.4 percent surcharge on the wealthiest Americans whose modified adjusted gross income is above $1,000,000 (literally less than 1 percent of Americans). Sanders bill also includes a 0.02 percent financial transactions tax on Wall Street trading.
Trajan
(19,089 posts)It's going to be a net WIN for regular citizens ...
Is it the health insurance profits you are concerned about? ... I know I will shed a tear or two when they are bypassed by consumers ... Sniff sniff ... Poor fellas ...
Recursion
(56,582 posts)People who have their insurance fully paid for by their employer will be worse off, as will people who only get catastrophic insurance and don't really go to the doctor much. People who have mediocre insurance will be better off.
kristopher
(29,798 posts)Because it's skunk-like behavior.