DFA responds to the Clinton's lies

[Luminous Animal]

http://democracyforamerica.com/blog/949-dfa-responds-to-clinton-s-bald-faced-lies-on-sanders-s-gun-record-right-wing-attacks-on-healthcare

"While there is room for candidates in the 2016 race to draw contrasts on the issues, the bald-faced lies about Bernie Sanders's strong record against gun violence and the right-wing attacks on his support for single-payer health care coming from the Clinton campaign have no place in a Democratic primary.

"So, let's get a couple of things straight:

"Anyone who has listened to a single word that Bernie Sanders has said over the last 30+ years or seen the lifetime 'D-' rating he's earned from the NRA knows that any suggestion that he's a 'reliable vote' for some industry lobby simply doesn't pass the laugh test. I know things get heated in a primary campaign, but, honestly, talk like that is so absurdly false it's almost funny.

"Second, Secretary Clinton was right in 2008 when she said that Democratic attacks on universal healthcare 'not only undermines core Democratic values, but gives aid and comfort to... the Republican Party.' Democrats deserve better than to see her flip flop on that core value now that her progressive opponent is surging in the polls.

"We have said since the start of this primary and we reiterated it when our members voted to endorse Sanders that DFA's top priority in 2016 is ensuring that Democrats hold on to the White House. With so much at stake in this election, that's something we know all Democrats agree on.

"However, regardless of who wins our nomination, the goal of Democrats holding on to the White House in 2016 is being made more difficult every second the Clinton campaign continues to distort the facts on Bernie Sanders's strong record against gun violence and attack a core progressive idea like universal healthcare.
"Bernie Sanders and any Democrat can beat right-wing attacks when they're leveled by Republicans, but Democrats taking those same swings only hurts our ability to unite the Democratic coalition we need to win in November." --

Charles Chamberlain, Executive Director, Democracy for America

[pangaia]

1. Oh my !!! That will sting.

[Luminous Animal]

2. Looking forward to MoveOn's response.

[CorporatistNation]

29. Yes, Hillary Is Not Passing the "Laugh Test" Frequently Now As Desperation Sets In

on her campaign... So much for "inevitability..."

[TryLogic]

30. Unfortunately, what she is doing is not funny.

[Vincardog]

71. But it is laughable.

[BeanMusical]

77. +1

[lewebley3]

64. Hillary is one cleanest: and one of the most respected peole in America

Everything about her have been investigated, the American
people truth Hillary with the Presidency

[GoneOffShore]

68. Is the sky a different color where you are?

Because, although she has her fans, she is certainly not 'one of the most respected peole in America'.

In fact there are large numbers of people who would rather not vote at all than vote for her.

If, and the if is getting bigger, she becomes the Democratic candidate for President, I will vote for her. And that's the only thing I will do.

[lewebley3]

69. Wrong most people in America according to polls want Hillary for President

[BeanMusical]

79. And the moon is made of cheese.

[MrMickeysMom]

109. Two things.... Grammar check...

and fact check...

You're in a deficit of BOTH in that vivid dream statement.

You're entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts.

[BeanMusical]

80. "Hillary is one cleanest"

Good to hear that she takes care of her personal hygiene.

[lewebley3]

86. I am from Chicago: Clean in politics means: Honest

[BeanMusical]

87. No, really?

[GoneOffShore]

99. Again, what color is the sky where you are?

The only thing she's honest about is her belief that she's somehow owed the office of President.

[lewebley3]

112. No she was earning the nomination: its Sanders that thinks he's owed:

Even if he had 72 years do something for the American people
except talk in the Senate, getting nothing done.

Hillary and Obama carried Sanders water while he sat on his behind:

[GoneOffShore]

113. Earning the nomination? Really?

You know not of what you speak.

She thinks she's owed this because she was betrayed by Bill when he was in the Oval Office.

And she's been inside the Goldman-Sachs suck up (Goddamn-Sacks) circle for too long with everyone telling her that "You're the One" (so that she'll take care of her millionaire buddies if she grabs the brass ring).

She's done some good things, but she's tone deaf, she lies, she fights dirty - see her 2008 tactics with Obama - and she basically has no integrity. She's a weathervane and has no moral compass.

[lewebley3]

114. You don't know what she thinks: But she is quailed and has accomplishments

Sanders doesn't

[GoneOffShore]

115. She hasn't quailed enough.

Her accomplishments are legion and for her corporate donors, the surveillance state and the private prison industry.

Tell us what she's done to help the poor, the disenfranchised, those who don't contribute the maximum to the Clinton Foundation and her campaign.

[MrMickeysMom]

110. That's nice...

[Yupy]

106. Sure...look at the polls please. Vox populi vox Dei, sorry! Be Happy feel the Bern!

[The Wielding Truth]

119. She's the "go to girl" after Bernie. Why does she think she has to fudge her qualities?

Misrepresenting Bernie's platform on insurance reform and scrambling his record on gun safety does not make me trust her more. She's well experienced in running the government and securing relationships around the world and great on women's rights but her judgment on Iraq was costly and too - go along to get along.

She is so much better than any Republican, but I really like what Bernie is and how he has been honest and steadfast to the middle class through his entire political career.

He will reclaim Democracy from it's slide into Plutocracy by taming the uncontrolled sucking greed of wall street and honor our Constitution by undoing Citizens United and returning voting power to the people.

Health care for all is on par with the rest of the world. We will not sentence the poor to suffer and die when we are the richest and we, like all the other cultured nations, can get care for them.

With the strong adherence to civil discussion and mutual respect Our President has turned the corner in securing a safer world. Continuing that strength through smart negotiations, I believe Bernie will take us to better trade policies and wiser military moves.

[lewebley3]

121. No one misrepresenting Sanders but Sanders: Hillary is right about Sanders

[The Wielding Truth]

129. She is right if you leave out explanations of how this will be done.

[840high]

126. Check with the FBI.

[lewebley3]

94. Hillary doesn't lie: Sander is the one lying about breakup the banks

[Scootaloo]

98. "Hillary doesn't lie"?

Maybe you ought to stick to claiming she's the incumbent. Or calling Black lives matter "screaming bullies."

[GoneOffShore]

100. Crickets on that, I'll bet.

[lewebley3]

103. BLmatter are screaming bullies: NO policy's

[Scootaloo]

104. I thought KFC took the double-down off the menu

I think your version might leave an even worse taste in my mouth, though

[lewebley3]

105. Why don't you do something useful and visit the local NAACP:

They are doing something, they are working, and they
are getting things done, they have policy.

[Scootaloo]

122. we have a triple! can we get a quadruple?

[Art_from_Ark]

124. Speaking of the NAACP, they give Bernie a 100% rating

VT U.S. Senate Jr Bernie Sanders Independent 100%

https://votesmart.org/interest-group/893/rating/7072?p=2&of=

[Kalidurga]

101. Here feel better now

[MrMickeysMom]

111. She lies very well, lately...

and so does her daughter...

Let's give them a hand for telling the biggest lies on single payer/Medicare for all.

[cantbeserious]

3. Focused And On Point

eom

[Segami]

4. Thanks Luminous Animal....

great post!

[beam me up scottie]

5. And the hits keep coming.

I wonder if she learned anything?

[cui bono]

8. Really?

Do you REALLY???????1

.

[beam me up scottie]

11. Well it's been 8 years but I'm an optimist.

[cui bono]

22. That's what I love about you!

.

[in_cog_ni_to]

6. Take THAT, hiils and Chelsea! Great statement! Bernie's si lucky to have them supporting him. Ironic

that Howard Dean, founder of DFA, was just on MSNBC badmouthing Bernie's Healthcare plan.

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

[hopemountain]

13. yes, he said

he is siding with the pragmatist and not the visionary. seems he may have been promised a position with the pragmatist's administration.

[NCjack]

24. HRC offers a healthcare plan without a vision. Bernie offers a vision with a plan -- but, but, ...

it can't be done. That's because 3rd-way DEMs have a plan to keep us debt-slaves to the healthcare industries. If we can't figure out how to make a federal single-payer system, then let's copy France's system.

[hopemountain]

27. yes, there are several successful single payer models

- what the 3rd wayers and gop are resistant to are the high rate of taxes. hillary has already pointed out that bernie will tax the middle class to pay for single payer. but this is not what bernie says. his plans is to tax the billionaires and the upper echelon of the upper middle class and not the wage workers. but you, know, fear works so well for her.

frankly, i watched her angrily defend her attack on bernie. it showed me a whole lot. she definitely feels threatened.

[eridani]

40. France's system IS a federal single payer system

Where private insurance comes in is for dealing with the 30% co-pays for everything. But the book of prices for all treatments is issued by the government and applies all across the board.

[EriktheRedder]

123. From my experience

France's health care system is very good. About 12 years ago my daughter needed surgery while we were visiting family in France. She slipped on the concrete pool deck and cut her tongue really bad with the four teeth she had in her mouth at the time. Looked like a forked snake tongue. Took her to the local hospital where they put her under and stitched it up. While my wife has Swiss and French citizenship, our daughter was not registered as a French citizen at the time so we had to pay for the services (after the fact). The bill was only $1,000 US. It would have cost 10 times that amount in the US at least. Very nice hospital,very professional doctors and nurses.

[eridani]

125. The reason for the low prices is that the government negotiates them n/t

[bjobotts]

116. It can be easily done in 3mos.Medicare for all.

[Art_from_Ark]

28. "Seems he may have been promised a position with the pragmatist's administration."

Surgeon General would be my guess.

[rtracey]

50. sorry

I didn't get that from Howard Dean, who whether you agree or disagree with him is one of the truest democrats out there. He was fantastic as head of the DNC, and I personally wish he would retake that spot. Well anyway, I believe what he said was (sic) the start-up cost to make universal heathcare in the US would be a hindrance. Example, Vermont, who lead the nation in wanting Universal healthcare, they stopped due to the impact on their budget and economy...... Hawaii also stopped pursuing it. My concerns with the UHC pursuit, its not the pursuit, but the actual getting it done. As long as the right holds the house, UHC will be dead on arrival.

[dreamnightwind]

70. I think pushing for single payer is one way we can retake the House

Give the people something to get excited about. Historically and rightfully, the House belongs to Democrats, and it did, until we started letting the corporate lobbyists run the party.

I still have some respect left for Howard Dean, but it is greatly diminished these days. If you haven't already seen it, this is a good read:

Howard Dean, Now Employed by Health-Care LOBBY FIRM, Opposes Bernie Sanders on Single-Payer

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511006264

Dean, though he rarely discloses the title during his media appearances, now serves as Senior Advisor to the law firm Dentons, where he works with the firm’s Public Policy and Regulation practice, a euphemism for Dentons’ lobbying team. Dean is not a lawyer, but neither is Newt Gingrich, who is among the growing list of former government officials and politicians that work in the Public Policy and Regulation practice of Dentons. The Dentons Public Policy and Regulation practice lobbies on behalf of a variety of corporate health care interests, including the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America, a powerful trade group for drugmakers like Pfizer and Merck.

[rtracey]

90. i disagree on the reason

I believe the main reason the house is and will remain in the hands of the right wing is gerrymandering of districts, and Mr Obama was correct, until we let the people pick the Representative, vs them picking the voters, things won't change.

[dreamnightwind]

92. It started much earlier

when the Clintons moved into the White House as the DLC ascendancy was complete. Within 2 years, Republican House for the first time in many years.

The gerrymandering certainly doesn't help, but they were only able to gerrymander because they were already in the position of power, gerrymandering is just the vehicle for perpetuating and consolidating power already won.

Gerrymandering can backfire on them, if we ever get the people fired up enough to care about our party again. In an insurgent wave election, gerrymandering works against the group in power. It spreads their support to projected narrow margins of victory across many districts, in lieu of maintaining fewer districts that are more safe. So an insurgent wave election in a gerrymandered context can sweep the insurgent party to winning an overwhelming number of seats.

That is my hope for a Sanders presidency, that he will articulate an agenda that gives people something to come out and vote for. It might take a couple of years, but I think he would be exactly what it takes to bring this about. With the way the corporate media spins everything, who knows, it could all go to hell under Bernie, but I'll take my chances with someone who articulates policies that benefit the masses rather than the wealthy, that's the kind of thing that can drive a wave election, plus of course I think it's the right thing to do.

[litlbilly]

7. Wow, it will sting and it should. We dont need republican style BS in the Dem primaries.

I can't wait to see move-on's response as well. Whoever it is in her campaign making these idiotic decisions will regret it.

[jalan48]

9. She really doesn't have much to go after Bernie on.

Her campaign is geared to running against an extreme right wing Republican. She will only appear "liberal or Progressive" to uneducated voters in such a situation. When you consider that Republican's are voting on a regular basis to overturn Obamacare, an insurance industry health plan, Hillary will simply have to say she supports it and voila!-she's a liberal. Bernie has thrown her off script and she's lashing out trying to make points.

[beam me up scottie]

10. Good point, she's used to liv and really underestimated the backlash.

Now Bernie's getting great media coverage and increased donations.

[MeNMyVolt]

12. DFA and Charles can stuff it.

Going after BS on guns is fine in my book. And "right wing attacks' on single payer. I think poor Charles needs a feinting couch.

[dorkzilla]

14. Come here, let's hug it out, come on now!

Come over here ya crazy kid

[beam me up scottie]

17. Someone's in a mood.

[dorkzilla]

18. Too much arch-stay

In the ickers-knay.

[MeNMyVolt]

19. :-)

[dorkzilla]

20. There you go!

The smile becomes you!

[nc4bo]

15. Why are you mad Bro? nt

[winter is coming]

16. Not enough fabric softener? n/t

[DisgustipatedinCA]

31. Completely off-topic, but...

...nothing makes me feel so clueless as when I ponder the actual function of fabric softeners.

[winter is coming]

32. Well, it's *supposed* to make your clothing softer and less static-y,

but I think it should have some sort of tracers in it, so we can once and for all solve the Mystery of Disappearing Socks. Is the dryer a portal to another dimension?

[DisgustipatedinCA]

33. Right...but only one sock at a time goes into that other dimension.

Come to think of it, none of our candidates have addressed this.

[winter is coming]

34. All I know is that every time I do the laundry, one of the socks goes to live with Jesus.

But I never seem to lose hankies or underwear.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

35. +1

[eridani]

41. No, no, NO!!

The sock is the larval form of the coat hanger.

[winter is coming]

42. I never seem to have enough of those, either.

Natural predator?

[dgibby]

43. I thought it was the larval form

of the sock puppet, but what do I know?

[tblue37]

58. No, that's what paper clips are. nt

[Oilwellian]

75. I have read...

those socks that disappear actually turn into Tupperware lids.

[winter is coming]

76. Good one! n/t

[saidsimplesimon]

91. I swear, the drain or filter in my washer are

responsible for my drawer of lost mates. Should I mate my socks before washing?

[winter is coming]

93. So they can breed replacement socks?

[Aerows]

96. Yes, it truly is.

That is a major pet peeve of mine. I have to have matching socks. I got dressed in the dark once and was wearing one dark blue shoe and one dark brown shoe and didn't notice it until someone pointed it out to me at work. I was less disturbed by that than I would have been had my socks not matched.

[passiveporcupine]

53. For my purposes

it's the best way to get cat hair off clothes in the dryer. Without it, the hair just clings to the clothes...even after washing. Some comes off in the wash, but not enough.

Can you tell I have too many cats?

[DisgustipatedinCA]

55. I had never thought of that.

I posted in jest, but it's nice that my dumb little joke actually taught me something. Thanks!

[tblue37]

59. That's why I use fabric softener--because I have 4 cats. nt

[passiveporcupine]

61. Yeah, and cat hair color has a lot to do with it too

I have six cats, three with white hair. That white hair on clothes is nasty.

Now I'm starting to go bald (hereditary, unfortunately...my grandmother was wearing a wig by the time she was sixty and I'm 66), and my clothes are constantly covered with my own hair, like a shedding dog. It's disgusting.

Even when I use a clothes line in summer to dry things, I always toss them in the dryer after with a dryer sheet and a damp towel, to get the hair off of them (and smooth out wrinkles).

[tblue37]

63. I have a two long haired cats--a tortie and a dilute calico--so I get black, orange, white,

gray, and peach colored long hairs from them. I also have a lynx point Siamese, for white and gray short hair, and a black oriental short hair to complete the color palette.

In other words, no matter what color my clothes are, I have a complete range of both long and short cat hair to contrast with it (and with the furniture and curtains, too, of course!).

[passiveporcupine]

65. Yep, me too, but I don't often wear light colored clothes

The long hairs are the worst, and I have two long-hairs...one is orange angora which is really fine and clingy...the other is orange and white.

I have a dilute calico/tortie, a regular calico, two orange and white cats, one pale orange Anfora, and one brown tabby, so I too get a mix of colors. Then I have one yellow lab who sheds a ton, and a black and tan English Shepherd who also sheds a ton of long fine clingy black hair.

I'm just lucky my goats don't live in the house.

[tblue37]

67. My dilute calico is als an Angora, and yes, those are the clingiest hairs. My

tortie is a Maine Coon, she she has a very long, thick coat, which provides an endless supply of fur to clean up.

[winter is coming]

78. I'll have to try that the next time I wash my "forensic fleece" jacket.

It's anti-pill heavy fleece. It doesn't pill, but attracts shedded hair so aggressively that I sometimes wonder if it's surreptitiously yanking hairs out of my scalp. All I can say is that I'll never commit a crime while wearing this jacket.

[passiveporcupine]

81. Fleece is a tough one

it resists letting go of hair, even with fabric softener...but it does help. I wear a vest all the time, that is lined with black fleece (short synthetic pile), that really attracts hair. Fabric softener helps remove it, but cannot get it all. I actually avoid fleecy fabrics now when I shop for clothes. I look for quilted and padded for warmth, but silky fabrics that don't hold hair well. It's not easy to find.

[Oilwellian]

72. If you have hard water...

you would understand. I would have to iron everything without a softener.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

73. Slow down. What is this "iron" you speak of? ;) nt

[passiveporcupine]

83. I still have one, but it's an antique now

I only use it for iron on patches.

[rhett o rick]

38. Remember when the Conservative Wing of our Party told us that the ACA was the first step.

Now that Sen Sanders is ready for the second step, the Clinton campaigns not only doesn't support the second step that was promised, they are actually lying about where Sen Sanders stands.

If you are ok with 16 million America children living in poverty, vote for the 1%'s status quo as supported by Clinton.

[KoKo]

46. ...! Good Point!

[kenfrequed]

95. Exactly

We were assured that NOT going for a public option hard was somehow going to have us get to single payer through some 9th dimensional chess strategy.

Or we were told to stop whining about not getting our ponies.

Well, this time I am back for my damned pony and a goddamned healthcare pony for every child and poor person in America!

[passiveporcupine]

54. read this again

any suggestion that he's a 'reliable vote' for some industry lobby simply doesn't pass the laugh test. I know things get heated in a primary campaign, but, honestly, talk like that is so absurdly false it's almost funny.

If you really believe what you say, you've been drinking too much Hillary koolaid. Seriously, you didn't know anything about Bernie until you started supporting Hillary, did you? Everything you know now, you learned from her campaign, amIright?

[morningfog]

57. I neglected to welcome you back in November!

[BeanMusical]

82. Lol. +1

[bjobotts]

117. Then you disagree with 2008 Hillarywho said the opposite

[bjobotts]

118. Hillary is lying and hurting the party.Just makes her look bad

[WillyT]

21. HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!!

[SammyWinstonJack]

23. Yikes.

[Phlem]

25. Excellent.

There's no way I could have ever come near close to as eloquently stated by C. Chamberlain.

[SoapBox]

26. Ouch!

"...bald-faced lies..."

Yup.

And she drags he daughter into it too.

[dgibby]

44. I love the smell of

flop sweat in the morning (or any other time, for that matter), and these attacks reek of desperation.

[Scootaloo]

97. chelsea was not "dragged." She's a grown damn woman, making her own damn decisions

And this time she made a pretty damn poor decision

[libdem4life]

130. True. But even grown up children still want to please their parents. And with those parents .....

[azmom]

36. Thank you DFA

[billhicks76]

37. Clinton Family=All Liars

[emsimon33]

39. Clinton may have support from political figures but the beating heart of the party, NO!

When the feet on the ground, the grassroots soundly reject you (DFA and MoveOn), then all the money, all the lies, and all the coerced support will not get you the nomination. It is the passion and commitment of those who hold the true values of the Party most dear that will win the election.

Goodbye, Hillary!

[rhett o rick]

47. She has endorsements from the Establishment that wants to continue the status quo, not

from the People that want change.

[Omaha Steve]

45. Donate to the DFA here

https://secure.actblue.com/contribute/page/du4dfa

[rhett o rick]

48. Thank you Steve for all you do here.

[Gidney N Cloyd]

49. Howard Dean founded DFA and still has an advisory role there. Jim Dean is chair.

Interesting to see them spanking the Clinton campaign.

[Uncle Joe]

51. That's democracy for you, well over 80+% of its' members voted to endorse Bernie, apparently

the membership didn't forget where they came from.

[bjobotts]

120. Dean has sold out.Is lobbyist now.Going greedy

[kenn3d]

52. All we gotta do is stand UP

Get Out The Vote

[morningfog]

56. It's funny how Hill's camp rolled out the gun lie months after Hill's DU folks had been spreading it

Interesting. Makes you wonder about......

[Babel_17]

62. Speaking of funny, others have also been amused by the shifting stances

[Ferd Berfel]

60. Slam Bam.....

Another party telling the truth

[senz]

66. The REAL Dems are coming out of the woodwork for Bernie.

I am SO grateful that Hillary is blowing it this badly. Her campaign is probably recalibrating even as we comment.

[dreamnightwind]

74. Go DFA! Amusing to see Jim and Howard on opposite sides of this fence.

Howard's getting paid and thinks he's making wise career choices. We'll see about that.

[cascadiance]

88. I wonder if Howard was seeing what was going on behind the scenes with the DNC with DWS...

... and by his endorsing Hillary was hoping to be put back in charge of the DNC after the 2014 election disaster for most states that DWS created. I wonder how sincere his endorsement was of hers, and given that DWS is still wreaking havoc in the DNC now, I wonder if he wishes he could walk that endorsement back now...

[dreamnightwind]

89. Seen this?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511006264

Dean, though he rarely discloses the title during his media appearances, now serves as Senior Advisor to the law firm Dentons, where he works with the firm’s Public Policy and Regulation practice, a euphemism for Dentons’ lobbying team. Dean is not a lawyer, but neither is Newt Gingrich, who is among the growing list of former government officials and politicians that work in the Public Policy and Regulation practice of Dentons. The Dentons Public Policy and Regulation practice lobbies on behalf of a variety of corporate health care interests, including the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America, a powerful trade group for drugmakers like Pfizer and Merck.

[cascadiance]

108. No, I hadn't... Well, that changes my thoughts on him a lot now...

Before I was wondering if he was just playing a political game to do the right thing in the end. This latest news seriously puts those thoughts to rest in my book. I wonder what his brother has to say on this. I actually met James Dean back in the days when he was down in San Diego when we were doing the special election to replace Randy Duke Cunningham in our district then, and we had all sorts of protests the way that was done with electronic voting machines, etc. James Dean seemed like a real decent man then. I'm just wondering if perhaps that tonight it might be James Dean that's doing the endorsement for Bernie. Might explain the timing of this news on Howard as well to "balance things out" or something of that nature. The DFA endorsement, this news seem to have been coincident perhaps as a prelude to perhaps a James Dean's announcement of an endorsement?

[Ivan Kaputski]

84. Seems that the oligarchy should have picked a better candidate.

[LiberalArkie]

85. The politicians and elected people think that they are the Democratic Party. They are not. We Are.

Just like a when a CEO thinks that they are the company, they are not. The people at the bottom are the company.

The sooner the politicians and elected officials start to responded to the people who put them there , the better off everyone will be.

[RiverLover]

128. + 1 WE are!!

We ARE the Democratic Party!!

GO Bernie!!

[Enthusiast]

102. Kicked and recommended!

[GoneOffShore]

127. Here's a kick for the AM.

Can't be said enough.

[libdem4life]

131. Kick for the pm.

[GoneOffShore]

132. And another one.

This should stay at the top of the page.