2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumAre we seeing the makings of another landslide?
In '08, up until the end of September, the election looked like it would be very, very narrow - maybe '04 narrow. Obama held slight, small leads in a few swing states, but McCain was holding his own in states like Colorado, Ohio and even leading in Florida. Then the dam broke. Palin, the market crashing, McCain suspending his campaign ... it all got the ball rolling in Obama's direction. Soon, just like that, Obama was building sizable leads in leaning state and overtook McCain in states like Florida & Ohio and even North Carolina.
Don't get complacent ... fight like we're down 10 ... but dammit if I'm not having another moment of deja vu.
Pab Sungenis
(9,612 posts)doesn't come around to bite us in the ass. There's still time for Romney to turn this thing around and edge Obama out.
Like you said (and I've made my mantra for several elections now) fight like we're down 10. It's easier to extend a lead than come from behind.
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)Even so, extra vigilance never hurt a soul. It worked in '08 and it probably will again this year.
HopeHoops
(47,675 posts)Faygo Kid
(21,478 posts)The LAST thing we need is complacency. Don't underestimate the GOP. They will do anything - I mean anything - to win.
And while there would probably be a result comparable to 2008 if the election were held tomorrow based on these polls, it ISN'T tomorrow.
Unfortunately there are 6 weeks to go so it's still uncertain what the final numbers will be.
Warpy
(111,437 posts)we will indeed see another landslide.
I have a feeling they won't be able to muzzle Romney to keep him on point. I know they won't be able to do it to Ryan. As long as those entitled asswipes keep talking, people will get madder and madder.
AlinPA
(15,071 posts)bribing poll workers and vote counters, and false advertising). They (Adelson, Kochs and other billionaires and corporations) have invested a lot so far and want a result. They are going "all in".
TroyD
(4,551 posts)This is supposedly the leader of the world and the most advanced country etc.
Why is such blatant electoral theft allowed?
And why don't the Democrats and all left-wing organizations make it a major issue once and for all and get the public to demonstrate in the streets and DEMAND an end to it!?
That's what happens in other countries, so why not here?
AlinPA
(15,071 posts)abumbyanyothername
(2,711 posts)This is actually a great question and worth really digging into.
1) Other countries are less materialistic and less narcissistic.
2) In other countries, if you lose your job you still have health care.
3) In other countries, you don't come out of college a debt slave for at least 20 years, if not life.
4) In other countries, your children still go to school even if you lose your job.
5) In other countries, there is more community continuity and to borrow a term from the transition movement, resilience.
6) Outside of China, almost all other (developed -- but I really hate that word) countries are more human and humane than the USA.
etc.
Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)AlinPA
(15,071 posts)to do and obstacles to overcome (money). I'm not feeling safe until we get through at least the next 5 weeks.
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,454 posts)if voter suppression/disenfranchisement wasn't likely to occur. I'll settle for a win either way. Anyway, he won by 6% and over 300 EV back in 2008 and the Republicans didn't treat THAT as any kind of mandate. They just claim mandates when their candidates win by 2% and under 300 EV (i.e. 2004).
Just as long as it's not too close to steal, that's all that matters to me. If it's close, this election is going to be litigated to death IMHO as Republicans try to find SOME way to ensure that Romney/Ryan are installed in the WH.
Cosmocat
(14,584 posts)about the "mandate"
It is going to take something catastrophic for BO to not reelect.
I want the margin to be close to 08 to keep the meme from him not having a strong enough reelect, and also get at least a 50/50 split in the senate. I think the House is a reach, but reelecting BO and keeping the Senate is the bare minimum I want to see.
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,454 posts)n/t
Cosmocat
(14,584 posts)I with the election was two weeks from now, it would probably be a pretty good day.
But, still a lot of time for things to swing back.
I think short of something catastrophic, President Obama is in good shape.
The only question is the margin for him, holding the senate and making a big dent in the house.
Politicub
(12,165 posts)I'm absolutely giddy at the prospect of Obama's second term and having a democratic majority in the Senate and House.
fujiyama
(15,185 posts)an electoral landslide, and a solid decisive win with regards to the popular vote.
I don't see too much room for improvement, simply given the polarized electorate and relatively weak economy. It is possible though that Obama may end up running up his popular vote margins in states that are already safe or strong (though I think Obama will win both the popular vote and electoral college by significantly larger margins than Bush in '04). And it's also possible that some swing states may go to him by higher margins than '08 (VA and OH strike me as two strong possibilities).
Otherwise, I don't see anything in particular that will move the needle in say IN, NC, or MO. And I'd love to be proven wrong, but I don't see him winning any more than 52% of the vote. There's a lot of people out there that simply hate him. And most of it is simply irrational.
SmittynMo
(3,544 posts)The GOP has self destructed on a daily basis for the past 4 months. It has to be embarrassing for them. I still predict states going Dem that haven't gone Dem in decades. Its time to get the ball rolling FORWARD!!!
Let me put it his way. If the DEMS lose, I can guarantee voter fraud will be found.