2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumMessage from James Carville
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Received the following emailed message from James Careville
I spend a lot of time with Republicans -- heck, I'm married to one! -- and I've noticed something. Lately, their favorite politician is Bernie Sanders!
They tweet every poll that shows he's close and they talk up every fundraising record he breaks. Karl Roves super PAC defended him the other day, and Donald Trump has been talking about how much hed love to square off against Bernie in the fall.
Now lets think about this for a second: Why would Trump be excited to face Bernie Sanders in a general election?
Simple: The Republicans know that Hillary Clinton is their worst nightmare in November, and they'd give their left arms to see her get knocked off in the primary.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)1) They want to go up against Sanders in the general, as it's clear we won't be vetting him in the primary.
2) They believe he will cripple the economy, do very little in other areas, which would be a huge win for them.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)I don't think she thought it would be necessary. Looks like it is starting to happen now. Some quotes from Sanders and some things he has done aren't even allowed to be discussed at DU. They have been hidden over and over again. I can tell you one commercial the repubs are going to run that will most likely end his campaign. This is well known but not allowed to be discussed here. To be clear, I am talking about his own words. I believe you will start seeing more of it now that the polls are close.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)PyaarRevolution
(814 posts)I'm not afraid, tell me the commercial.
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)Thanks for legitimizing his claim that he is around a lot of Republicans and know what they are thinking.
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)Corrupt motherfucker.
delrem
(9,688 posts)woodsprite
(11,913 posts)$weasels$
musiclawyer
(2,335 posts)HRC sycophant. Talk about out of touch. Or desperation. Not sure which one
Vinca
(50,269 posts)If they can make us think Bernie would be a snap to beat, presumably we'd all work harder to get Hillary as the nominee. It seems they're actually itching to run against Hillary.
They have a lot of baggage to display every day.
The only baggage they have on Bernie is how hard he has fought for regular families his whole career.
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)TIME TO PANIC
(1,894 posts)TIME TO PANIC
(1,894 posts)either way, Trump and Carville are idiots.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)And THIS is....
Why would Trump be excited to face Bernie Sanders in a general election?
and Caravelle thinks
Republicans know that Hillary Clinton is their worst nightmare
Idiots.
Repugs have been gearing up to fight Clinton since before 2008. They don't know what to do about Sanders.
TIME TO PANIC
(1,894 posts)I think the republicans assume they're going to lose, but having to go against Sanders would destroy them down ticket as well. Trump is clueless and just running to feed his massive ego.
tech3149
(4,452 posts)Carville might have been a good source in another decade, but this ain't then.
He can keep on selling this shit but more and more people are starting to understand who and how they are being fucked.
John Poet
(2,510 posts)I don't care to hear anything from that traitor Carville, who screwed John Kerry and the whole Democratic party in the 2004 election by blabbing private Kerry campaign info to his wife, who promptly reported it all to Bush/Rove...
He should just shut the fuck up. Permanently.
scottie55
(1,400 posts)Republicans who want to help the rich keep robbing you, or Sanders who wants to give your family a fighting chance, affordable health care, and free college tuition.
Gonna be a tough call.
Republicans are scared to death to run against someone that actually represents "We the People".
The only question remaining is will Bernie win all 50 states?
madokie
(51,076 posts)hide and watch. It's coming
wilsonbooks
(972 posts)Congratulations on the 2 big Dem wins in Oklahoma.
PyaarRevolution
(814 posts)As well as many others. Regarding Hillary she has NO chance of winning KS and I'm sure most of the Hillary supporters will say it doesn't matter.
You bet your ass it matters. Bernie taking most, if not all, of the swing states along with some of the states Republicans thought were a lock will have an effect. Well then it will be time to sit up and take notice, for the Republicans and the DNC in general. Especially with the former we better steer hard against the voter fraud measures they try to jinn up after this because, BELIEVE ME, they will take these actions.
delrem
(9,688 posts)sheee...it. What's this place coming to.
Kall
(615 posts)The Democratic establishment is going with the secret Machiavellan plot theory to explain why people say they don't like the candidate who 60% of Americans report they view as untrustworthy, after 23 years of her in the public eye?
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)reformist2
(9,841 posts)mmonk
(52,589 posts)NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)Wonder why he didn't mention that in his message to you....hmmmmm
madokie
(51,076 posts)He as well as that woman he is married to is Nuts. She is batshit crazy as well as he is.
I wouldn't give two shits for what either of them think, not even one actually
He thinks he so cool that he can con us into this kind of bullshit thinking, well fuck him with a 4x4 studded with rusted nailes
highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)SoLeftIAmRight
(4,883 posts)at the Bartcop gathering in DC
he is not a friend to real left issues
delrem
(9,688 posts)And he and his wife have neatly divided up the stupid suckers.
The quintessential MSM pundits.
immoderate
(20,885 posts)--imm
draa
(975 posts)They pit both sides of the political spectrum against each other just to keep crooks in power. It's a game they've been playing for years. The only losers are American workers.
They're as corrupt as the parties or politicians they represent. And the day I care about what Carville thinks is the day I eat a chunk of lead. Fuck him.
CharlotteVale
(2,717 posts)m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)I think in between going back and forth with Bill Clinton when Clinton needed sleazebaggery done he was helping republicans, I could be wrong!
closeupready
(29,503 posts)What else would he say?
Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)Hell, Howard Dean has gone over to the Dark Side. god knows what muck this guy is in.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)What a knob.
azmom
(5,208 posts)DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)The republicans also know that Hillary would motivate a lot of their base to get out and vote, to as Lucianne Goldberg said , to "march barefoot on broken glass" if need be to settle the old scores they have against her. Hey Carville, still apologize for all the nasty stuff you said about Obama in 2008?
Indepatriot
(1,253 posts)Your days of political relevance were over 10 years ago, just like Hillary's. Go home and dine with the crypt keeper.
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)There's something so dated about him.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)Go Vols
(5,902 posts)According to a December 22, 2015 article in The Hill titled In blockbuster poll, Sanders destroys Trump by 13 points, Bernie Sanders would achieve a "landslide of epic proportions" against The Donald. The article explains that within "the new Quinnipiac poll, Clinton would defeat Trump by 7 percentage points... while the Sanders lead of 13 points would bring a landslide of epic proportions." In October, I wrote an article titled Bernie Sanders Defeats Trump By a Wider Margin Than Clinton in a General Election, when polls months ago dispelled the myth that Hillary Clinton could perform better than Sanders on a national stage.
As for why Bernie Sanders defeats Trump by a wider margin, there are numerous reasons, however all of these explanations narrow down to one central theme in 2016. Because of Clinton's negative favorability ratings and ties to Trump, I explain why only Sanders can defeat him in this YouTube video.
If voters want a conservative on war, foreign policy, and Wall Street, they'll vote for a Republican, not a "moderate" Democrat with neoconservative advisers. This isn't the 90's and progressive values aren't a liability to the Democratic Party. Ending mass incarceration and wealth inequality are mainstream issues, and gay marriage is a right, despite the convenient evolution (Clinton opposed gay marriage up until 2013) of certain Democrats.
As for mass incarceration, Hillary Clinton accepted campaign donations from two major prison lobbyists, but will now apparently donate this money to charity. Because a moderate Democrat like Clinton needs to continually evolve from a conservative viewpoint to a progressive stance (I highlight why Clinton evolves so often in this YouTube segment), truly moderate voters, or conservative-leaning independents, would more likely choose Trump.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-goodman/bernie-sanders-destroys-donald-trump-by-13-points-6-more-than-clinton-_b_8936840.html
Alfresco
(1,698 posts)AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)You mean for the past 2 decades?
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)If he says something, I believe the opposite. He is the perfect reverse barometer.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)(to know what they are up to), all their top pundits are pushing the "hillary is the nom" meme. why? because they are DYING to run against her. they can read polls. bernie will wipe the floor with any of the repubs, while hillary will very likely lose, and they will have a grand time making her life hell.
they are dismissing bernie now more than ever, which tells me they do NOT want to run against him. they can tell where the wind is blowing in this country. the revolution is coming.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Interesting to read some of the comments again. Car I'll has been around for a while, has seen campaigns up close, does interact with Republicans mostly because he is married to a strong Republican, she also know she is married to a strong Democrat.
Mike Nelson
(9,954 posts)...claims. Agree most Republicans would love to run against Bernie. Don't agree with Hillary being their "worst nightmare." They think she's the likely nominee... I think they believe she would be difficult, but see defeating her as quite possible.
baldguy
(36,649 posts)ChiciB1
(15,435 posts)I have Republican, Independent and NPA friends and THEY too are gravitating toward Bernie, not all of them to be truthful but some are. They can't stand what's being offered up to them on their side.
I also think this IS a manufactured ATTACK AD comparing Bernie with Trump! Keep it up, fighting this way against Bernie is going to backfire! If they want to support him it could be that they've begun to see Trump's an empty suit with nothing more to offer than braggadocio without policies with substance.
Having said that, I'm NOT SURE I really believe these "R's" are Trump supporters. How would anyone really know? I want to see a link with ONE person saying this OUT LOUD! I suspect there are very, very few, if any. I call this a load of CRAP!
Autumn
(45,071 posts)Never mind. I gave a shit what that weasel said for 2 seconds but it passed.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)The gop wants to run against Sanders.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Oh the irony.