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Samantha

(9,314 posts)
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 03:59 PM Jan 2016

While watching Rachel Maddow interview Hillary Clinton, I heard one remark Rachel made

Last edited Fri Jan 15, 2016, 07:53 PM - Edit history (1)

that will always stay with me. While discussing the subject of Hillary impugning Bernie Sander's character, Rachel suddenly exclaimed:

"He doesn't have a single enemy in Washington."

Hillary blinked. She knew immediately she had no answer for that statement. Here from where I sit inside the Beltway, I can tell you that is indeed a stunning statement for a commentator to make about a politician running for President. I have never seen or heard the likes of this in the decades I have been following politics. It is almost impossible to function in the political arena and attain one's goals without making enemies. Yet he has not one.

Honesty is a rare commodity in our political world. One cannot buy it, one cannot bargain for it, it must be inherent in one's psychological makeup. Bernie Sanders is an awe-inspiring example of what our government could be like if only we work hard enough to put people with his character in the Oval Office.

Sam

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While watching Rachel Maddow interview Hillary Clinton, I heard one remark Rachel made (Original Post) Samantha Jan 2016 OP
If he wins the nomination, he will suddenly rank up there with President Obama... Human101948 Jan 2016 #1
What can I say -- Republicans prevaricate Samantha Jan 2016 #4
What can I say: Sander is a fraud on Health Care lewebley3 Jan 2016 #192
I know we can't have a reasonable back and forth on this but rynestonecowboy Jan 2016 #195
Take a moment and go read his proposed bill. All of it. You'll find very quickly he's no fraud Bubzer Jan 2016 #198
His proposed bill was reject 9 times: he didn't have away to work it or lewebley3 Jan 2016 #199
If Bernie wins the election, his stature and message will be greatly magnified, his mandate Uncle Joe Jan 2016 #200
You called him a fraud, without back up your statment. Read the bill. Bubzer Jan 2016 #204
Sanders put hundreds bills forward: that he knows will not get any votes. lewebley3 Jan 2016 #205
I think you're confused. Bubzer Jan 2016 #209
HIllary got something done for the people of Michigan: Sanders sat on his behind lewebley3 Jan 2016 #211
Perhaps one day you'll understand your opinion is insufficient as a viable argument. Bubzer Jan 2016 #212
I did read it enid602 Jan 2016 #201
But Bernie stepped out two days and denied this was true Samantha Jan 2016 #210
WOW. ...and this is the guy without an enemy. bvar22 Jan 2016 #12
WOW. ...and Ted Cruz is without a friend! SharonAnn Jan 2016 #202
So? daleanime Jan 2016 #21
It will be easy to find people who don't like him at that point... Human101948 Jan 2016 #46
At the risk of being boring.... daleanime Jan 2016 #50
+1 Paka Jan 2016 #63
I made a simple observation...I was not promoting one over the other... Human101948 Jan 2016 #65
Who fighting? If you can't handle answering the question.... daleanime Jan 2016 #66
Post removed Post removed Jan 2016 #69
More characteristic of a judgement...a view into the future judgment, at that. libdem4life Jan 2016 #68
Republicans will great Bernie as a hero and throw flowers? Human101948 Jan 2016 #70
Greet catnhatnh Jan 2016 #90
Not entirely true, I know some Republicans that think Bernie is great, but probably no flowers. A Simple Game Jan 2016 #116
+1. bvf Jan 2016 #75
In the immortal words of George W. Bush* Samantha Jan 2016 #85
+100 rynestonecowboy Jan 2016 #196
The republicans have alientated everyone who is NOT white, and half of all women. onecaliberal Jan 2016 #61
They can if they cheat. PyaarRevolution Jan 2016 #127
Well then... malokvale77 Jan 2016 #88
Republicans could not exist without fear and hate... Rockyj Jan 2016 #110
Oooooh ... Republican hatred of Liberals ... I am shocked Trajan Jan 2016 #129
So on The Other Hand, Are You Suggesting That Dems Nominate Someone of Less Than CorporatistNation Jan 2016 #183
Gosh Republicans do that to Democratic candidates? I never knew Armstead Jan 2016 #207
I don't give a damn what republicans think. That is all roguevalley Jan 2016 #48
I'm not worried. They threw everything they had at Obama and lost TWICE.... Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2016 #71
and thousands and thousands of Republicans will VOTE FOR HIM TOO! Ferd Berfel Jan 2016 #91
Sanders will never rank with Obama ever; He's a fraud lewebley3 Jan 2016 #189
You've said that a couple of times now in this thread EvolveOrConvolve Jan 2016 #197
And they will declare Clinton as a Liberal Monster Armstead Jan 2016 #206
Well Rachel,... Segami Jan 2016 #2
Now pay attention Segami! Bernie has no enemies, Hillary and Bill have an enemies list Samantha Jan 2016 #8
But no Rumor Marty McGraw Jan 2016 #22
Yes,..I'm aware of their famous Segami Jan 2016 #25
Shades of Nixon. nt malokvale77 Jan 2016 #94
Sanders is not evern supported by people know him Senator Leah of VT lewebley3 Jan 2016 #191
I make typing errors myself....But can you at least try to get the guy's name right? Armstead Jan 2016 #208
Anyone Who Works Hard and Gets Things Done LeFleur1 Jan 2016 #194
An excellent response if she was prepared to lie. Obviously. she didn't think of it. Gary 50 Jan 2016 #41
but, didn't she already answer that question in the first debate ... ah! Hiraeth Jan 2016 #150
Pretty sure she said that to Chris Hayes afterwards. Don't have the transcript though emulatorloo Jan 2016 #3
No, I saw that interview. Rachael said it to Hillary, and she was caught flat-footed, stunned 99th_Monkey Jan 2016 #11
That was my impression, 99th_Monkey Samantha Jan 2016 #20
As I recall Rachel added smthg. about Bernie's favorability in Vermont also. To which appalachiablue Jan 2016 #34
Hillary tried to use Obama ties to Wall St as her excuse INdemo Jan 2016 #73
Nope, to Hillary. Link to video here: Motown_Johnny Jan 2016 #24
Thanks!!!!! emulatorloo Jan 2016 #26
Thanks!! tecelote Jan 2016 #35
And very few enemies in the Republican party either. LiberalArkie Jan 2016 #51
Wow... malokvale77 Jan 2016 #99
Maybe it means they don't hate their fellow Democrats rbrnmw Jan 2016 #115
Maybe you didn't get my post. It's OK. nt malokvale77 Jan 2016 #121
They are not enemies Motown_Johnny Jan 2016 #139
I'll buy that. malokvale77 Jan 2016 #143
Huh Oilwellian Jan 2016 #5
Yep, some have been saying it for months senz Jan 2016 #17
Especially chervilant Jan 2016 #59
Great post, but maybe change the title. Motown_Johnny Jan 2016 #6
With an 83 percent approval rating, Bernie Sanders is the most popular Senator in DC Samantha Jan 2016 #18
Feel free to add that little tidbit in. Motown_Johnny Jan 2016 #23
That's huge... malokvale77 Jan 2016 #104
I suspect that statement by Rachel was ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #7
lol, shall I invoke that tired "under the bus" meme now? senz Jan 2016 #13
How is that throwing Rachel under the bus? eom. 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #37
It seemed off the cuff but indeed she said it very passionately Samantha Jan 2016 #15
I agree with all three points ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #38
Rachel Maddow is in the tank for Sanders. She uses kid gloves with him and then goes after BlueCaliDem Jan 2016 #29
I saw the interview and didn't think Rachel asked a single Gotcha question ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #40
Arguably, BlueCaliDem Jan 2016 #87
LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #96
Well... malokvale77 Jan 2016 #107
Hahahaha! BlueCaliDem Jan 2016 #154
"..... this was an impromptu interview. ..." pangaia Jan 2016 #53
Any question that does not appear on HRCs Talking Points, is a...take your pick... libdem4life Jan 2016 #78
Yes BlueCaliDem Jan 2016 #86
FFS... malokvale77 Jan 2016 #111
FFS BlueCaliDem Jan 2016 #151
? malokvale77 Jan 2016 #153
Well SOMEONE has to balance Chris Matthews' sycophant ass. cherokeeprogressive Jan 2016 #140
"An excellent man" Uncle Joe Jan 2016 #36
This was a great read, Uncle Joe Samantha Jan 2016 #97
... Uncle Joe Jan 2016 #98
You should make this an OP. nt malokvale77 Jan 2016 #112
LOL, nice try! nt Logical Jan 2016 #72
Doesn't have any friends? passiveporcupine Jan 2016 #80
Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #89
In a political world that is based on quid pro quo and favors, yes passiveporcupine Jan 2016 #131
Okay. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #134
If by friends you mean like the billionaire kind that are "friends" of H. Clinton. I think rhett o rick Jan 2016 #81
No ... In mean friends like these ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #93
While Americans in the 99% were losing a total of 5 Trillion dollars between 2000 and 2015 rhett o rick Jan 2016 #155
The Washington Establishment loves Bernie! firebrand80 Jan 2016 #9
Another reason why Bernie CAN make a difference for our country. senz Jan 2016 #10
They "liked" BHO plenty when he was the underdog to hillary Cosmocat Jan 2016 #27
How would Rachel know that? If Hillary knows of some "enemies" should she have said their names? I livetohike Jan 2016 #14
Rachel was out for "gotcha", but she went up against a strong opponent - and lost. BlueCaliDem Jan 2016 #31
I suspect there are a lot of Democrats that wouldn't cross the street to greet him, either. eom 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #42
I suspect there are a lot as well. JonLeibowitz Jan 2016 #55
And, or but, that's not a good thing ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #58
yes, it is a good thing we agree he has plenty of friends on the democratic side JonLeibowitz Jan 2016 #62
LOL ... You're correct I meant to type "WOULDN'T" ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #74
One's reputation in Washington follows him or her everywhere Samantha Jan 2016 #95
Just FYI should he become the nominee that will change really quickly. Agschmid Jan 2016 #16
Don't think as much Marty McGraw Jan 2016 #28
I think he is ready for that Samantha Jan 2016 #100
Elections typically aren't. It's unfortunate but it is what it is. Agschmid Jan 2016 #103
Bernie Is The Ideal scottie55 Jan 2016 #19
Yes, when Bernie references he typically gets 25 percent of the Republican votes in Vermont Samantha Jan 2016 #101
Thanks for an uplifting post, Sam. I wish Duval Jan 2016 #30
"He doesn't have an enemy in the world in the Democratic Party"... Segami Jan 2016 #39
Yuck... malokvale77 Jan 2016 #117
Disgusting Enthusiast Jan 2016 #167
Thank you, Duval Samantha Jan 2016 #105
And Hillary has thousands/millions of enemies . in_cog_ni_to Jan 2016 #32
"He doesn't have a single enemy in Washington." The Money Shot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Dont call me Shirley Jan 2016 #33
...In the Democratic Party. The OP did not give an exact quote. Motown_Johnny Jan 2016 #43
Still......The Money Shot!!!!! Dont call me Shirley Jan 2016 #45
But virtually no friends or supporters either. Almost all colleagues Hortensis Jan 2016 #171
Bernies colleagues will get on the Bernie endorsement bandwagon. Dont call me Shirley Jan 2016 #175
Many will back the eventual winner, yes, whoever it is. Hortensis Jan 2016 #188
HRC on the ropes... and she knows it... modestybl Jan 2016 #44
He doesn't have many FRIENDS, either. MADem Jan 2016 #47
Oh, I didn't realize this was pre-school recess. JonLeibowitz Jan 2016 #57
It's not. That's probably why you didn't realize it. MADem Jan 2016 #76
Based on the OP, hoe can you tell? Beacool Jan 2016 #84
Super Delegates can change their mind at the last minute Samantha Jan 2016 #106
You hold on to that hope. nt MADem Jan 2016 #113
No, it's not. Grantcart and others here had a running count of super delegates last go around stevenleser Jan 2016 #168
"As evidenced by his super delegate list." malokvale77 Jan 2016 #119
That's just not an accurate comparison. Obama had nearly seventy super delegates at this point in MADem Jan 2016 #122
History is a funny thing. malokvale77 Jan 2016 #126
You don't understand how the convention works? MADem Jan 2016 #135
Because I'm too stupid, right. nt malokvale77 Jan 2016 #136
I responded to you politely. I even gave you links so you could a) Educate yourself, and MADem Jan 2016 #138
My experience with you has been... malokvale77 Jan 2016 #141
In what way was I rude to you? I took pains to explain every detail to you so you would not be MADem Jan 2016 #142
"left in a muddle" malokvale77 Jan 2016 #145
You are DETERMINED to take offense. MADem Jan 2016 #146
I take no offense for myself. malokvale77 Jan 2016 #147
What does that even mean? MADem Jan 2016 #148
What? malokvale77 Jan 2016 #149
"You're" the one who needs to "let it go." MADem Jan 2016 #152
You've found the formula. nt DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2016 #177
You stir the pot. nt MADem Jan 2016 #181
If in fact Clinton loses the primaries and is nominated by super delegates that would be a Warren Stupidity Jan 2016 #170
+1 121xGigawatts Jan 2016 #172
But she won't 'lose the primaries.' No need to worry. nt MADem Jan 2016 #173
So your stuff about super delegates was Warren Stupidity Jan 2016 #174
So, do I have to explain the way the conventions work? MADem Jan 2016 #180
But as you said that will never happen. And yet there you were 'splaining us how Warren Stupidity Jan 2016 #187
Oh, now you're just getting all nitpicky. MADem Jan 2016 #193
Good post! fbc Jan 2016 #49
Simple compliments on a thread here are like a pot of gold! Samantha Jan 2016 #108
Bernie Smith? Mr smith in Washington?! Nt Lucky Luciano Jan 2016 #52
Kickin' with gusto! Faux pas Jan 2016 #54
I suspect what was probably going through her head was... MoonchildCA Jan 2016 #56
Hillary really doesn't get it! raindaddy Jan 2016 #60
Absolutely Correct. INdemo Jan 2016 #82
Yes raindaddy... malokvale77 Jan 2016 #124
He has no enemies just like Obama didn't have any before he became the nominee. Beacool Jan 2016 #64
It is much more sophisticated voting population out there now Samantha Jan 2016 #109
You mean the electorate that has Trump as the GOP front runner now?! No, they aren't... uponit7771 Jan 2016 #162
The practice of ageism is a very unattractive thing -- it is a discrimination Samantha Jan 2016 #120
Yes, yes and yes. malokvale77 Jan 2016 #128
Even that's not a fair comparison stevenleser Jan 2016 #169
Clinton's lies indicate he's someone to be taken very seriously. DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2016 #179
Clinton has a chance. Bernie has no chance of anthing other than handing stevenleser Jan 2016 #184
Clinton's lies indicate he's someone to be taken very seriously. DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2016 #185
Plonk stevenleser Jan 2016 #186
The implication is what, with no enemies, Bernie will have smooth sailing in the general election? Justice Jan 2016 #67
That is not at all what the implication in my thread is Samantha Jan 2016 #114
Bill and Hillary Clinton have 'enemies list' of those who supported Obama in 2008 INdemo Jan 2016 #77
Do you believe every RW talking point? Beacool Jan 2016 #79
There is also a list with pictures even. INdemo Jan 2016 #83
I knew about that list but have never read it Samantha Jan 2016 #123
If you don't have a single enemy in Washington DC... anigbrowl Jan 2016 #92
I am not at all sure your comparison is applicable here, but I do have to ask Samantha Jan 2016 #125
+++DING DING DING+++ I don't think that comment helped Sanders the way this thread is being uponit7771 Jan 2016 #163
I would be astonished if some of the childish asshole teaparty newcomers dont dislike randys1 Jan 2016 #102
Truthfully... malokvale77 Jan 2016 #130
That is pretty true, malokvale77 Samantha Jan 2016 #133
Perfect... malokvale77 Jan 2016 #137
I love dogs as well, malokvale, cats, most animals really Samantha Jan 2016 #157
If Bernie wins Iowa and New Hampshire... Mike Nelson Jan 2016 #118
We're past the sharpening phase. The GOP has an entire plan of attack ready if stevenleser Jan 2016 #203
Nor does Bernie have any Fellow Senator Endorsements lobodons Jan 2016 #132
I believe you know as well as I that that is political and not personal Samantha Jan 2016 #144
Given the fact that DC has digressed into corrupt cesspool that's a badge of honor raindaddy Jan 2016 #156
Hillary supporters are already spinning this to be a negative Kalidurga Jan 2016 #158
If Bernie does not fight hard for what he wants Samantha Jan 2016 #160
This doesn't have to be spun, you don't have GOP enemies in Washington then you're persona non uponit7771 Jan 2016 #164
Bernie is evolved. Bernie is a true "Mensch." JDPriestly Jan 2016 #159
How is that supposed to be a good thing knowing the GOP these days? I don't think that helped him... uponit7771 Jan 2016 #161
I am not sure exactly what you are saying Samantha Jan 2016 #165
Surely some clarification is in order. nt slipslidingaway Jan 2016 #166
Sanders authenticity is what propells him. Nothing can alter that truth. ViseGrip Jan 2016 #176
Honesty and integrity. If only corporate investors could buy it. raouldukelives Jan 2016 #178
Hear, hear!!! Stellar Jan 2016 #182
Thanks for posting this article Samantha Jan 2016 #190
 

Human101948

(3,457 posts)
1. If he wins the nomination, he will suddenly rank up there with President Obama...
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 04:01 PM
Jan 2016

Thousands and thousands of Republicans will declare him the Socialist Satan.

 

rynestonecowboy

(76 posts)
195. I know we can't have a reasonable back and forth on this but
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 01:19 PM
Jan 2016

with all the evidence that HRC has supported single payer for her entire career up until this election why would her supporters keep bringing up healthcare when she has obviously stepped right in it on this issue? How can every other industrialized nation in the world have universal healthcare, and has worked for decades, all of a sudden not be able to work in the wealthiest and greatest country in the world. I'm sorry but I love this country more than anything and things such as letting insurance company crooks tell me how much I owe them and what they will and won't cover is a disgrace.

Uncle Joe

(59,202 posts)
200. If Bernie wins the election, his stature and message will be greatly magnified, his mandate
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 03:56 PM
Jan 2016

will be crystal clear to any political opposition.

The political dynamic in the Congress will change as result and for those still foolish enough to stand in the way, many will bite the dust in 2018.

Bubzer

(4,211 posts)
204. You called him a fraud, without back up your statment. Read the bill.
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 07:53 PM
Jan 2016

You'll find very quickly how wrong you are.
"His proposed bill was reject 9 times" according to who exactly? You frequently post garbage and virtually never back up your BS.
As you've been told in the past; link or slink.

 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
205. Sanders put hundreds bills forward: that he knows will not get any votes.
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 01:27 PM
Jan 2016


He has never accomplished anything in the Senate but talk, he
is a fraud.

Bubzer

(4,211 posts)
209. I think you're confused.
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 06:50 PM
Jan 2016

"He has never accomplished anything..." *snip* "...but talk" or projecting. I'm gonna go with option b.

Bubzer

(4,211 posts)
212. Perhaps one day you'll understand your opinion is insufficient as a viable argument.
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 05:14 PM
Jan 2016

Until then... bye!

enid602

(8,813 posts)
201. I did read it
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 04:45 PM
Jan 2016

Remember though, if the SC overturns any part of it, the rest of the provisions are still in effect. According to 'The People's View,' a liberal blog:

"If courts invalidate just that part of a hypothetical Sanders law, remember that the remainder of the bill would remain in effect. In other words, if the courts block a federal authority to set up a health insurance body in a state in which it is unwelcome, the defunding of Medicaid, Medicare, CHIP, and ACA exchanges remain in full effect, leaving the residents of those states - including their elderly citizens - with only private insurance as an option for health coverage."

http://www.thepeoplesview.net/main/2016/1/15/chelsea-clinton-was-right-everyones-health-care-is-threatened-under-bernies-plan

Samantha

(9,314 posts)
210. But Bernie stepped out two days and denied this was true
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 08:20 PM
Jan 2016

So if you ask who do I believe, Chelsea or Sanders, it is his plan and I believe he knows it as well as the potential consequences more thoroughly.

But thanks for kicking my thread.

Sam


bvar22

(39,909 posts)
12. WOW. ...and this is the guy without an enemy.
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 04:12 PM
Jan 2016

Just imagine what they will do to Hillary who will also be called a "Socialist".
Especially NOW that she has "evolved" on so many issues that Sanders has introduced to the campaign.
She has given them so much ammo.

 

Human101948

(3,457 posts)
46. It will be easy to find people who don't like him at that point...
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 05:01 PM
Jan 2016

even though he may at this time be liked by everyone. So Rachel's point, though true at this moment will not be true after he is nominated. And at that point his character will mean nothing because if the Republicans can't find anything significant in his background, they will just it up and hate him anyway.

daleanime

(17,796 posts)
50. At the risk of being boring....
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 05:13 PM
Jan 2016

so?

I understand that republicans are going to officially hate anyone who is nominated, that's how they're attempting to hold on to power, what I don't get is two fold.

1-Why that should even enter our thought processes?

2-If we were concerned about it, why would be be better to go with someone who's already hated over someone who isn't?

 

Human101948

(3,457 posts)
65. I made a simple observation...I was not promoting one over the other...
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 05:49 PM
Jan 2016

The infighting here is getting a bit tiresome.

daleanime

(17,796 posts)
66. Who fighting? If you can't handle answering the question....
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 05:53 PM
Jan 2016

don't. Very easy and pain-free. Have a great day.

Response to daleanime (Reply #66)

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
68. More characteristic of a judgement...a view into the future judgment, at that.
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 06:00 PM
Jan 2016

Truth is, no one knows.

A Simple Game

(9,214 posts)
116. Not entirely true, I know some Republicans that think Bernie is great, but probably no flowers.
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 08:40 PM
Jan 2016

What's that... they meant greet? No matter what I said is still true.

Samantha

(9,314 posts)
85. In the immortal words of George W. Bush*
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 06:51 PM
Jan 2016

"Who care what they think?"

Sounds to me like that is what you are saying, and I totally agree.

Sam

onecaliberal

(34,346 posts)
61. The republicans have alientated everyone who is NOT white, and half of all women.
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 05:32 PM
Jan 2016

They cannot get elected.

PyaarRevolution

(814 posts)
127. They can if they cheat.
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 09:05 PM
Jan 2016

Dukakis, Gore, Kerry. It's coming out that there's some real suspicion that the voting machines even that far back were hacked. I mean machines had just been introduced into some states when it was Dukakis vs. Bush.

malokvale77

(4,879 posts)
88. Well then...
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 07:27 PM
Jan 2016

we should just settle for Hillary and all her existing and future enemies that span the globe.

Thanks for that, because I was about to vote for the honest guy.



Rockyj

(538 posts)
110. Republicans could not exist without fear and hate...
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 08:28 PM
Jan 2016

& what Maddow was saying is that Sanders REALLY doesn't have any real enemies in DC. However, as we all know Republicans & that includes Blue Dog Dems, will hate him if he's elected as President. Why? Because that's what republican's do.

 

Trajan

(19,089 posts)
129. Oooooh ... Republican hatred of Liberals ... I am shocked
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 09:07 PM
Jan 2016

We better run and hide, because ... Conservatives don't like liberals ...

Btw ... That's DEMOCRATIC SOCIALIST ...

DEMOCRATIC SOCIALIST! .. not socialist ...

Edit: oh .. Human is gone - booted from their own thread ... Tis a shame ...

I'm guessing he/she is back in the Gungeon, discussing their bitter hatred of Liberals ...

CorporatistNation

(2,546 posts)
183. So on The Other Hand, Are You Suggesting That Dems Nominate Someone of Less Than
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 11:47 AM
Jan 2016

Stellar Character? The "TRUTH" is in the pudding...

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
71. I'm not worried. They threw everything they had at Obama and lost TWICE....
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 06:08 PM
Jan 2016

They're stuck in the Reagan campaign in the 80s claiming wages are low because your boss is going broke because the government is taxing and regulating him to death.

As far as foreign policy? They have a list of targets that includes Hollywood.

Ferd Berfel

(3,687 posts)
91. and thousands and thousands of Republicans will VOTE FOR HIM TOO!
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 07:38 PM
Jan 2016

as they have in Vermont for decades.

NOt all republicans are suicidal psychotic fools. True alot of them are, but more are not

EvolveOrConvolve

(6,452 posts)
197. You've said that a couple of times now in this thread
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 01:27 PM
Jan 2016

As someone who's not obviously as up on the issues as you, can you explain what makes him a fraud? I'm sincerely curious to know.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
206. And they will declare Clinton as a Liberal Monster
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 01:29 PM
Jan 2016

your point is, what that Republicans tend to attack and demonize Democrats?

Gosh whoda thunk it?

Samantha

(9,314 posts)
8. Now pay attention Segami! Bernie has no enemies, Hillary and Bill have an enemies list
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 04:07 PM
Jan 2016

At least that is the longstanding rumor in DC. See the difference?

Sam

 

Segami

(14,923 posts)
25. Yes,..I'm aware of their famous
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 04:26 PM
Jan 2016

'enemies list'..........Just what we need in the WhiteHouse....A revenge team holding all the powers that comes with the Executive branch at their finger tips....

LeFleur1

(1,197 posts)
194. Anyone Who Works Hard and Gets Things Done
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 01:13 PM
Jan 2016

has enemies. Anyone. If a person, Senator, President, Representative introduces a bill, then works to get it passed he/she will make enemies. Anyone who works with other countries who do not particularly like or want whatever deal is in the making will have enemies. ANYONE. Pushing people to do things they don't want to do is not a popular job.

Hiraeth

(4,805 posts)
150. but, didn't she already answer that question in the first debate ... ah!
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 10:41 PM
Jan 2016

Last edited Sat Jan 16, 2016, 07:53 PM - Edit history (1)

emulatorloo

(45,313 posts)
3. Pretty sure she said that to Chris Hayes afterwards. Don't have the transcript though
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 04:05 PM
Jan 2016

but that's how I remember it. They were talking about how weird HRC campaign was in overreacting to Bernie,s ad. That being said my memory gets things wrong sometimes, lol

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
11. No, I saw that interview. Rachael said it to Hillary, and she was caught flat-footed, stunned
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 04:12 PM
Jan 2016

had to recover for a moment, take a deep breath, before she replied.

She may well have said that also to Chris Hayes, but I didn't see that one.

Samantha

(9,314 posts)
20. That was my impression, 99th_Monkey
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 04:18 PM
Jan 2016

This was definitely hard for Hillary to hear at this particular moment in time. One could almost hear her thinking, "Did you have to say that?"

Thanks for posting on my thread.

Sam

appalachiablue

(41,665 posts)
34. As I recall Rachel added smthg. about Bernie's favorability in Vermont also. To which
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 04:39 PM
Jan 2016

HRC replied she has the support of the VT Gov., Senators and others. For trying, Rachel gets beaucoup credit. The way she handled monitoring the Dem. Forum event was extraordinary.

The Clinton presence and era in DC will change with time, naturally. It already has.

INdemo

(6,996 posts)
73. Hillary tried to use Obama ties to Wall St as her excuse
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 06:10 PM
Jan 2016

but the fact is there are voters that pretty much despised that and the fact that Obama used former Goldman Sachs and other Wall St employess in cabinet.
There are progressive voters that did not back Obama and will back Bernie Sanders because of his stand against big Banks and Wall St.

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
24. Nope, to Hillary. Link to video here:
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 04:25 PM
Jan 2016
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show

at about the 6:30 mark


Exact Quote was "doesn't have an enemy in the world in the Democratic Party"




malokvale77

(4,879 posts)
99. Wow...
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 08:04 PM
Jan 2016
"doesn't have an enemy in the world in the Democratic Party"


Was she saying that all the Hillary camp are not Democrats?

I've long suspected it. LOL

rbrnmw

(7,160 posts)
115. Maybe it means they don't hate their fellow Democrats
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 08:39 PM
Jan 2016

Maybe they know who ever wins the Primaries will need the support of the whole Democratic Party. Just because you endorse one candidate doesn't mean you dislike the other candidates.

chervilant

(8,267 posts)
59. Especially
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 05:31 PM
Jan 2016

those who vociferously assert that HRC is "inevitable."

(Dare I say they are finally feeling the Bern?)

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
6. Great post, but maybe change the title.
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 04:06 PM
Jan 2016

Something like "Why Bernie has a chance to get things done in D.C.".

Because he hasn't one enemy in Washington, or Vermont (Rachel also said that).


Hillary, on the other hand......



Samantha

(9,314 posts)
18. With an 83 percent approval rating, Bernie Sanders is the most popular Senator in DC
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 04:15 PM
Jan 2016

Like that one?

Thanks for posting on my thread.

Sam

malokvale77

(4,879 posts)
104. That's huge...
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 08:11 PM
Jan 2016

considering how low the Congress is rated.

I think Bernie is the only one that keeps them afloat. LOL

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
7. I suspect that statement by Rachel was ...
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 04:06 PM
Jan 2016

Last edited Fri Jan 15, 2016, 04:42 PM - Edit history (1)

Hyperbolic and intended (or, maybe not ... that hasn't been her style) to throw gas on a smoldering fire.

Bernie may not have any "enemies"; but, he doesn't seem to have many "friends", either.

HRC was smart not to bite.

Samantha

(9,314 posts)
15. It seemed off the cuff but indeed she said it very passionately
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 04:13 PM
Jan 2016

She has a lot of respect for the man. It shows when she sits down and talks to him one and one. I think there is a lot of respect between the two of them for each other.

Sam

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
29. Rachel Maddow is in the tank for Sanders. She uses kid gloves with him and then goes after
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 04:36 PM
Jan 2016

Hillary Clinton with everything she's got.

That said, let people be reminded that this was an impromptu interview. She had met Hillary Clinton in the building for another interview earlier that day and asked if she'd like to be on her show. And Hillary Clinton graciously said 'yes'.

So in light of that information, Hillary Clinton did very, very well - extremely well - against Rachel's gotcha questions. That's what true leaders are supposed to be able to do - think on their feet.

And yes, I believe Bernie's ad was an indictment on ALL Democrats, even President Obama, and although they can make the claim that that isn't true, there's no other way to see that ad - and I've watched it five times. Sure, Bernie doesn't have any enemies in DC, but he's got precious few friends, certainly not enough to make his rhetoric come to fruition. But I'm not afraid of that. He's not going to be the Democratic Party nom unless PoC suddenly abandon their support for Hillary Clinton, en masse. And that's just wishful thinking.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
40. I saw the interview and didn't think Rachel asked a single Gotcha question ...
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 04:49 PM
Jan 2016

she DID ask questions of substance, that needed to be asked. I think that HRC acquitted herself well ... including, not reacting on the (arguably, hyperbolic)"not a single enemy" comment.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
87. Arguably,
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 07:23 PM
Jan 2016

the "not a single enemy" comment was a gotcha. How did Rachel expect Hillary Clinton to respond to that? There were others, but I'll need to watch the video again.

But you're correct, HRC handled herself very well. I don't know if I'd use the word "acquitted" (since that has a negative connotation as if she's been charged with something - although I know which definition you're using which is simply how well someone conducts themselves), but she sure did show she is more than ready to be president of the United States. Bar none currently running.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
96. LOL ...
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 07:54 PM
Jan 2016
don't know if I'd use the word "acquitted" (since that has a negative connotation as if she's been charged with something -


Acquitted is music to a (former) member of the defense bar's ears!

And, weren't you talking about gotcha questions?

(Sorry ... Just giving you a hard time)

malokvale77

(4,879 posts)
107. Well...
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 08:21 PM
Jan 2016
don't know if I'd use the word "acquitted" (since that has a negative connotation as if she's been charged with something -


In the court of public opinion, she has been. Her defense team is faltering badly.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
53. "..... this was an impromptu interview. ..."
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 05:20 PM
Jan 2016
"So in light of that information, Hillary Clinton did very, very well - extremely well - against Rachel's gotcha questions. That's what true leaders are supposed to be able to do - think on their feet. "


I mean, with all due respect to my esteemed colleague "across the aisle," you must be joking.
 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
78. Any question that does not appear on HRCs Talking Points, is a...take your pick...
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 06:18 PM
Jan 2016

Gotcha, Attack, Hating ... pretty much hair triggers on the political gun.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
86. Yes
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 07:15 PM
Jan 2016

it was an impromptu interview without weeks of preparation. Rachel Maddow says that herself in the lead-in. Watch the video:
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show

Hillary Clinton was in the building to do the Tonight Show with Jimmy Fallon, and they asked her to "swing by" and she said yes.

So with all due respect to my esteemed colleague across the aisle, I wasn't joking.

Uncle Joe

(59,202 posts)
36. "An excellent man"
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 04:40 PM
Jan 2016


An excellent man; he has no enemies; and none of his friends like him.

Oscar Wilde


Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/o/oscarwilde397093.html#QmafiFdVKGGlJdeV.99



That's what Oscar Wilde said of George Bernard Shaw



George Bernard Shaw (26 July 1856 – 2 November 1950) was a Nobel Prize and Oscar-winning Irish playwright, critic and socialist whose influence on Western theatre, culture and politics stretched from the 1880s to his death in 1950. Originally earning his way as an influential London music and theatre critic, Shaw's greatest gift was for the modern drama. Strongly influenced by Henrik Ibsen, he successfully introduced a new realism into English-language drama. He wrote more than 60 plays, among them Man and Superman, Mrs. Warren's Profession, Major Barbara, Saint Joan, Caesar and Cleopatra, and Pygmalion. With his range from biting contemporary satire to historical allegory, Shaw became the leading comedy dramatist of his generation and one of the most important playwrights in the English language since the 17th century.

"Shaw was also the most trenchant pamphleteer since Swift, the most readable music critic in English, the best theatre critic of his generation, a prodigious lecturer and essayist on politics, economics, and sociological subjects, and one of the most prolific letter writers in literature," sums up Stanley Weintraub in the Encyclopædia Britannica.[1] He won the Nobel Prize for Literature in 1925.

As a young man raised in poverty, Shaw embraced socialism and became an early and lifelong force in the Fabian Society, a highly influential British organisation, founded in 1884, to promote a gradual, as opposed to revolutionary, socialism, that was the foundation for the British Labour Party in 1900. He tirelessly wrote and spoke on behalf of its wide-ranging vision to transform British society, advocating a minimum wage for the working-class, universal healthcare, women's right to vote, and the abolition of hereditary privilege. Not quite a pacifist because he justified war when a necessary evil (as in fighting the Nazis in WWII), he worked for a peaceable world and supported the establishment of the League of Nations. He edited the classic text "Fabian Essays in Socialism" (1889), and helped co-founders Sidney and Beatrice Webb create the London School of Economics and Political Science from a bequest by an early Fabian in 1895. He publicly opposed Britain's entry into both World Wars.

He is the only person to have been awarded both a Nobel Prize (Literature, 1925) and an Academy Award (Best Adapted Screenplay, 1938), the first for his contributions to literature and the second for his film adaptation of his most popular play, Pygmalion. The story of a pedantic British linguist who turns a Cockney flower girl into a lady was immortalised after his death in the 1953 Broadway musical My Fair Lady.[n 1]

Shaw refused all other awards and honours, including the offer of a knighthood.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Bernard_Shaw

Samantha

(9,314 posts)
97. This was a great read, Uncle Joe
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 07:55 PM
Jan 2016

And thank you for posting it on my thread. I am kind of tired tonight, and I keep looking for a place to recommend this post!

Sam

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
80. Doesn't have any friends?
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 06:24 PM
Jan 2016

You mean he's not a shmoozer like Hillary, playing games and trading promises for money, to be in the popular clique and gain power?

You are right about that. He has no pretensions about wanting to be one of the popular kids. Popularity and celebrity and power are not what he's fighting for. He's fighting for us, and for changing how the system works, not because he just really wants to be President.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
89. Okay ...
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 07:31 PM
Jan 2016

the point still stands: In a political world, your success, or more, your ability to succeed, is less about your enemies; and, all about your friends.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
131. In a political world that is based on quid pro quo and favors, yes
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 09:20 PM
Jan 2016

Bernie is here to change all that. That is why there is so much enthusiasm behind him.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
81. If by friends you mean like the billionaire kind that are "friends" of H. Clinton. I think
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 06:25 PM
Jan 2016

they are called "quid pro quo" friends. We need honesty in government and not Big Money.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
93. No ... In mean friends like these ...
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 07:47 PM
Jan 2016

Hillary Clinton 1/8/16 Frank Pallone Jr. Rep. (D-N.J.) 1
1/7 G.K. Butterfield Rep. (D-N.C.) 1
12/16/15 Linda Sánchez Rep. (D-Calif.) 1
12/15 Brad Ashford Rep. (D-Neb.) 1
12/7 Michael E. Capuano Rep. (D-Mass.) 1
11/30 Maxine Waters Rep. (D-Calif.) 1
11/30 Jackie Speier Rep. (D-Calif.) 1
11/30 Anna G. Eshoo Rep. (D-Calif.) 1
11/30 Pete Aguilar Rep. (D-Calif.) 1
11/30 Jerry McNerney Rep. (D-Calif.) 1
11/19 John A. Yarmuth Rep. (D-Ky.) 1
11/17 Alan Grayson Rep. (D-Fla.) 1
11/17 Jack Reed Sen. (D-R.I.) 5
11/17 John P. Sarbanes Rep. (D-Md.) 1
11/17 Donna F. Edwards Rep. (D-Md.) 1
11/17 C. A. Dutch Ruppersberger Rep. (D-Md.) 1
11/16 Ruben Gallego Rep. (D-Ariz.) 1
11/14 Jay Inslee Gov. (D-Wash.) 10
11/14 Denny Heck Rep. (D-Wash.) 1
11/14 Suzan DelBene Rep. (D-Wash.) 1
11/13 Joe Donnelly Sen. (D-Ind.) 5
11/13 Ann Kirkpatrick Rep. (D-Ariz.) 1
11/13 Eleanor Holmes Norton Del. (D-D.C.) 1
11/11 Tony Cárdenas Rep. (D-Calif.) 1
11/11 Corrine Brown Rep. (D-Fla.) 1
11/11 Gwen Moore Rep. (D-Wis.) 1
11/10 Christopher A. Coons Sen. (D-Del.) 5
11/9 Bennie G. Thompson Rep. (D-Miss.) 1
11/8 Seth Moulton Rep. (D-Mass.) 1
11/5 Maria Cantwell Sen. (D-Wash.) 5
11/4 Jay Nixon Gov. (D-Mo.) 10
10/28 Heidi Heitkamp Sen. (D-N.D.) 5
10/28 Jared Huffman Rep. (D-Calif.) 1
10/27 Sherrod Brown Sen. (D-Ohio) 5
10/26 Thomas R. Carper Sen. (D-Del.) 5
10/26 John Carney Rep. (D-Del.) 1
10/23 Paul D. Tonko Rep. (D-N.Y.) 1
10/21 Jack Markell Gov. (D-Del.) 10
10/20 Eliot Engel Rep. (D-N.Y.) 1
10/19 Joe Courtney Rep. (D-Conn.) 1
10/16 William Keating Rep. (D-Mass.) 1
10/14 Edward J. Markey Sen. (D-Mass.) 5
10/13 Yvette D. Clarke Rep. (D-N.Y.) 1
10/13 Hakeem Jeffries Rep. (D-N.Y.) 1
10/5 Robert C. Scott Rep. (D-Va.) 1
10/5 John Hickenlooper Gov. (D-Colo.) 10
9/17 Maggie Hassan Gov. (D-N.H.) 10
9/13 Ann Kuster Rep. (D-N.H.) 1
9/7 David Loebsack Rep. (D-Iowa) 1
9/7 Cheri Bustos Rep. (D-Ill.) 1
9/1 Zoe Lofgren Rep. (D-Calif.) 1
8/31 Tammy Baldwin Sen. (D-Wis.) 5
8/28 Timothy J. Walz Rep. (D-Minn.) 1
8/24 Bill Pascrell Jr. Rep. (D-N.J.) 1
8/24 Bonnie Watson Coleman Rep. (D-N.J.) 1
8/24 Donald Payne Jr. Rep. (D-N.J.) 1
8/24 John Garamendi Rep. (D-Calif.) 1
8/18 Jim Himes Rep. (D-Conn.) 1
8/6 Xavier Becerra Rep. (D-Calif.) 1
8/5 Scott Peters Rep. (D-Calif.) 1
7/15 Marcia L. Fudge Rep. (D-Ohio) 1
7/15 Lois Capps Rep. (D-Calif.) 1
7/14 André Carson Rep. (D-Ind.) 1
7/13 Suzanne Bonamici Rep. (D-Ore.) 1
6/27 Niki Tsongas Rep. (D-Mass.) 1
6/26 Don Beyer Rep. (D-Va.) 1
6/26 Brenda Lawrence Rep. (D-Mich.) 1
6/23 William "Lacy" Clay Jr. Rep. (D-Mo.) 1
6/23 Matthew Cartwright Rep. (D-Pa.) 1
6/13 Tom Wolf Gov. (D-Pa.) 10
6/13 Elizabeth Esty Rep. (D-Conn.) 1
6/13 John B. Larson Rep. (D-Conn.) 1
6/7 Dannel P. Malloy Gov. (D-Conn.) 10
6/5 Steve Cohen Rep. (D-Tenn.) 1
6/4 Christopher Murphy Sen. (D-Conn.) 5
5/27 Katherine Clark Rep. (D-Mass.) 1
5/20 Peter Shumlin Gov. (D-Vt.) 10
5/14 Joseph P. Kennedy III Rep. (D-Mass.) 1
5/12 James McGovern Rep. (D-Mass.) 1
5/5 Gary Peters Sen. (D-Mich.) 5
5/5 Michael F. Bennet Sen. (D-Colo.) 5
5/4 Henry Cuellar Rep. (D-Texas) 1
5/4 Filemon Vela Rep. (D-Texas) 1
5/4 Joyce Beatty Rep. (D-Ohio) 1
5/4 Adam Smith Rep. (D-Wash.) 1
5/4 Jim Cooper Rep. (D-Tenn.) 1
5/4 Patrick Murphy Rep. (D-Fla.) 1
5/4 Derek Kilmer Rep. (D-Wash.) 1
5/4 Kurt Schrader Rep. (D-Ore.) 1
5/4 Kathy Castor Rep. (D-Fla.) 1
5/4 Brad Sherman Rep. (D-Calif.) 1
5/4 Sean Patrick Maloney Rep. (D-N.Y.) 1
5/4 Julia Brownley Rep. (D-Calif.) 1
5/4 Adam Schiff Rep. (D-Calif.) 1
5/4 Daniel Kildee Rep. (D-Mich.) 1
5/4 Rubén Hinojosa Rep. (D-Texas) 1
5/4 Mike Thompson Rep. (D-Calif.) 1
5/4 Eddie Bernice Johnson Rep. (D-Texas) 1
5/4 Ed Perlmutter Rep. (D-Colo.) 1
5/4 Jared Polis Rep. (D-Colo.) 1
5/4 Marc Veasey Rep. (D-Texas) 1
5/4 Kathleen Rice Rep. (D-N.Y.) 1
5/4 José E. Serrano Rep. (D-N.Y.) 1
5/4 Gerald E. "Gerry" Connolly Rep. (D-Va.) 1
4/29 Emanuel Cleaver Rep. (D-Mo.) 1
4/24 Robert P. Casey, Jr. Sen. (D-Pa.) 5
4/23 Steve Israel Rep. (D-N.Y.) 1
4/23 Cory A. Booker Sen. (D-N.J.) 5
4/22 John Conyers Jr. Rep. (D-Mich.) 1
4/16 Gina M. Raimondo Gov. (D-R.I.) 10
4/15 Jim McDermott Rep. (D-Wash.) 1
4/14 Rosa L. DeLauro Rep. (D-Conn.) 1
4/13 Tom Udall Sen. (D-N.M.) 5
4/12 Andrew M. Cuomo Gov. (D-N.Y.) 10
4/12 Karen Bass Rep. (D-Calif.) 1
4/12 Rick Larsen Rep. (D-Wash.) 1
4/12 Diana DeGette Rep. (D-Colo.) 1
4/12 Jeanne Shaheen Sen. (D-N.H.) 5
4/12 Debbie Dingell Rep. (D-Mich.) 1
4/11 Nydia M. Velázquez Rep. (D-N.Y.) 1
4/11 Jerrold Nadler Rep. (D-N.Y.) 1
2/2 Brian Schatz Sen. (D-Hawaii) 5
1/29 Alcee L. Hastings Rep. (D-Fla.) 1
1/27 Ted Lieu Rep. (D-Calif.) 1
1/27 Mark Takano Rep. (D-Calif.) 1
1/27 Tammy Duckworth Rep. (D-Ill.) 1
1/27 Madeleine Bordallo Del. (D-Guam) 1
1/27 Ami Bera Rep. (D-Calif.) 1
1/27 Mazie K. Hirono Sen. (D-Hawaii) 5
1/27 Judy Chu Rep. (D-Calif.) 1
1/22 Grace Napolitano Rep. (D-Calif.) 1
1/22 Loretta Sanchez Rep. (D-Calif.) 1
1/22 Lucille Roybal-Allard Rep. (D-Calif.) 1
12/18/14 Bill Nelson Sen. (D-Fla.) 5
12/16 Al Franken Sen. (D-Minn.) 5
12/1 Barbara A. Mikulski Sen. (D-Md.) 5
12/1 Benjamin L. Cardin Sen. (D-Md.) 5
11/14 Terry McAuliffe Gov. (D-Va.) 10
11/10 Charles B. Rangel Rep. (D-N.Y.) 1
10/14 Nita Lowey Rep. (D-N.Y.) 1
8/5 Mark R. Warner Sen. (D-Va.) 5
7/12 Michelle Lujan Grisham Rep. (D-N.M.) 1
7/12 Martin Heinrich Sen. (D-N.M.) 5
6/21 Patrick J. Leahy Sen. (D-Vt.) 5
6/18 Rick Nolan Rep. (D-Minn.) 1
6/18 Betty McCollum Rep. (D-Minn.) 1
6/7 Richard Blumenthal Sen. (D-Conn.) 5
6/6 Bill Foster Rep. (D-Ill.) 1
6/6 Robin Kelly Rep. (D-Ill.) 1
6/5 Richard J. Durbin Sen. (D-Ill.) 5
6/4 Amy Klobuchar Sen. (D-Minn.) 5
5/22 Debbie Stabenow Sen. (D-Mich.) 5
5/4 Mark Takai Rep. (D-Hawaii) 1
5/3 Tim Kaine Sen. (D-Va.) 5
2/7 Ted Deutch Rep. (D-Fla.) 1
1/31 Joseph Crowley Rep. (D-N.Y.) 1
1/29 Joe Manchin III Sen. (D-W.Va.) 5
1/28 David Cicilline Rep. (D-R.I.) 1
1/28 Grace Meng Rep. (D-N.Y.) 1
1/28 Gregory W. Meeks Rep. (D-N.Y.) 1
1/28 David Scott Rep. (D-Ga.) 1
1/28 John Lewis Rep. (D-Ga.) 1
1/28 Henry C. "Hank" Jr. Johnson Rep. (D-Ga.) 1
1/28 Joaquin Castro Rep. (D-Texas) 1
1/28 Richard E. Neal Rep. (D-Mass.) 1
1/28 Sheldon Whitehouse Sen. (D-R.I.) 5
1/28 Brian Higgins Rep. (D-N.Y.) 1
1/28 Luis Gutierrez Rep. (D-Ill.) 1
1/28 Stephen F. Lynch Rep. (D-Mass.) 1
1/28 Lois Frankel Rep. (D-Fla.) 1
1/28 Steny H. Hoyer Rep. (D-Md.) 1
1/28 Janice Hahn Rep. (D-Calif.) 1
1/28 Doris O. Matsui Rep. (D-Calif.) 1
1/28 Jan Schakowsky Rep. (D-Ill.) 1
1/28 Jim Langevin Rep. (D-R.I.) 1
1/28 Louise Slaughter Rep. (D-N.Y.) 1
1/28 Terri A. Sewell Rep. (D-Ala.) 1
1/28 John Delaney Rep. (D-Md.) 1
1/28 Gene Green Rep. (D-Texas) 1
1/28 Cedric Richmond Rep. (D-La.) 1
1/28 Danny K. Davis Rep. (D-Ill.) 1
1/28 Mike Honda Rep. (D-Calif.) 1
1/28 Chellie Pingree Rep. (D-Maine) 1
1/28 Sheila Jackson Lee Rep. (D-Texas) 1
1/28 Frederica Wilson Rep. (D-Fla.) 1
1/28 Sander Levin Rep. (D-Mich.) 1
1/13 Chris Van Hollen Rep. (D-Md.) 1
12/12/13 Dianne Feinstein Sen. (D-Calif.) 5
11/17 Kirsten E. Gillibrand Sen. (D-N.Y.) 5
11/11 Carolyn Maloney Rep. (D-N.Y.) 1
11/8 Patty Murray Sen. (D-Wash.) 5
11/7 Mark Dayton Gov. (D-Minn.) 10
11/5 Tim Ryan Rep. (D-Ohio) 1
11/2 Charles E. Schumer Sen. (D-N.Y.) 5
10/30 Barbara Boxer Sen. (D-Calif.) 5
8/18 Dina Titus Rep. (D-Nev.) 1
6/18 Claire McCaskill Sen. (D-Mo.) 5

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
155. While Americans in the 99% were losing a total of 5 Trillion dollars between 2000 and 2015
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 10:55 PM
Jan 2016

H. Clinton managed to amass a fortune of $50,000,000. Now some may worship the wealthy but wealth is essentially zero-sum. That means the greater the wealth gain for the super wealthy, the more poverty.

It's amazing that those that think she will help with social justice issues, don't realize that she is part of the Aristocracy that is interested in amassing huge personal fortunes. She puts on a good front but she is one of the 1% that believe that wealth gain is paramount.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
10. Another reason why Bernie CAN make a difference for our country.
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 04:09 PM
Jan 2016

Trust is a rare quality in the higher rungs of government. When you do not dislike someone, you're far more willing to cooperate with them.

Cosmocat

(14,670 posts)
27. They "liked" BHO plenty when he was the underdog to hillary
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 04:28 PM
Jan 2016

Parr of why I supported him over hillary then was I thought republicans would not be as big of jackasses to him as they would with her.

I learned a sad lesson from that.

I am voting bernie, but have no delusions they wont be the same as they have been for bho or would be for hillary.

He aint getting shit done through congress ....

livetohike

(22,460 posts)
14. How would Rachel know that? If Hillary knows of some "enemies" should she have said their names? I
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 04:12 PM
Jan 2016

doubt right wing members of the GOP are best buds with him.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
31. Rachel was out for "gotcha", but she went up against a strong opponent - and lost.
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 04:38 PM
Jan 2016

Either Rachel is acting as if she's in the tank for Bernie in order to stave off the deluge of angry Bernie supporters (who aren't necessarily Democrats, btw), or she really is. Either way, Hillary Clinton came out like a leader, a person I can trust will keep the country safe and who is qualified to be the successor of the best president of my lifetime.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
42. I suspect there are a lot of Democrats that wouldn't cross the street to greet him, either. eom
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 04:52 PM
Jan 2016

Last edited Fri Jan 15, 2016, 06:09 PM - Edit history (1)

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
58. And, or but, that's not a good thing ...
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 05:31 PM
Jan 2016

In a political world, your success, or more, your ability to succeed, is less about your enemies; and, all about your friends.

JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
62. yes, it is a good thing we agree he has plenty of friends on the democratic side
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 05:35 PM
Jan 2016

I'm just kidding around -- I think you forgot a "not" in your first post. Sorry for the joke at your expense..

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
74. LOL ... You're correct I meant to type "WOULDN'T" ...
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 06:11 PM
Jan 2016

The OLD fingers just don't go where I tell them to these days.

Sorry for the joke at your expense..


Not a problem.

Samantha

(9,314 posts)
95. One's reputation in Washington follows him or her everywhere
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 07:51 PM
Jan 2016

It is a part of the inside-the-Beltway mentality. Additionally, Rachel is a reputable commentator and they make it their job to unearth information about people. She would have never made a statement like that if she had not been extremely confident of its veracity.

Sam

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
16. Just FYI should he become the nominee that will change really quickly.
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 04:13 PM
Jan 2016

We all better be ready for that.

Samantha

(9,314 posts)
100. I think he is ready for that
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 08:06 PM
Jan 2016

Last edited Sat Jan 16, 2016, 01:18 AM - Edit history (1)

Additionally, I think we the people have learned a lot from Election 2000 (stolen in plain sight) and 2004 (purloined and later investigated, See the Conyers report for more information). The estimate was 25% of the votes in Ohio were "dropped" the night of the election. I believe people have been hardened enough to realize that if we really want a change in our government, we not only have to work for it, we probably will have to fight for it too.

It ain't going to be pretty, Agschmid, but you already know that, don't you?

Sam

 

scottie55

(1,400 posts)
19. Bernie Is The Ideal
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 04:18 PM
Jan 2016

All politicians should strive to achieve.

Has something to do with telling the truth.

Samantha

(9,314 posts)
101. Yes, when Bernie references he typically gets 25 percent of the Republican votes in Vermont
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 08:08 PM
Jan 2016

those same Republicans will tell you they vote for him even though they don't agree with all of his policies, but because they know he tells them the truth about the issues. That is a rare commodity in politics.

Sam

 

Duval

(4,280 posts)
30. Thanks for an uplifting post, Sam. I wish
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 04:36 PM
Jan 2016

I had seen it. I especially like and agree with your last paragraph, and I'd like to add the Congress in with the Oval Office.


 

Segami

(14,923 posts)
39. "He doesn't have an enemy in the world in the Democratic Party"...
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 04:48 PM
Jan 2016
"...and he doesn't have an enemy in the world in his home state.."


You can watch it here at 3:20 of video:



malokvale77

(4,879 posts)
117. Yuck...
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 08:41 PM
Jan 2016

I watched to 1:30 and that was enough to make me retch. How many lies can one tell in so little time.

Samantha

(9,314 posts)
105. Thank you, Duval
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 08:12 PM
Jan 2016

I don't have much money to donate, but I do what I can by writing threads here to burnish the Bern! And we need the fresh air of positivism to flow through here sometimes.

Sam

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
43. ...In the Democratic Party. The OP did not give an exact quote.
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 04:54 PM
Jan 2016

Close though.


Not an enemy in Washington In The Democratic Party.


I posted a link to the video up thread a ways.


Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
171. But virtually no friends or supporters either. Almost all colleagues
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 10:04 AM
Jan 2016

rejected his requests for endorsements.

And what kind of politician has NO enemies? Just being effective guarantees many will put you on their enemies list. Just look at this forum.

 

modestybl

(458 posts)
44. HRC on the ropes... and she knows it...
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 04:57 PM
Jan 2016

It is stunning how HRC went from never mentioning Sanders by name to swift-boating him on his integrity and commitment to universal health care. Sign of major turnaround in the primary for Sanders.

Rachel has to "behave" to remain on a major network, so her questions and tone have to be friendly and polite, but she is sly with the follow-up questions.

HRC was clearly thrown off guard, and responded to RM's observation of Sanders being very well liked by his home-state constituents with essentially name dropping: "the current and former governors and the current senior senator support me..." How. Lame.

HRC's attempt to smear Sanders with an accusation of going negative (A. thou doth protest too loudly B. He is talking about money corrupting politics, didn't single out, or even mention HRC) isn't going to work. It's that believability thing.
And HRC ain't got it...

And even tho Dems still like Obama personally, there is a very deep stream of "is that all there is?" to his accomplishments. There was also a feeling that he didn't fight nearly as hard as he could have on healthcare, the budget, further stimulus, etc. He was always starting from midway between a moderate Dem position and the extreme Right... then negotiating even further to the Right.

We are done with half measures. This interview more than anything else has convinced me that HRC has Lost this...

MADem

(135,425 posts)
76. It's not. That's probably why you didn't realize it.
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 06:15 PM
Jan 2016

It's Sesame Street, and here comes The Count..



Let's count those super delegates, shall we?

Samantha

(9,314 posts)
106. Super Delegates can change their mind at the last minute
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 08:19 PM
Jan 2016

That is part of the problem that caused Hillary to lose to Obama.

Sam

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
168. No, it's not. Grantcart and others here had a running count of super delegates last go around
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 08:41 AM
Jan 2016

And the super delegates supporting Obama chose him early on. They didn't suddenly switch at the last moment.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
122. That's just not an accurate comparison. Obama had nearly seventy super delegates at this point in
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 08:52 PM
Jan 2016

time in 2007 as a relative unknown, and Clinton didn't have anywhere NEAR the percentage of super delegates that she has this time around--if she had a third of what she has now, that would be a lot. There were more candidates in that race, and THEY had super delegates pledged to them, too.

So, sorry--shades of Obama (NOT), Not even close.

This is fairly recent history and easy to check, you know.

malokvale77

(4,879 posts)
126. History is a funny thing.
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 09:02 PM
Jan 2016

Are you suggesting that the too early declared super delegates will oppose the will of the people?

I'm suggesting that would be a mistake of major proportion.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
135. You don't understand how the convention works?
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 09:28 PM
Jan 2016

The people PICK their delegates, with their votes.

The PARTY also has a cadre of (super) delegates, and THEY pick the candidate(s) they want to support.

One group of delegates has nothing to do with the other.

The supers do not "owe" allegiance to the voters--in fact, the reason they are there is to prevent a crowd of overly enthusiastic voters from taking the party in a direction the party doesn't want to go.

The "super delegates" owe their allegiance to the party, not to you, not to me--they take a macro view. Their decisions are based on how THEY feel "the party" should proceed.

Not only do they not "owe" the voters, the voters do NOT control them in any way. Disabuse yourself of this viewpoint. They have nothing to DO with "the will of the people." Where you got that idea, I can't begin to imagine.

You completely misunderstand their role.

You do realize--speaking of history--WHY we have super delegates? Separate from delegates chosen by the voting public? Why the party feels that sometimes, the voting public fucks up and doesn't know best?

Let me paint you a picture:



THAT's why. "Don't blame ME...I'm from Massachusetts!" (I actually had that bumper sticker.)

No shooting the messenger, now. That IS how it works. Super Delegates do not answer to your "will of the people." They determine which candidate they believe a) Best reflects the party's goals, and b) Can BEAT the Republicans. Because we don't play in the Big Show if we don't win the election.

You have some homework to do.

Before you complain that "the people" are left out of the equation, keep in mind that they weren't even participants in the process years ago, in the days of smoked filled rooms. The fifty state primary process is a relatively new thing in electoral politics. Voters today have more 'say' in picking their candidates than they ever did in decades and centuries past.

More homework, here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_primary

History is a funny thing, indeed.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
138. I responded to you politely. I even gave you links so you could a) Educate yourself, and
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 09:45 PM
Jan 2016

b) Assure yourself that I wasn't talking out my ass.

And for my trouble, that's how you respond.

I said "Don't shoot the messenger," and you did.

smh.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
142. In what way was I rude to you? I took pains to explain every detail to you so you would not be
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 09:57 PM
Jan 2016

left in a muddle.

I think the only thing that would have satisfied you is if I agreed with your completely erroneous view of how the conventions are conducted, and what the roles of pledged v. super delegates are.

You're blaming me because you didn't know something. That's not my fault, either.

smh.

malokvale77

(4,879 posts)
145. "left in a muddle"
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 10:10 PM
Jan 2016

Could you be more condescending?

Go ahead MADem, play the superior intellect. It is you who don't know.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
146. You are DETERMINED to take offense.
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 10:14 PM
Jan 2016

Just DETERMINED.

So go on, then--take it.



Thing is, when it comes to the convention process, I DO know. And I thought you were interested in knowing, too.

How foolish of me.

malokvale77

(4,879 posts)
147. I take no offense for myself.
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 10:28 PM
Jan 2016

I know far more than you understand I know.

I'm just tired from attitudes such as yours.

I do agree that you are foolish.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
148. What does that even mean?
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 10:35 PM
Jan 2016

Your first sentence is cryptic. Snatch the pebble from your hand?



Your second sentence is accusatory--I have no "attitude." I simply don't support the same candidate you support--that's my "crime."

Your third sentence is yet another insult.

smh.

Thanks for laying it all out there, for all to see. Let there be no question.

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
170. If in fact Clinton loses the primaries and is nominated by super delegates that would be a
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 09:03 AM
Jan 2016

malfunction of the first order. It would result in an electoral disaster in November.

121xGigawatts

(12 posts)
172. +1
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 10:14 AM
Jan 2016

If the candidate is chosen by the party establishment instead of the people, it would be used to show dysfunction in the party and voters would not turn out. If that happens, I think there is little doubt there we will lose the election.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
180. So, do I have to explain the way the conventions work?
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 11:43 AM
Jan 2016

What's with the "So" game? I can play it, too. And what's with the aggressive "bunch of nonsense" crap? If you don't want to discuss this, don't. If you want a fight, look closer to home. I'm too old for that "bunch of nonsense."

There exists a possibility, howsoever remote in this instance, that both candidates will not reach the minimum threshold to put them over the top, and lack sufficient delegates to win the nomination. This is where the supers become key.


Some light reading: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brokered_convention

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
187. But as you said that will never happen. And yet there you were 'splaining us how
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 12:22 PM
Jan 2016

even if Sanders has a delegate lead from the primaries without the super delegates he can't win the nomination.

And 'round and 'round we go.

If the DNC/DLC/New Democrats/Third Way/Goldman Sachs Democrats use the super delegates to override the primary result it will be an unmitigated disaster for the party.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
193. Oh, now you're just getting all nitpicky.
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 01:03 PM
Jan 2016

It's a highly unlikely occurrence.

There--happy now? Feeling on top of the world?

And 'round and 'round we go.


Speak for yourself, Warren Stupidity! You can go round all you want, I've better things to do.


Everyone here who so readily praises FDR as the "savior of the universe" would do well to realize that he was the product of a brokered convention.

The world didn't end back then, either....

MoonchildCA

(1,304 posts)
56. I suspect what was probably going through her head was...
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 05:27 PM
Jan 2016

Uh, yeah he does: me! But she stopped herself from saying it out loud, figuring it might not go over very well.

raindaddy

(1,370 posts)
60. Hillary really doesn't get it!
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 05:31 PM
Jan 2016

When questioned about her character assassination of Sanders over an ad that questions politicians accepting large amounts of money from Wall Street seriously regulating them. Her response is to name the Democratic party establishment's endorsements she's gotten. She's clueless as to the anger people are feeling about the current system and the people in charge and their desire to change it...

Also it's obvious she wants to start running attack ads and lying about Bernie's proposals so she trying to make it look like Bernie fired the first shot...

INdemo

(6,996 posts)
82. Absolutely Correct.
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 06:28 PM
Jan 2016

Hillary is pissed I mean she is really pissed because she nor her campaign thought Bernie would be around long.
She thought that her millions from her corporate friends would squash Bernie's campaign in a few weeks following his announcement,
And now Bernie Sanders is about to take the first two primaries away from Hillary and Bernie Sanders is also taking away her dream of 25 years.She will do or say anything to accomplish her 25 year old goal but her prospects are dimming.
She is using Karl Rove and Dick Cheney style tactics and its going to back fire.

So You go Girl and keep it up while the Sanders campaign keeps hauling in those contributions.


Go Bernie !!!

malokvale77

(4,879 posts)
124. Yes raindaddy...
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 08:56 PM
Jan 2016
She's clueless as to the anger people are feeling


and so are her supporters. They have no clue as to the flame they are igniting.

Beacool

(30,264 posts)
64. He has no enemies just like Obama didn't have any before he became the nominee.
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 05:45 PM
Jan 2016

It's disingenuous to assume that because someone doesn't have any apparent enemies while he's battling the perceived front runner that he will still have no enemies if he were to become the nominee. During the Republican debate last night, other than being the usual circular firing squad, the two people who were attacked the most were Obama and Hillary. Why? Because Obama is president and Republicans think that Hillary will be the nominee. In the unlikely event that Sanders were to become the Democratic nominee, it'll be non-stop name calling. He'll be called a Socialist, a Marxist, etc. His age will also come into play. After all, he will be 75 years old on election day.

Samantha

(9,314 posts)
109. It is much more sophisticated voting population out there now
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 08:27 PM
Jan 2016

They are sharp enough to pick up on these maneuvers and disregard them. After all, their education came at a huge price and now they are going to put it to good use.

Sam

uponit7771

(90,590 posts)
162. You mean the electorate that has Trump as the GOP front runner now?! No, they aren't...
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 01:48 AM
Jan 2016

... they are about as stupid as they were 80 years ago

Samantha

(9,314 posts)
120. The practice of ageism is a very unattractive thing -- it is a discrimination
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 08:49 PM
Jan 2016

just like the other many forms we sometimes see. I would like to suggest you take a look at Jerry Brown, the Governor of California. He has done a stupendous job and he is older than Bernie, something like nearing 78, I believe. I would vote for that man regardless.

I used the present tense of the verb "has" and made no references to what will happen in the future.

As far as the name-calling, who exactly do you think does not consider this standard fare in our politics today? It is not going to change anyone's mind to hear some of the mischaracterizations that will be made by players who want to defeat him.

Thanks for posting on my thread, Beacool. I guess we have no choice but to wait and see what happens.

Sam

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
169. Even that's not a fair comparison
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 08:44 AM
Jan 2016

Bernie had no enemies because in the senate he was that nutty guy who no one took seriously.

For someone to be considered an enemy you have to take them seriously in some way.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
184. Clinton has a chance. Bernie has no chance of anthing other than handing
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 11:48 AM
Jan 2016

The election to Trump or Cruz.

Justice

(7,190 posts)
67. The implication is what, with no enemies, Bernie will have smooth sailing in the general election?
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 05:54 PM
Jan 2016

I am not sure I even understand the point. Nor do I agree with it - I think Bernie has plenty of people in Washington who disagree with him and by definition today, that makes them Bernie's enemy.

Samantha

(9,314 posts)
114. That is not at all what the implication in my thread is
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 08:36 PM
Jan 2016

and to disagree with someone does not necessary mean you create an enemy. I disagree with your post, but you are not my enemy.

The thread was created to celebrate what a tremendously wonderful candidate we have in Senator Sanders. He is not just a man who has been in public service for decades. He started out as a candid person sympathetic to the needs of the under-served by our government, for instance, soldiers being sent out to fight in wars and risks their lives for the wrong reasons and people suffering from poverty.

He is a man who believes the government should work for ALL OF THE PEOPLE not just corporations and the uber-wealthy.

Sam

Beacool

(30,264 posts)
79. Do you believe every RW talking point?
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 06:20 PM
Jan 2016

The Daily Mail is a RW rag (read their comment section). As for a list, every campaign has lists of those who support them and those who don't.

Please............

INdemo

(6,996 posts)
83. There is also a list with pictures even.
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 06:30 PM
Jan 2016

Did you ever think Hillary would use Right Wing Campaign tactics?

Samantha

(9,314 posts)
123. I knew about that list but have never read it
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 08:52 PM
Jan 2016

I just do not have that much time to waste these days.

I think though some people here might enjoy looking it over.

Thanks for posting on my thread.

Sam

 

anigbrowl

(13,889 posts)
92. If you don't have a single enemy in Washington DC...
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 07:46 PM
Jan 2016

...then nobody there takes you very seriously.

I mean, not a single person has dared to challenge me for the title of heavyweight boxing champion. It must be because they all agree I'm the best, right?

Samantha

(9,314 posts)
125. I am not at all sure your comparison is applicable here, but I do have to ask
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 08:59 PM
Jan 2016

do you wear that belt in public?

Sam

uponit7771

(90,590 posts)
163. +++DING DING DING+++ I don't think that comment helped Sanders the way this thread is being
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 01:49 AM
Jan 2016

... rec'd

randys1

(16,286 posts)
102. I would be astonished if some of the childish asshole teaparty newcomers dont dislike
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 08:09 PM
Jan 2016

Bernie.

Bernie stands for fairness, honesty, decency, civil rights, etc.

They dont.

Samantha

(9,314 posts)
133. That is pretty true, malokvale77
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 09:24 PM
Jan 2016

I am sure you are familiar with that saying, "If you want a friend in Washington, get a dog."

After President Obama was in the White House, he was given a beautiful Portugese Water Dog by Ted Kennedy. After giving the matter some more thought, Kennedy gave Obama a second dog. I guess he thought Obama might really need two.

The "First Dog" but not the last....




https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bo_%28dog%29



Sam

Samantha

(9,314 posts)
157. I love dogs as well, malokvale, cats, most animals really
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 11:41 PM
Jan 2016

Petting dogs can be a source of stress relief. I believe I will be petting my dog Cheyenne a lot when the political dog days of summer get really truly heated up. It has started already and it is only January. Looks like a climate change in the political world is going to test the animal in us all. I am ready because I have seen this coming. I hope you are as well.

Sam

Mike Nelson

(10,138 posts)
118. If Bernie wins Iowa and New Hampshire...
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 08:42 PM
Jan 2016

...many of those "non-enemies" will be sharpening their blades.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
203. We're past the sharpening phase. The GOP has an entire plan of attack ready if
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 06:40 PM
Jan 2016

Bernie becomes the nominee. And it would be devastating. They're hoping they get the chance to use it.

They know they can beat him easily. They can't believe we would be stupid enough to nominate him.

 

lobodons

(1,290 posts)
132. Nor does Bernie have any Fellow Senator Endorsements
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 09:21 PM
Jan 2016

No Washington enemies OR Washington Friends.

Samantha

(9,314 posts)
144. I believe you know as well as I that that is political and not personal
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 09:59 PM
Jan 2016

Many of those Senators who do like him would never go on record for endorsing him while believing Hillary will win. It would not be to their personal future political well-being to be on record as not supporting Hillary should she win the White House. A great example of that is Elizabeth Warren, who is indeed his friend.

Sam

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
158. Hillary supporters are already spinning this to be a negative
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 11:49 PM
Jan 2016

In another thread they claim he doesn't have enemies because he doesn't fight hard for what he wants. They forget a couple of things. The claim is he has no enemies within the ranks of Democrats and that most certainly was true up til June of this year. And that even Republicans that think he is insane for what he wants to do tend to respect him for being an honest person and he even has a lot of respect in their ranks.

uponit7771

(90,590 posts)
164. This doesn't have to be spun, you don't have GOP enemies in Washington then you're persona non
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 01:50 AM
Jan 2016

... whatever.

That's for damn sure, I don't see how Maddows statement helps Sanders

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
159. Bernie is evolved. Bernie is a true "Mensch."
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 12:14 AM
Jan 2016

He is a wonderful, amazing human being. Humility, along with honesty, ironically, are his strong cards.

uponit7771

(90,590 posts)
161. How is that supposed to be a good thing knowing the GOP these days? I don't think that helped him...
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 01:46 AM
Jan 2016

... the way people have rec'd this thread

Samantha

(9,314 posts)
165. I am not sure exactly what you are saying
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 04:26 AM
Jan 2016

The virtue of being an honest politician has no value when competing against the Republicans? Being an honest broker in a political arena impairs one's ability to effectively deal with his or her opponent?

Perhaps you could clarify?

Sam

raouldukelives

(5,178 posts)
178. Honesty and integrity. If only corporate investors could buy it.
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 11:38 AM
Jan 2016

If they could, it would be hanging form her neck, bright and shining.

It actually works tremendously well when none of the others candidates have much themselves. When they come into contact with the real thing though? There is much wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Samantha

(9,314 posts)
190. Thanks for posting this article
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 01:00 PM
Jan 2016

I just finished reading it.

It is very surprising to me the number of people who have commented on this thread. I would not have thought that one's reputation in politics, when the subject is how does one comport oneself both in political and private life, would be picked up and celebrated as a characteristic overwhelmingly important to voters. We have heard so little on this subject in past elections.

But it is extremely refreshing to know that many, many people have singled out this trait as being super important. That is probably because they have enough sense to realize that if a candidate cannot be honest and trustworthy in the performance of his or her walk down the road of political life, there is no reason to assume that an election to the highest office in the land will change that approach.

One of the reasons Bernie says he receives 25 percent of the Republican votes in Vermont when he runs is because those Republicans say while they do not agree with Sanders on every issue, they know he always tells them the truth. That is very impressive to me.

Thank you for posting on my thread.

Sam

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