2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumATU Calls on Clinton Campaign to Rise Above Tea Party Politics in Healthcare Debate
http://www.atu.org/media/releases/atu-calls-on-clinton-campaign-to-rise-above-tea-party-politics-in-healthcare-debateSilver Spring, MD Larry Hanley, international president of the Amalgamated Transit Union (ATU) issued the following statement in reaction to the Clinton campaign attack on Senator Bernie Sanders stance on Single Payer healthcare.
I am grateful to Senator Sanders and Secretary Clinton for keeping their presidential debate on a higher plane than the Republican candidates until now. The attack launched on Senator Sanders by the Clinton campaign this week, claiming that his long-standing position supporting single payer healthcare could threaten the insurance company supported ACA, is at best disingenuous and a grave error in judgment.
This is an attack we would expect from Wall Street, the New York Post, or Fox News and has no place in a Democratic Primary or politics at all. It is wrong, incendiary and presents America with a false choice; the kind of choice we have become accustomed to hearing from the Tea Party.
Single Payer is the right choice for America and we call on Secretary Clinton to recognize that.
Autumn
(45,120 posts)lewebley3
(3,412 posts)Autumn
(45,120 posts)and the democratic party then back the bus up to drive over them again so fast your head will spin.
tazkcmo
(7,306 posts)MeNMyVolt
(1,095 posts)Can SBS get specific, for once?
HerbChestnut
(3,649 posts)According to recent interviews with Bernie, his proposal will be very similar to a bill he introduced in Congress in 2013 but will end up being cheaper because of advancements through the ACA. I'll let you look up that bill on your own.
BTW, don't listen to Hillary's attacks on that plan. While medicare would be controlled by the states, if a state wished to opt out of the plan the federal government would step in. Nobody would lose their health insurance.
MeNMyVolt
(1,095 posts)Heck, I may even agree. The '13 bill threw everything at the states. Non-starter. Just lay out the damn plan and let everyone decide. Like pulling teeth with this guy.
HerbChestnut
(3,649 posts)He's basing the plan off of that 2013 bill, just tweaking the costs associated with it. He said the new version will be available before Iowa, which is still 2-3 weeks away. In the meantime just read the 2013 bill to get an idea.
MeNMyVolt
(1,095 posts)I already know the '13 bill. Like I said, non-starter in my book.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)comprehensive health care. What's your alternative?
MeNMyVolt
(1,095 posts)Fuddnik
(8,846 posts)MeNMyVolt
(1,095 posts)Like I said, I've seen that. Non-starter.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)as possible. Too many people are still without healthcare as a right. Virtually every other developed country has some form of single payer, not always totally run by the government, but very often mixed, non-profit and national health care.
I lived in four different countries in Europe, had my children during those years and swear by single-payer insurance. It was great in every country, especially in France.
I like it because I have lived it. A lot of people who don't want single payer insurance don't know what it is like to have it and are misinformed about what it is. Many people think it is health insurance that interferes with the relationship between the doctor and the patient.
In my experience, it is our system of for-profit health insurance that interferes in the doctor-patient relationship. First, our private insurance companies often have a list of approved doctors that limits our choice of doctor. I did not experience that in any of the countries I lived in in which we had single payer insurance.
That makes it hard to switch doctors when you have a problem that you know a doctor who is not on your plan would deal with best.
Also, if you have, say German insurance but you are traveling in France, you will probably have no problem if you suddenly need healthcare. At least that was my experience.
And the quality of care? A French doctor saved my life. I am forever grateful. There was no need to ask whether we were insured or how we would pay. We had insurance from a different country.
It's nice to talk about things you know about. This happens to be one thing I know about.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)Just for discussion's sake, if Clinton gave you her basic plan, sans fine details, and Sanders gave you his basic plan, sans details, whom would trust?
kristopher
(29,798 posts)Please provide a quote and link.
If you didn't read the bill itself then cite the specific review of the bill (with a link so we can also look at it and judge the content) and what they author wrote about the bill that causes you to reject it.
It isn't difficult to have a real discussion. How about it?
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)that are a non-starter for you.
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)Dretownblues
(253 posts)Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)Autumn
(45,120 posts)Dretownblues
(253 posts)where Clinton spells out her plan in the detail you are asking Sanders to spell his out?
merrily
(45,251 posts)Autumn
(45,120 posts)They got nothing else to post. Scootaloo isn't the only one who has linked that poster to the specifics.
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)Get that right.
INdemo
(6,994 posts)Will you take time to watch this or do you just want to continue with Hillary's TeaBagger style of attacks?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511014848
cui bono
(19,926 posts)You want single-payer or not? Hillary doesn't. At least last week she didn't. Would be hard for her to fight for it now, so a vote for her is a vote for the health insurance companies at the expense of the people.
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INdemo
(6,994 posts)the huge contributions they have made to her campaign
This is just for
2015-2016 and if I go back to her Senate campaign the amounts would be astronomical.
(If Hillary's Presidential Campaign is not the largest beneficiary of the Health Insurance Companies Contributions she is a very close second and that would be Cruz.
http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/indus.php?ind=H
During Hillary's Senate campaign Hillary Clinton was the largest beneficiary of Health Insurance and Pharmaceutical contributions. So why would she not defend her interests,even if it means attack,attack,and bringing her daughter out with the bumbling unrehearsed attack
CharlotteVale
(2,717 posts)Overseas
(12,121 posts)scottie55
(1,400 posts)Clinton's new motto.
Who cares if we retake the Senate right Chelsea? Hillary?
If you think any American doesn't deserve health care, you belong in a different party.
Try Satan't own Republican Party, where greed is good!!!
senz
(11,945 posts)So they can see for themselves.
Thanks, Divernan!
Segami
(14,923 posts)TIME TO PANIC
(1,894 posts)bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)that she already recognized that Single Payer was the right choice in 1993 and 2008.....and ATU needed to push that part of the hypocrisy.
merrily
(45,251 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,532 posts)Thanks for the thread, Divernan.
Thespian2
(2,741 posts)the 1%er has a problem...where to attack Bernie?...
Medicare for All...single-payer...was an amazingly poor choice for an attack...
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)She has decided to take the low road as far as it goes
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)stillwaiting
(3,795 posts)UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)Babel_17
(5,400 posts)Then the message will be modified.
Douglas Carpenter
(20,226 posts)of the sick and disabled of America at heart. Why can't they see something so obvious?
Douglas Carpenter
(20,226 posts)it is a struggle against single-payer healthcare itself - which both Chelsea an Hillary have made very clear with their recent public pronouncements.
Duval
(4,280 posts)leftofcool
(19,460 posts)And while you are at it, give us the tax plan you promised.
Unknown Beatle
(2,672 posts)She says what the corporations tell her to say.