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bigdarryl

(13,190 posts)
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 02:11 PM Sep 2012

DUMB ASS Tim Kaine just lost the VA. Senate race with his 47% stupid statement in a debate

I knew one of these guys on our side was going to fuck this up in a debate there are a lot of debates coming up among candidates so this thing isn't over now the rethugs and media will pounce on Kaine's statement and EVERY democrat will be asked to denounce his comment including the President http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/20/tim-kaine-47-percent-income-tax_n_1900567.html

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DUMB ASS Tim Kaine just lost the VA. Senate race with his 47% stupid statement in a debate (Original Post) bigdarryl Sep 2012 OP
He has a great commercial running in VA. MADem Sep 2012 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author NewEngland4Obama Sep 2012 #19
That's some serious drama sharp_stick Sep 2012 #2
Particularly if you go to the link and read the full article. MADem Sep 2012 #25
Kaine better make sure that full transcript gets out TroyD Sep 2012 #26
You do know who owns "Politico," I trust? MADem Sep 2012 #37
Noooo! Indpndnt Sep 2012 #34
I agree it was a dumb and not well thought out response. WI_DEM Sep 2012 #3
It was a great response--he said "the 47 percent" pay more percentage of taxes than MITT does! MADem Sep 2012 #27
Imagine this timber84 Sep 2012 #4
Could have just kept his mouth shut budkin Sep 2012 #5
oh. nt cash__whatiwant Sep 2012 #6
Once again, the poor being used as punching bags for politicians Daniel537 Sep 2012 #7
Not smart, but not as bad as anything Romney has said... Silent3 Sep 2012 #8
Why did he say it? TroyD Sep 2012 #9
It is George Allen aka Mr. Macaca. Jennicut Sep 2012 #14
Right. I know it's George Allen TroyD Sep 2012 #15
LOL. They are all the same anyways! Jennicut Sep 2012 #17
But don't bring Adam West into this...he's still mayor of Quahog. Ken Burch Sep 2012 #63
Read the article--he refused to shut down the possibility to shut UP the line of questioning. MADem Sep 2012 #29
How is that bad? Arkana Sep 2012 #44
Because he didn't say it in 10 words or less? LiberalFighter Sep 2012 #49
Doesn't seem like that big of a deal to me arcane1 Sep 2012 #10
+1 N/T left on green only Sep 2012 #35
He isn't going to lose the race that way. Jennicut Sep 2012 #11
Nate Silver gives him a 75% chance of winning as of today TroyD Sep 2012 #13
What an idiot. woolldog Sep 2012 #12
George Allen pounces on Tim Kaine tax remark TroyD Sep 2012 #16
The first rule when you are ahead is not to rock the boat TroyD Sep 2012 #18
If it isn't Mr. Sunshine!!! leftynyc Sep 2012 #20
I hope Kaine gets a call from Obama tonight TroyD Sep 2012 #21
Not seeing it fugop Sep 2012 #22
Me too. Nothing alarming here. In fact, I think I'll send Kaine this weekend's FSogol Sep 2012 #43
Talk about an overeaction ;) askyeshua Sep 2012 #23
Dumb Ass? You're being far too kind.... Jeff In Milwaukee Sep 2012 #24
Jeff, didn't you read the article--he DID say that. He said EVERYONE PAYS TAXES. MADem Sep 2012 #31
Such an out-of-context bit of drama fugop Sep 2012 #32
His statement about everybody paying a minimum.... Jeff In Milwaukee Sep 2012 #45
Jeff, he did not say what you're accusing him of saying. MADem Sep 2012 #46
It is NOT open for discussion... Jeff In Milwaukee Sep 2012 #47
Jeff, he said that to SHUT UP GREGORY. And ANYTHING is open for discussion; censorship MADem Sep 2012 #50
And THIS is why so many American vote against their own interests... Jeff In Milwaukee Sep 2012 #51
Now, you're simply being obstreperous and insulting. Do what you want with your "pair," MADem Sep 2012 #52
Please stay out of politics.... Jeff In Milwaukee Sep 2012 #53
Jeff, I know I deliver more Democratic voters to the polls in one election--to include any primary-- MADem Sep 2012 #54
Speaking of junior high... Jeff In Milwaukee Sep 2012 #56
Yes, yours certainly was--glad you're acknowledging it. Keep your "pair" dry, now... nt MADem Sep 2012 #58
Oooo...The dreaded "You're one, what am I?" Jeff In Milwaukee Sep 2012 #59
Jeff, stop showing us that set of yours--we've seen enough of it already. MADem Sep 2012 #60
You seem to be obsessed with my testicles... Jeff In Milwaukee Sep 2012 #61
You're the one who brought them up; take your own advice--and stop worrying so much about what MADem Sep 2012 #62
I never offered that advice... Jeff In Milwaukee Sep 2012 #64
Keep pounding that "Doom and Gloom" drum, Jeff~! I see you coming a country mile away! MADem Sep 2012 #65
Post removed Post removed Sep 2012 #66
I found the point, Jeff, the minute you chimed in-every time you post, you most certainly make it. MADem Sep 2012 #67
Actually his remark might have won him the state. JRLeft Sep 2012 #28
You have *got* to be kidding me. Ikonoklast Sep 2012 #30
Why not just tell the truth? animalcrackers Sep 2012 #33
Dumbass posts that announce that anyone has lost an election such as the one you posted FrenchieCat Sep 2012 #36
Well said! nt MADem Sep 2012 #38
Now I despise the OP even more knowing it keeps you away. great white snark Sep 2012 #57
You are WAY over-reacting. Please, chill out and save the drama for your mama. RBInMaine Sep 2012 #39
I sincerely hope not. KamaAina Sep 2012 #40
Posted earlier. elleng Sep 2012 #41
There's a DUMB ASS here alright. nt Guy Whitey Corngood Sep 2012 #42
Pretty obvious who it is too Coyotl Sep 2012 #48
Ridiculous post Cali_Democrat Sep 2012 #55
That is not half as bad as you made it sound in the headline- lol. nt cecilfirefox Sep 2012 #68
I think people are grossly over reacting to this davidpdx Sep 2012 #69
Disagree n/t Blue Yorker Oct 2012 #70

MADem

(135,425 posts)
1. He has a great commercial running in VA.
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 02:15 PM
Sep 2012

It mentions that he cut his salary as governor, and Allen raised his four times.

It's a good ad.

The guy didn't necessarily fuck up--for every minimum tax, there can just as easily be a minimum deduction. Don't get overly excited.

Response to MADem (Reply #1)

sharp_stick

(14,400 posts)
2. That's some serious drama
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 02:16 PM
Sep 2012

injected into a single subject line.


I stepped on a sidewalk crack, it's all over Man! Mom's gonna kill me when her back snaps!

MADem

(135,425 posts)
25. Particularly if you go to the link and read the full article.
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 03:35 PM
Sep 2012

The highlighted exchange is a particular gem, and Kaine scored well in it, too:

GREGORY: Do you believe everyone in Virginia should pay something in federal income taxes?

KAINE: Everyone pays taxes.

GREGORY: But federal income taxes?

KAINE: I would be open to a proposal that would have some minimum tax level for everyone. But I do insist -- many of the 47 percent that Gov. Romney was going after pay a higher percentage of their income in taxes than he does.


I think Kaine made an important point, there.

Gloom/doom/abandon hope whines seem to sell better around here--I don't understand it, frankly.

TroyD

(4,551 posts)
26. Kaine better make sure that full transcript gets out
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 03:38 PM
Sep 2012

Because as the Politico article I posted points out, Allen has already gone to the press with Kaine's remarks and 'pounced' on them.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
37. You do know who owns "Politico," I trust?
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 04:04 PM
Sep 2012

The wingnut Allbritton bunch--you know, the same assclowns who managed to get Bill Maher's "Politically Incorrect" show cancelled because he dared to say the asshole Nahn Wun Wun hijackers weren't lacking in stones when they did their stupid deed.

They owned the DC affiliate that broadcast PI--once the show wasn't seen in DC, it might have well have not been seen at all. The good news is that ABC's loss ended up being HBO's gain.

In any event...ALWAYS consider the source, be it a television show, a newpaper or website article, or even a thread here at DU. When people cry gloom and doom, they often have a reason, and the reasons can be as varied as the individuals shopping the shit.

Kaine has some great ads airing in VA--I am passing through the state and have noticed them. They are very effective.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
27. It was a great response--he said "the 47 percent" pay more percentage of taxes than MITT does!
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 03:38 PM
Sep 2012

Don't buy the OP or the headline--read the actual article. Kaine drew a nice little bit blood with that exchange.

 

Daniel537

(1,560 posts)
7. Once again, the poor being used as punching bags for politicians
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 02:20 PM
Sep 2012

Nothing new here. Same old blue-dog bullshit.

Silent3

(15,210 posts)
8. Not smart, but not as bad as anything Romney has said...
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 02:23 PM
Sep 2012

...and (whether he meant it or not) he could say that he was talking only about higher-income members of that 47% who aren't paying income tax.

TroyD

(4,551 posts)
9. Why did he say it?
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 02:26 PM
Sep 2012

Was he trying to appeal to the right-wing voters?

But since I assume Allen West has the same views, is it likely to make a difference in that state?

But it goes back to what some of us have been saying all week - never assume that it is in the bag. Don't get overconfident.

TroyD

(4,551 posts)
15. Right. I know it's George Allen
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 02:32 PM
Sep 2012

I wrote Allen West by mistake because I had just been on the Allen West thread.

Jennicut

(25,415 posts)
17. LOL. They are all the same anyways!
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 02:37 PM
Sep 2012

I can't decide who is worse on that one: Allen "80% of Dems are communists" West or George "Macaca" Allen.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
29. Read the article--he refused to shut down the possibility to shut UP the line of questioning.
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 03:41 PM
Sep 2012

And he SKEWERED RMoney in the process.

Again, the key exchange, from the link:

GREGORY: Do you believe everyone in Virginia should pay something in federal income taxes?

KAINE: Everyone pays taxes.

GREGORY: But federal income taxes?

KAINE: I would be open to a proposal that would have some minimum tax level for everyone. But I do insist -- many of the 47 percent that Gov. Romney was going after pay a higher percentage of their income in taxes than he does.
 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
10. Doesn't seem like that big of a deal to me
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 02:27 PM
Sep 2012

I disagree with hi, and I would not be "open" to such a proposal, but it hardly seems like a disaster or game-changer.

Jennicut

(25,415 posts)
11. He isn't going to lose the race that way.
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 02:28 PM
Sep 2012

Its VA. The fact that Allen is even a legitimate candidate there and McDonnell is the Gov says a lot about the state. Kaine is a blue dog in a purplish state. And in the polling he has been ahead or at the very least tied.

TroyD

(4,551 posts)
13. Nate Silver gives him a 75% chance of winning as of today
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 02:29 PM
Sep 2012

And who knows whether this will even be a big issue there.

But it is a valuable warning to all candidates everywhere - be careful what you say and don't take anything for granted!!!

 

woolldog

(8,791 posts)
12. What an idiot.
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 02:29 PM
Sep 2012

Don't think he loses the race because of it, but that's an unforced error, as they say in tennis.

TroyD

(4,551 posts)
18. The first rule when you are ahead is not to rock the boat
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 02:51 PM
Sep 2012

Kaine is ahead in this race. There was no need for him to try and pander to those who want a crackdown on the '47%'.

Secondly, the heat should have been directed at Allen in this debate and made him accountable for Romney's remarks since he is running under the Republican banner, and now it looks like Kaine is the one who is going to be in all the headlines for messing up.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
20. If it isn't Mr. Sunshine!!!
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 02:58 PM
Sep 2012

Any more bad news to share, more doom and gloom to spread around. You really are very tiresome.

TroyD

(4,551 posts)
21. I hope Kaine gets a call from Obama tonight
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 03:05 PM
Sep 2012

And is told to be careful what he says for the next 6 weeks.

fugop

(1,828 posts)
22. Not seeing it
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 03:06 PM
Sep 2012

My response: Yawn.

I'm just not seeing this as a game changer. I even read a couple of pieces about the debate (from the WaPo and from Richmond) and ... fair coverage. I'm just not seeing this as a big deal. Then again, I think debates rarely do shift anything dramatically. Every bit of evidence I've read suggests they are what they are. Had Kaine tanked the whole debate, I don't know. Maybe. Had Allen come out with one good "MACACA!" ... maybe.

But I'm not seeing anything alarming from this. Really.

askyeshua

(59 posts)
23. Talk about an overeaction ;)
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 03:14 PM
Sep 2012

Take a chill pill bro. Granted he goofed, but as has been already pointed out, he is running against the Macaca guy, and I am not sure this will go anywhere past next couple days of news cycles. So calm down, and try decaf

Jeff In Milwaukee

(13,992 posts)
24. Dumb Ass? You're being far too kind....
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 03:16 PM
Sep 2012

I can't believe someone would be to cataclysmically stupid (maybe I'm being too kind) to walk into this trap. THE ANSWER for you Democratic Candidates who read DU is this:

The 47% pay Social Security taxes, they pay Medicare/Medicaid taxes, they pay Motor Fuel taxes, they pay Excise taxes, they pay State taxes, they pay Municipal taxes, they pay Municipal Fees, they pay School Fees, and a host of other payments to support the federal, state and local infrastructure.


What a dumb ass....

MADem

(135,425 posts)
31. Jeff, didn't you read the article--he DID say that. He said EVERYONE PAYS TAXES.
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 03:46 PM
Sep 2012

And then he said the 47 percent pay more in taxes as a percentage of income than MITT did!

This is one of those "concern threads," nothing more.

GREGORY: Do you believe everyone in Virginia should pay something in federal income taxes?
KAINE: Everyone pays taxes.

GREGORY: But federal income taxes?

KAINE: I would be open to a proposal that would have some minimum tax level for everyone. But I do insist -- many of the 47 percent that Gov. Romney was going after pay a higher percentage of their income in taxes than he does.

fugop

(1,828 posts)
32. Such an out-of-context bit of drama
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 03:50 PM
Sep 2012

But I guess with all the bad news for the GOP, people are really reaching to pin something on a Democrat.

Tim Kaine was fine. And Allen's ad is a lie, if it's actually saying Tim Kaine WANTS this kind of tax. Tim Kaine said he's open to a proposal ... he didn't say he's making such a proposal.

This is just .. like I said, reaching for something to hit a Democrat with. I guess too much good news is bound to cause drama over nothing. I just don't see a problem here.

Jeff In Milwaukee

(13,992 posts)
45. His statement about everybody paying a minimum....
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 07:51 AM
Sep 2012

Is a dumb ass statement. So we're supposed to go to a disabled veteran and say, "We think you should pay us something because...you know...just because."

Stupid freaking statement that supports the Republican meme and undercuts HIS OWN POINT. When you're talking about people who don[t pay taxes, but should, the only words that should come out of your mouth should be the litany of corporations who rig the tax code to their benefit, and a certain Presidential candidate who parks his money offshore.

Suggesting that everybody should pay something is to suggest that my 79-year-old mother who lives on Social Security should start paying taxes on her benefits.

Edit: Although I admit that "Kaine lost the election" is a little over-the-top. He just didn't help himself.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
46. Jeff, he did not say what you're accusing him of saying.
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 08:12 AM
Sep 2012

His point, which hit home, was that the 47 percent in Romney's mind pay more in taxes as a percentage of their income than RMoney ever did. The "open" bit was strictly "open to discuss" not "open to approve."

As I said, you can tax everyone and you can also give them an exemption. It's a game people play. The GOP does it with vigor. Kaine was shutting down a line of questioning by saying "I will listen to those proposals" and nothing more.

Jeff In Milwaukee

(13,992 posts)
47. It is NOT open for discussion...
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 08:53 AM
Sep 2012

Understand that? NOT. As in: No fucking way are we going to start taxing poor people just because a pack of plutocrats think we should. It's a non-starter. It's not subject to debate because it's a hateful idea.

When Kaine says, "Oh maybe. We could discuss it." He's undercutting a fundamental progressive premise that rich people are supposed to pay more than poor people. And he makes himself look weak. When a Republican drags out this lame talking point, the proper response is to spit in his eye.

This lack of message discipline is why we lose elections.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
50. Jeff, he said that to SHUT UP GREGORY. And ANYTHING is open for discussion; censorship
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 10:54 AM
Sep 2012

is not the way of the Democratic Party. Kaine isn't in favor of taxing poor people either--they are already taxed, as he pointed out.

He simply said he'd discuss the point, not that he agreed to it.

You are refusing, for reasons that are unclear to me, to acknowledge Kaine's nuance in the discussion. He accomplished two things by saying what he said--he shut down Gregory's line of questioning, and moved the debate forward so he could articulate positions of importance to him.

Your last sentence is very curious--we're on a winning team; those of us who are Democrats, that is--and that's a nice place to be. We are not lockstep monoliths with a single POV, we're Democrats. Kaine is a bit to my right in some regards, but he's a Democrat who will exercise discipline when the leader in the Senate tells him to, and that's good enough for me.

We will win this Presidential contest, and if we stay focused, we'll earn some downticket gains, too. Kaine has Macaca Man on the ropes, so your gloom/doom predictions are curious with regard to this election.

Jeff In Milwaukee

(13,992 posts)
51. And THIS is why so many American vote against their own interests...
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 10:59 AM
Sep 2012

You know that old saying about never bring a knife to a gun fight? You're bringing a wet dishrag.

Until Democrats grow a pair and learn how to bring a powerful and consistent message, the Republicans will continue to prosper.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
52. Now, you're simply being obstreperous and insulting. Do what you want with your "pair,"
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 11:10 AM
Sep 2012

and when the Democrats score a decisive win this fall, you might want to think about how being bullying and unilateral -- a classic Bushco tactic -- doesn't work.

We are the Big Tent party, and in a big tent, you see a wide range of views. If you can't deal with that, go huddle in one corner of the big tent, but don't ever think you're going to enjoy a My Way or the Highway Democratic Party. Our broad appeal is a consequence of our tolerance for differing views.

Jeff In Milwaukee

(13,992 posts)
53. Please stay out of politics....
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 12:03 PM
Sep 2012

Candidate MADem? Will you fight for the middle class?
-- Why yes, I will. Although I'm open to discussion about screwing to the fucking wall.

Candidate MADem? Will you protect the environment?
-- Why yes, I will. But I'm willing to talk about gutting the EPA and the Endangered Species Act.

Candidate MADem? Are you pro-choice?
-- Why yes, I am. But I'm willing to discuss banning abortion.

This is not a fucking school debate. It's a fucking political campaign. This is about putting forward a consistent message that people will remember when they go into the voters booth. Saying that you'd be opening to forcing elderly and poor persons to federal income taxes (even when they can't afford it), if a fucking stupid position, it's not a progressive position, and no candidate should be "open to debate" on the subject.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
54. Jeff, I know I deliver more Democratic voters to the polls in one election--to include any primary--
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 12:27 PM
Sep 2012

than you ever have in your life. So forgive me if I pay scant attention to your hectoring "internet scoldings" replete with junior high invective.

Take your "fucking school debate" and stick it wherever it makes you happy. Your immaturity is disheartening to see on a Democratic message board and it does not advance the party's core values--it just makes you continue to appear to be childish and obstreperous. I remain pleased, though, that you do not represent the majority of Democrats with your O'Reilly-like blustering and demands for lockstep loyalty on any particular issue. That is not how the party operates--a Democrat in Massachusetts is often holding very different views than a Democrat in Montana--and this is the truth even if you don't happen to like it. Our party does have regional flavors, so, to use your "My Way or the Highway" attitude, you're just going to have to DEAL WITH THAT.

One more time, just to make it perfectly clear--one can discuss an issue without ever "agreeing" to it. Discussion gives one an opportunity to refute the opposing views all the more decisively. Saying "Shut the fuck up because I said so" and "Naah naaah naaah I can't HEEEEAAAR YOU!!!" is what the OTHER team does--not the Democrats. So you should just stop doing that.

Persuasion--not dictation. That's how we win. Try it sometime. For a change.

Jeff In Milwaukee

(13,992 posts)
56. Speaking of junior high...
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 01:03 PM
Sep 2012

That was quite an impressive rant that the failed to persuade or to dictate.

Jeff In Milwaukee

(13,992 posts)
61. You seem to be obsessed with my testicles...
Sat Sep 22, 2012, 02:36 PM
Sep 2012

which is telling just about all I need to know about you.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
62. You're the one who brought them up; take your own advice--and stop worrying so much about what
Sat Sep 22, 2012, 04:54 PM
Sep 2012

others "seem to" be doing; because you are always wrong.

Jeff In Milwaukee

(13,992 posts)
64. I never offered that advice...
Sat Sep 22, 2012, 05:10 PM
Sep 2012

Just reread that thread and I never said anything even remotely of the kind. No wonder trying to discuss something with you is so utterly pointless. You hear what you think you hear. Sounds like Dissociative Identity Disorder, but I'll leave that to the professionals.

The point is this. When your political opponent offers up an issue with which you can beat him senseless, you simply say "Thank You" and start pounding. You don't say, "You know, you may have a point" because that pretty much takes away the advantage that you had. For Tim Kaine to say, "Well, I'd be open to a discussion" about taxing the income of disabled veterans and the elderly, is politically stupid.

And I'm not the only one who thinks so:

David Gregory asked Kaine, a Democrat running for Senate in centrist Virginia, whether everyone in the state should be required to pay something in federal income taxes. Kaine said he is “open” to the idea. He stumbled into a trap Republicans had set for themselves. (Stromberg - Washington Post)


Mitt Romney and (apparently) Tim Kaine aren’t the only politicians who have a problem with poor and middle class people paying no income tax. In April, House Majority Leader Eric Cantor worried “[O]ver 45 percent of the people in this country don’t pay income taxes at all, and we have to question whether that’s fair.” “Part of the problem is today, only 53% pay any federal income tax at all; 47% pay nothing,” said Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN) last July, ahead of her presidential primary candidacy. “We need to broaden the base so that everybody pays something, even if it’s a dollar.” (Talking Points Memo)


Shortly after leaving the debate stage, Allen went after his Democratic opponent, telling reporters: “It’s typical of Tim Kaine. His record is always one of looking to raise taxes. When he was governor, he tried to raise taxes on people earning as little as $17,000 a year. He wanted to raise taxes on buying used cars.”
Kaine, who had said in the debate that he would be open to “some minimum tax level for everyone,” later qualified his statement, noting that he had not actually proposed a minimum income tax. (Virginia Politcs)


This is one of the dumbest ways a politician can get tripped up. No one -- literally no one -- has a serious proposal that would make "everyone" pay a minimum income tax. This was obvious in 2011, when Michele Bachmann was occasionally asked to explain this concept, and muttered some stuff about even paying "a dollar" would learn 'em about how government cost money. Any Democrat, especially a Virginia Democrat, knows that any statement that sounds like willingness to raise taxes can be turned into 100,000 or so TV ads. (Slate)


Thursday, Democrat Tim Kaine said he is "open" to a new tax that would hit all Americans, even the poorest. Meanwhile Republicans are putting together political ads featuring Kaine's remarks. (examiner.com)


Politico simply referred to Kaine's statement as an "unforced error" which is about as kind as it gets.

BONUS MATERIAL: Guess what George Allen has as the lead story on his website. If you said, "Tim Kaine making a fool of himself over poor people and taxes" you'd be right.

http://virginiaforgeorgeallen.com/?gclid=CKqX9qqOyrICFStgMgodelkA6g

So tell me again how this was a brilliant political move...

MADem

(135,425 posts)
65. Keep pounding that "Doom and Gloom" drum, Jeff~! I see you coming a country mile away!
Sun Sep 23, 2012, 06:36 PM
Sep 2012

You're quoting David "Corporate Sellout" Gregory as your "back up?" And then you tell us what Macaca Boy has on HIS website, like that matters?

Ohhh kay....

I just left Virginia this afternoon. I'm not worried about Kaine's prospects. But you go on ahead and stew in all the "concern" you can muster, now.

Response to MADem (Reply #65)

MADem

(135,425 posts)
67. I found the point, Jeff, the minute you chimed in-every time you post, you most certainly make it.
Mon Sep 24, 2012, 12:22 AM
Sep 2012

It's as plain as the nose on your face--you just can't help yourself. You can't argue on the merits; you have to get personal and fling shit. Talk about a waste of time.

And your personal insults reflect on you--and you alone. Most Deocrats I know can disagree without being disagreeable, but that plainly is not a talent of yours--your last sentence in your most recent post clearly reflects your inability on that score.

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
30. You have *got* to be kidding me.
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 03:44 PM
Sep 2012

That doesn't even register on the meter.

But, keep up with the agenda. It's your time to waste.

animalcrackers

(93 posts)
33. Why not just tell the truth?
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 03:51 PM
Sep 2012

Just give the facts of who is the 47%, that they do contribute to the economy, and that being part of this 47% doe not mean you are an unemployed tit sucking leach who has no personal responsibility. I mean wasn't the creation of the deductions that led to this number largely due to Reagan/Bush tax reform (EITC for example) - reform that was put in place to encourage people into the job market? The EITC is widely regarded as sucessful, and it would be hard for republicans to denounce Reagan policies (if they do it just highlights the current trends int the GOP). Hell, he could even cite the CTJ, there findins show that the current tax system is relatively proportional for total taxes paid to total income earned. sigh

FrenchieCat

(68,867 posts)
36. Dumbass posts that announce that anyone has lost an election such as the one you posted
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 04:04 PM
Sep 2012

is what keeps me away from here,
and keeps me working to register voters!

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
40. I sincerely hope not.
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 05:54 PM
Sep 2012

Remember, Sen. Macaca was being groomed for the pResidency before the macaca incident. If he somehow manages to win this, he'll be rehabilitated the way Soviet leaders used to be from time to time.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
69. I think people are grossly over reacting to this
Mon Sep 24, 2012, 07:37 AM
Sep 2012

But then again this is DU, so why should it surprise anyone. I think it was a mistake for him to say it, but I'm not throwing an all out shit fit about it. Geesh get a grip people!

Some of the comments up thread are extremely and bullying nature.

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