If you don't try, You'e guaranteed to fail

[Armstead]

That, IMO, is basically what is at stake.

We can't do anything meaningful because of those Big Bad Republicans.

Do we give up and go home, and whine about those bad old Republicans, those mean old bullies who constantly kick sand in our faces?

Been hearing that crap since 1980.

Fuck that noise.

If you don't try you''re guaranteed to fail.

[Skwmom]

1. The corporate Democrats use the Republicans as a scare tactic to keep the left in line

and the Corporate Republicans do the same on their side.

People are getting tired of the game which is why the number of Independents is growing.

[farleftlib]

2. That's HRC's whole gameplan

Let the other side frame the debate and put up minimal resistance to the continued movement to the right because that's the only way we're going to "win."

[GoneFishin]

3. I am sick of it too. I am amazed that a large number of people still fall for this juvenile scam.

[darkangel218]

6. Maybe they have ulterior motives.

I mean, who in their right mind would oppose a single payer system??

I think their motives are much deeper than that.

[GoneFishin]

7. I totally agree. People can pretend to be anyone here, so a little deductive reasoning can be your

guide.

[HereSince1628]

4. Risk our dry powder? not play it safe? C'mon, Be PRAGMATIC!

[Armstead]

8. That powder is desiccated by now

[darkangel218]

5. "If you don't try you''re guaranteed to fail."

+ 1 million!!

[Half-Century Man]

9. Nearly my entire adult life the republicans and republican lites had held power.

Bernie!
Because fuck all that.

[brooklynite]

10. If the choice was try and succeed vs try and fail and continue, I'd agree...

...the problem is when the choice is try and succeed vs. try and fail and fall back.

I can survive a Republican administration; can you?

[Armstead]

15. I've survived many Republican administrations. But that is not the only choice

In terms of the general election there are no guarantees either way. Both Clinton and Sanders are a mix of pluses and minuses

...And I seem to remember this fellow from Chicago who many people said was "too big a risk" and just a "big empty talker whose cultish followers were an unrealistic minority" and we should stick with safe Clinton or the Republicans would win.

My larger point beyond Bernie is the defeatism that seems to emerge from the status quo faction at every election. Can't do this so don't rock the boat. Don't reach for anything, just hold on to what we've got. ..That same defeatism also prevails between big elections.

It comes into sharper focus at times like this. It's frustrating to see "we really can't do anything" as the constant default establishment message to beat back movements for reform and positive pro-active change.

[bvar22]

19. A few people have it really, REALLY GOOD under the Status Quo....

They can "survive a Republican Administration".
In fact, the Upper Class has rigged the game so that whichever Party "WINS",
they do well.
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Just saying.

[pnwmom]

11. You can try for steady incremental progressive change, or you can promise a revolution

even though we have a Constitutional system set up to make it next to impossible.

[Armstead]

16. Today, even eeeentsy bitsy change is considered a "revolution" if it's "too liberal"

[Cassiopeia]

12. not because they are easy, but because they are hard;

When did the Democratic party become such cowards in the face of challenges?

Oh yeah, when the millions corrupted so many of it's politicians.

[Art_from_Ark]

17. Here's the Eeyore Brigade version of that speech

"We choose to launch a satellite in this decade-- or maybe next decade, or the decade after that-- and perhaps do some other things, not because they are easy, but because they aren't unicorns; because that goal will serve to pad our portfolios, and that challenge is one that may be realistic and pragmatic enough to accept, albeit one we are willing to postpone, if we think we can't win"

[Still In Wisconsin]

14. "You miss 100% of the shots you don't take." -Wayne Gretsky

With Hillary it would be more like, "Let's try and hold the puck as much as possible so we only lose 2-0 instead of 4-1.

[xocet]

18. Clearly, you just want a unicorn. n/t