Nobody ever claimed that JUST electing Bernie president would change everything.

[Ken Burch]

Sanders supporters have always made it clear that that was only going to be part of the job.

We will carry on the work long after the votes are cast.

We will be mobilizing for continued voter registration, political education, AND the creation of a long-term movement for social justice economic justice, and the birth of democracy in this country.

We will work not only in presidential politics, but in local and state politics(both electoral and direct democratic politics such as initiative campaigns)to overturn gerrymandering, end voter suppression, and break the grip of corporate control of our political system.

We will use traditional methods of peaceful protest and create new nonviolent tactics, using popular culture, social media and good old person-to-person communication.

We will not rest until the stranglehold of the existing order is loosened, and the inner chains of fear, cynicism and defeatism are broken with the minds of all.

We see this year as the beginning, not the end. And we have no illusions at all.

[Cali_Democrat]

1. Where were you guys in 2014?

When Republicans took control of the Senate?

What about 2010 when they took control of the House?

[Quixote1818]

2. Are you suggesting only Sanders supporters didn't show up last time?

Not really sure what your point is. 85% of DU is for Sanders and I quite doubt too many DU folks every stay home for an election.

[MrMickeysMom]

6. That's revealing...

Cali_Dem is suggesting perhaps that we are the Democrats as opposed to ....?

By the way, I agree with your statement. I know where I've been all this time. I remember how I raised hell and was upset at the impeachment of George W Bush that was taken OFF the table by a Democratic majority of the House.

[yuiyoshida]

10. Yup Nancy Pelosi took it off the table

I know I was pissed.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

15. Later she bragged that she stood up to her base and Boehner should do the same.

[MrMickeysMom]

24. See how that works?

Er, uh... oops...

[Ken Burch]

3. A lot of us were out there doing everything we could.

Where the hell was Obama in those years?

He didn't do a damn thing to fight the rise of the Tea Party and he refused to lead "fire up the base" campaigns to save the Democratic majorities.

The Beltway wing of the party just conceded defeat from the start, both times.

(and in 2010, a lot of current Sanders supporters weren't even old enough to vote yet).

[SleeplessinSoCal]

17. in 2014 I think you'll find people here begging Elizabeth Warren to run

I remember it well.

Well, what if Warren were to endorse HRC? I think she may. She is more pragmatic than Bernie and has been working extremely hard to go after Wall Street.

[Proserpina]

19. Not a chance in Hell of that happening

There are no flies on Elizabeth.

[SleeplessinSoCal]

20. just you wait.

If she doesn't endorse anyone, then what?

[Proserpina]

22. No law says she has to

and if anyone would refuse to do the expected, it's Elizabeth Warren

[tk2kewl]

23. it's the party's responsibility to run candidates that people want to vote for

blaming voters in bs

[SleeplessinSoCal]

31. you can't force someone to run. nor prevent them from running.

Some DU members ought to start running for office if they really want the sort of change debated here. The Tea Party is so far ahead of Socialists in terms of an actual political force. It's like 100 to 1. And the power needed for that change lies with Congress.

[Skwmom]

25. Disgusted they tuned out

Nobody forced Obama to make his corporate appointments. He made that decision all on his own.

One of Clinton's rare truthful moments - when in a debate during the 2008 election she voiced frustration with the voters exclaiming he (Obama) is no different than me.

[fredamae]

26. Where were we Jan 20, 2009? n/t

[Nay]

29. I know where I've been -- in the voting booth every time. nt

[DFW]

5. I would hope that is their intent

No matter WHO wins the nomination or the Presidency.

Just as electing Bernie president will not solve everything overnight, nor will the election of someone else as president be cause to abandon all efforts at reform. No one here threw in the towel in 2000 or 2004, did they?

[jeff47]

27. The fight is much longer and harder when you have to battle both parties. (nt)

[Live and Learn]

7. I believe that is exactly what worries them so much. nt

[TDale313]

8. It's the easy and lazy attack.

Pretend Bernie supporters are all dumb and naive and expecting a pony the day he's elected. Easier than accepting that there are actual real systemic issues people are reacting to, that many are not going to accept the status quo any more, that we get the job ahead and the obstacles, but feel supporting candidates who see the issues and make the case and at least will suit up for the fight matters.

[Nay]

30. Perfect response, Dale. nt

[Scruffy1]

9. K&R. Been following Manny for years. NT

[Indepatriot]

11. I'm planning on starting a Unicorn Ranch right after Bernie's nominated......

Right after I close down the Red Herring Farm HRC's supporters are running...

[Marty McGraw]

12. No one is going to stop you

and if that herring pond gets too clogged with unicorn poop I'm sure Joe the plumber would be happy to clear out your drains.

May your grazing fields be plentiful and never yield the need to encroach upon any neighboring BLM Land.

[Peace Patriot]

13. YES. WE. CAN.

Thank you, Ken!

[nxylas]

14. Bernie is the Mockingjay

Every movement needs a symbol to inspire it.

[SoapBox]

16. Exactly.

The Political Revolution...top to bottom.

[djean111]

18. That's just a meme du jour. The hilariously illogical expansion of that seems to be

something like "a Democratic president will never get anything past a GOP Congress anyway, so you should support Hillary, even though you do not like her on her record and the issues, because, um, being president is would just be a sort of ceremonial thingy anyway, like being Queen of England. S0 - support someone you don't want, because hey! it doesn't matter anyway!"

I am quite afraid of whatever Hillary WOULD accomplish, given her Third Way persona and preference for war.
So that meme makes no sense whatsoever None.
And you are right, we have no illusions at all. About either candidate.

[Kalidurga]

21. Sometimes people accuse others of believing what they themselves believe.

It never occurred to me that Hillary supporters thought that getting her in office would end the fight for women's rights and that she would get her progressive agenda through without any help at all. But, then the way they are slinging around accusations against Bernie supporters being naive and just wanting free stuff and thinking that he will do it all, well...

[Uncle Joe]

28. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, Ken Burch.