2016 Postmortem
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(9,904 posts)WillyT
(72,631 posts)JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,355 posts)Thanks for the thread, Logical.
Duval
(4,280 posts)Wounded Bear
(58,648 posts)It's what makes them what they are. Jon has long been one of the best.
I'm not sure who he means by "we". I think Bernie is doing so well because to voters, it *doesn't* come off as lunacy to them. Look at the man's trust/honesty poll responses, they're off the charts. I think lunacy is just what we've been fed for so long, that they just got accustomed to serving it and people have been waiting for authenticity all along.
And real lunacy is over in the Republican Party this year, and I expect that will be the public verdict in November.
SammyWinstonJack
(44,130 posts)sammythecat
(3,568 posts)Republicans and, I'd say, Hillary supporters. Can't get more stage managed and focus group driven than she is
Populist_Prole
(5,364 posts)Perfect example of how we're being the frogs in a pot of water.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)I have to totally disagree with this statement. I know what he's trying to get at but he's accepting the premise that the MSM and Hillary and her supporters are pushing, that he's a crazy old man yelling at clouds.
That's bullshit.
He's coming across as real and caring about our country and its people.
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draa
(975 posts)The way I took it was they've redefined reality and now people believe what those pricks believe in is the "new" normal. And that by default that makes Sanders look like the crazy one.
Or at least that's how I read it.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)Look at how many people it doesn't come across as lunacy to, so it doesn't land. Good comedy is rooted in truth and his whole premise is clearly not accurate.
And by putting it out there it reinforces the whole meme.
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draa
(975 posts)LiberalLovinLug
(14,173 posts)Because it is more put out there as a reminder or inoculation for viewers of the MSM that are only casually politically minded. Bernie supporters know he is not crazy. Hillary supporters know he is not crazy (whether they want to admit it or not). And Trump/Cruz/Palin supporters....well they don't matter. Its the mildly aware majority that are susceptible to the MSM and their insinuations of the crazy, unelectable, socialist, Sanders...which will only increase as he gains in the race.
TIME TO PANIC
(1,894 posts)Kentonio
(4,377 posts)bigbrother05
(5,995 posts)He could have stuck around with what he knew would be a goldmine of material, but his generous nature saw it as the best chance for the show to succeed without him. Trevor has done quite well, but if he had started during the slack period following an election cycle, it would have been much tougher and a less forgiving audience.
Jon wanted the show to last beyond himself and made a selfless decision. But don't you know he had to be jumping out of his skin with Palin endorsing Trump.
Kentonio
(4,377 posts)Also the political stuff on the Daily Show now just feels like a hundred other comedy shows just pulling out moments for a cheap laugh. With Jon I always felt like there was an anger and frustration under the laughter that you could feel and share.
sammythecat
(3,568 posts)I think Jon Stewart is a very serious and compassionate person who also has a superb sense of humor.
sammythecat
(3,568 posts)I think you're exactly right. How generous and smart. Not many successful celebrities, at all, would do that. But it's entirely believable to me now that Jon Stewart would think of that and then actually do it. Like I said, how generous and smart.
Thanks for posting that insight.
kristopher
(29,798 posts)That he quit to make a movie. The movie is a documentary about the foolish way people behave in choosing their elected representative and, get this, he illustrates his point by joining with known Democrat Trump and documenting the behind the scenes orchestration involved in a "say anything to get a vote" campaign.
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)colsohlibgal
(5,275 posts)We shall see how it all turns out but there is no doubt that the corporate democratic machine is close to full blown panic. I hope DWS has some anti anxiety medication.
Thank you Bernie and if you win the job here we go!
kenfrequed
(7,865 posts)This cannot be said often enough.
As usual, he is on point.
raouldukelives
(5,178 posts)chervilant
(8,267 posts)and to hundreds of thousands of other voters who are increasingly eager to line up and vote for Bernie!
Faux pas
(14,672 posts)Ivan Kaputski
(528 posts)EndElectoral
(4,213 posts)liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)libdem4life
(13,877 posts)them down to a concise few words...then make them humorous so that one laughs. It's brilliant.
In Medieval days, the Court Jester was just that. He played the Idiot so well that he could allow people to laugh at the King...sometimes, even the King himself.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)perceived comfort of the strong authoritarian leadership of the Wealthy over actual freedom. They have shown that they are willing to give up their freedoms and liberties for the weak promise of security.
In the last 35 years the Wealthy 1% has been killing our loved ones in wars for profit, killing our children with poverty, locking up our loved ones for a fake war on drugs, shooting people of the 99% for being POC, looting our jobs, pensions, and health care, destroying our environment, not funding infrastructure upkeep, deregulating the banks (we lost 5 trillion to the 1% via the crash of 2008), strangling our free press buy purchasing all the major media outlets, etc.
Wake up and smell the class war. The Wealthy 1% (and yes HRC belongs) vs. the 99%. Support the 1% and watch poverty continue to climb.
sorechasm
(631 posts)Poverty will otherwise climb at the same rates that the sea levels and the mercury rises. I'm tired of being the frog in a slowly boiling globe of water. Let's hope we all hop (vote) together at once to get the hell out before this globe becomes a cauldron.