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CorporatistNation

(2,546 posts)
Sat Jan 23, 2016, 11:34 AM Jan 2016

Is Not A History of Demonstrated Good Judgement Fundamental To Being President?

A review of decisions made by Hillary Clinton over the past 15 years does not appear to comport with a demonstrated propensity for quality objective decision making.

In my humble opinion....

"Quality objective decisions are a product of... having previously made good judgements AND decisions."


http://www.tampabay.com/news/politics/national/in-race-defined-by-income-gap-hillary-clintons-wall-street-ties-incite/2262281
"The reason that Bernie is focusing on the speaking fees is that Hillary can't use the Obama defense," said Ed Rendell, a former Pennsylvania governor, who has supported Clinton.

In retrospect, Rendell conceded, Clinton (Hillary),would have been better off giving fewer such speeches.

"Although they needed money, I think that Bill was raking in enough that Hillary didn't have to do it," Rendell said. "To people who earn $200,000 in seven years, it looks ridiculous."


Together, Clinton and her husband, former President Bill Clinton, have earned in excess of $125 million in speech income since leaving the White House, one-fifth of it in the past two years. Goldman Sachs alone paid Clinton $675,000 for three speeches in three different states, a fact Sanders has highlighted repeatedly.


Then Add... Decision to Vote to Invade Iraq: Hillary "Following the Crowd" rather than Leading...


Regime Change In Libya:
(Failure to Anticipate the Consequences) Hillary Laughs!!!


Email Server Issue:
Former Defense Secretary Robert Gates "Likely Russia read Clinton Emails." http://theweek.com/speedreads/600728/did-russia-read-hillary-clintons-emails-robert-gates-says-odds-are-pretty-high

No Fly Zone over Syria: Only Planes other than ours are Russian.... Not a well thought out position!

Hillary Clinton On Foreign policy including her pure acumen related to Quality Judgement and Past Decisions...

The Book on Hillary is Not Very compelling to Objectively support Clinton Incorporated for President.

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Is Not A History of Demonstrated Good Judgement Fundamental To Being President? (Original Post) CorporatistNation Jan 2016 OP
It certainly should be. Her judgment on her IWR vote alone Autumn Jan 2016 #1
The Speaking Fees Demonstrates A Certain Level of Mendacity? CorporatistNation Jan 2016 #5
GREAT Video... Entertaining and Makes ALL The Right Points... HARD!!! CorporatistNation Jan 2016 #8
Excellent points cali Jan 2016 #2
On Benghazi... Judgement.... CorporatistNation Jan 2016 #9
IMO, yes onecaliberal Jan 2016 #3
Her Lack of Overall Maturity in This Video Is Decidedly UN Presidential! CorporatistNation Jan 2016 #4
Watch As Bernie Sanders Stands Up For African Americans... More Good Judgement? CorporatistNation Jan 2016 #6
These Folks NEVER Heard of Bernie Sanders... CorporatistNation Jan 2016 #7
The More They Hear... The More They LIKE Bernie! CorporatistNation Jan 2016 #15
Morning Joe is now saying how impressed he is with Bernie, his experience, his plans, and how he'll ViseGrip Jan 2016 #10
Well Said... Past Judgement(s) Say It All! CorporatistNation Jan 2016 #11
Bernie Di Mention JUDGEMENT Last Night. he Has It She Does Not! CorporatistNation Jan 2016 #21
African American Voters Dumping Hillary For Bernie... CorporatistNation Jan 2016 #12
Yes. elleng Jan 2016 #13
Very Good! Marty May Be A Good Match To Run With Bernie... CorporatistNation Jan 2016 #14
It's the judgement thing for me. moondust Jan 2016 #16
If A History Of Good Judgement Is NOT Key To The Role Of President, Then What Is? CorporatistNation Jan 2016 #17
I Guess That What I Am Hearing Is That Poor Judgement Does NOT Matter? CorporatistNation Jan 2016 #18
Watch For Judgements By Hillary Tonight... She Goes Last So That She can Trash Bernie Without Any CorporatistNation Jan 2016 #19
At least she's been consistent farleftlib Jan 2016 #20

Autumn

(45,168 posts)
1. It certainly should be. Her judgment on her IWR vote alone
Sat Jan 23, 2016, 11:37 AM
Jan 2016

should disqualify her. Her many other lapses are just the icing on the cake.

CorporatistNation

(2,546 posts)
9. On Benghazi... Judgement....
Sat Jan 23, 2016, 01:08 PM
Jan 2016

On Benghazi... Hillary failed to pay attention to, interpret appropriately and act to preemptively address the ongoing risks to our personnel to prevail thus setting the stage for the disaster that in the end took place. Neglect, poor judgement leading to unnecessary risk, based on the SOS's need to secure political points at the risk to embassy personnel. Bernie would have been personally engaged and decisive well before the elements came together for the final catastrophe.

This fiasco did not occur overnight but rather was the end result of a deteriorating political and security environment that was not adequately addressed by the person at the top of the decision chain... Hillary Clinton.

Hillary likes to talk about being a leader... but for someone who invariably places her political needs above those of the nation and our representatives/personnel, she most often fails to effectively and objectively evaluate risk thereby resulting in inappropriate decision making.


In summary, there would more likely than been NO Benghazi to discuss, because it would have been handled in a timely and effective fashion had Bernie Sanders been in the position of Secretary of State. Moreover, the whole Libya thing (warmongering/regime change) by HRC would not have been undertaken by Sanders.

Again, Judgement is the key.
Bernie has it while Hillary has demonstrated that she clearly does not.

CorporatistNation

(2,546 posts)
4. Her Lack of Overall Maturity in This Video Is Decidedly UN Presidential!
Sat Jan 23, 2016, 11:45 AM
Jan 2016
Such acts as "Regime Change" should be discussed with some degree of solemnity rather than chuckled over as is evident here. Another example of unscripted and poor judgement... for someone who wants to be President. Just my opinion...
 

ViseGrip

(3,133 posts)
10. Morning Joe is now saying how impressed he is with Bernie, his experience, his plans, and how he'll
Sat Jan 23, 2016, 01:12 PM
Jan 2016

pay for it all! That is huge!!!! While he was on Joe's show, many republicans called in saying he is their second choice if their repub doesn't make it. You MUST have crossover votes. Hillary doesn't really get them, or enough independents.

This is because of her past decisions. How she handles her work and the explanations that she gives for her decisions, hurt her even more.

OP is spot on. She may have experience but while doing the work she showed poor judgment for sure.

elleng

(132,390 posts)
13. Yes.
Sat Jan 23, 2016, 04:07 PM
Jan 2016

Martin O'Malley:

1. Ended death penalty in Maryland
2. Prevented fracking in Maryland and put regulations in the way to prevent next GOP Gov Hogan fom easily allowing fracking.
3. Provided health insurance for 380,000
4. Reduced infant mortality to an all time low.
5. Provided meals to thousands of hungry children and moved toward a goal for eradicating childhood hunger.
6. Enacted a $10.10 living wage and a $11. minimum wage for State workers.
7. Supporter the Dream Act
8. Cut income taxes for 86% of Marylanders (raised taxes on the rich).
9. Reformed Maryland’s tax code to make it more progressive.
10. Enacted some of the nation’s most comprehensive reforms to protect homeowners from foreclosure.

Mother Jones magazine called him the best candidate on environmental issues.
Article here:
http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2014/12/martin-omalley-longshot-presidential-candidate-and-real-climate-hawk

CorporatistNation

(2,546 posts)
14. Very Good! Marty May Be A Good Match To Run With Bernie...
Sat Jan 23, 2016, 05:30 PM
Jan 2016

However, He should probably be bowing out soon to remove himself as a "buffer" between Hillary and Bernie.

moondust

(20,107 posts)
16. It's the judgement thing for me.
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 12:12 AM
Jan 2016

I've always suspected that her IWR vote probably influenced others in Congress to vote that way as they naturally assumed she had discussed the status of Iraq with her husband, who had received top-level security briefings only a couple years earlier. Nations don't develop WMD programs overnight so Bill should have had a good idea what was going on in Iraq. Add to that influence Clinton friend Tony Blair who also had access to top-level British intelligence, and together they misled an awful lot of people into a catastrophic mistake, perhaps the biggest foreign policy mistake in U.S. history.

Gaddafi did threaten the mass murder of civilians in Benghazi, and I don't blame Obama for protecting them from that. The problem seemed to be mission creep until allied planes were bombing targets all over Libya in support of the rebels. I believe Hillary as SOS bears some responsibility for allowing it to grow like that.

Her naive proposal of a no-fly zone over Syria in Russian air space over Syria sounds like a repeat of her policy choice on Libya, suggesting that she still thinks it turned out well in Libya and she would do it again. Ugh.

(That you, Manny? )

CorporatistNation

(2,546 posts)
17. If A History Of Good Judgement Is NOT Key To The Role Of President, Then What Is?
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 01:09 PM
Jan 2016

If people feel that a record of making quality decisions based on incisive and qualitatively superior judgements is not important, I find it difficult to imagine what other characteristic would be... MORE IMPORTANT? Especially given Hillary's impressive record of making poor decisions over the course of several decades...

CorporatistNation

(2,546 posts)
18. I Guess That What I Am Hearing Is That Poor Judgement Does NOT Matter?
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 08:10 AM
Jan 2016

? Waiting to see what Hillary tries to get away with in this "set up" Town Hall tonight?

CorporatistNation

(2,546 posts)
19. Watch For Judgements By Hillary Tonight... She Goes Last So That She can Trash Bernie Without Any
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 09:03 PM
Jan 2016

Fear of opposition.

 

farleftlib

(2,125 posts)
20. At least she's been consistent
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 09:10 PM
Jan 2016

Consistently bad, that is. Libya takes the cake AFAIC. It borders on war crimes.

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