How low will the Clinton campaign go?

[cali]

I know they haven't hit bottom yet.

<snip>

But the attacks are likely to intensify nonetheless in the days leading up to the Iowa caucus according to a new document that delves into affiliations and statements made by the senator dating back decades.

The dossier, prepared by opponents of Sanders and passed on to the Guardian by a source who would only agree to be identified as “a Democrat”, alleges that Sanders “sympathized with the USSR during the Cold War” because he went on a trip there to visit a twinned city while he was mayor of Burlington.

Similar “associations with communism” in Cuba are catalogued alongside a list of quotes about countries ranging from China to Nicaragua in a way that supporters regard as bordering on the McCarthyite rather than fairly reflecting his views.
Sanders has insisted on many occasions this year that his own philosophy of democratic socialism is very different from that of authoritarian regimes, and much more in keeping with the tradition of American reformers such as Franklin D Roosevelt.

The Vermont senator has also ridiculed suggestions – repeated by the attack dossier – that his policies would see nationalisation of US industries.

<snip>
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jan/22/bernie-sanders-communist-sympathiser-hillary-clinton-us-election-2016?CMP=share_btn_tw

So very repuke of her campaign

[SamKnause]

1. Lower than a snakes belly.

If Hillary can pull off becoming president, she and Bill can attain

their goal of becoming billionaires.

Millions just don't seem to suffice these days.

[senz]

58. I think the goal is absolute power and glory, not money.

For this, some will sacrifice every vestige of honesty, decency and humanity.

It is a deeply narcissistic pursuit.

[Marty McGraw]

70. ( ._.)

[senz]

82. Yes, there is an element

of sadness. But, as we both know, not nearly enough to justify what they can and will do to the people of this country.

[Duval]

85. Yes, senz, she and Bill are both narcissists.

[Unknown Beatle]

105. You got it partly right.

Absolute power and glory, and hundreds of millions in money. Because to some people, power and glory wouldn't be the same without money.

Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. - John Dalberg-Acton, 1st Baron Acton

[Motown_Johnny]

2. Baiting anti-Semitism?

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/01/bernie-sanders-israel-218149#ixzz3yBbiAZqw

^snip^

"His voting record on Israel recently is fine, absolutely fine," said Steve Rabinowitz, a media consultant and former Clinton White House aide who supports Clinton. "I haven’t heard him once talk about it on the campaign trail. It’s as though he doesn't utter the world Israel. It just strikes me as odd.”

[roguevalley]

16. get ready for some to say his family never died at the hands of the nazis. never underestimate the

bile driven death throes of an opponent.

[Fawke Em]

33. Maybe it's because Sanders doesn't kiss NuttyYahoo's ass like Hillary.

Bibi is nuts. He's an insane demagogue who has the blood of Palestinian children on his hands.

I wouldn't want to talk about how bad Israel's become either if I were Jewish (I'm not, but my husband is. He can't stand how Israel treats Palestinians).

[oasis]

3. Politics ain't beanbags. Bernie's campaign knew it before jumping in.

Toughen up pilgrim.

[Motown_Johnny]

5. But it shouldn't be monkeys throwing their own feces either.

The Clinton campaign looks like it is just throwing shit.

[KittyWampus]

14. I could post all the links to all the poo you Sanders supporter have flung

but it'd get hidden.

And the FACT is Sanders past is filled with land mines waiting to blow up at some point.

[Fawke Em]

38. Supporters aren't the campaign.

This is HER campaign throwing crap - not some keyboard warrior.

And traveling to Russia to visit his city's twin as its mayor isn't a land mine, no matter how much you'd like it to be.

One of my city's sister cities is in China. Does that make my mayor a Communist if she visits?

[Motown_Johnny]

45. They get hidden because they are not true.

Here is some truth for you.

[global1]

18. Desperation......nt

[cali]

6. No, it's not, but Hilly's egregious dirty Lee Atwater style campaigning is grotesque.

Hey, have fun supporting your lying, corrupt candidate.

[KittyWampus]

15. Yeah, we should just wait for the General Election for all Sanders crap to blow up.

[cali]

17. Embrace those Clinton lies and smears, kitty! So very Clintonian

[Nuclear Unicorn]

22. "all Sanders crap to blow up."

Is this meant to be irony?

[Fawke Em]

40. So we should just wait until the general election for Hillary to be indicted?

Like it or not, the FBI is investigating her actions surrounding an unsecure server. An indictment is a real possibility because this isn't the Republican made-up Benghazi crap. This is a real investigation.

[TDale313]

43. lol. Cause the Clinton camp is holding back.

If there was stuff to attack him with they'd be using it. They've been throwing everything they have to see what stick. Guess what? It's backfiring. Big time.

[reddread]

98. thanks. had to be said. didnt want to waste my breath.

its hard to imagine how dumb you would have to be to think we are as dumb as they think we are.

[ChimpersMcSmirkers]

108. Some questions for Bernie

Why did he claim cervical cancer is caused by women not having enough orgasms?

Why did he claim that married women fantasize about being gang-raped 3 men while having sex with her husband?

Democrats controlled the House, Senate, and Presidency in 2010. Why couldn't Sanders pass his healthcare plan then, and why does he think he will have a better shot at doing it when the GOP will control the House and likely the Senate as well?

Why is his run in Congress so uninspiring? He has practically no major bills he pushed. He's called the "amendment king" - so if he can't push anything through congress and can merely amend things, why run for President?

Why has he supported every U.S. bombing of Iraq from 1992 on?

He stated that "open borders is a Koch brothers idea," and that illegal immigrants cause wages to go down and harm the American poor. So why does he support illegal immigration now, and if open borders are keeping our wages down wouldn't Trump be a better choice to fight against this?

Why did you say Donald Trump lied when you said you would be OK with a 90% tax? You stated during an interview with John Harwood you would be OK with it?

If he is so consistent, why did he go from anti-imperialist in 1988 to pro-imperialist in 1990, even going as far as to state he wouldn't let that "damn (Gulf) war cost me the election?"

Why did he in the 90s support the objectively racist and mass-incarcerationist Federal Crime bill?

Why did he support every US intervention since elected to Congress–Iraq, Somalia, Haiti, Bosnia, Liberia, Zaire (Congo), Albania, Sudan, Afghanistan and Yugoslavia?

Why did he support economic sanctions that killed more than a million Iraqi civilians?

Why is it that during the 1996 Clinton campaign Bernie was on the stage with the rest of the Vermont Democratic Party Leadership, while the unauthorized Democratic candidate for his Congressional seat was kept out in the audience?
Why did he refuse to support gay marriage only until 2009?

He says he voted against the DOMA in 1996, but his wife stated We’re not legislating values. We have to follow the Constitution,” Jane Sanders said. “And anything that weakens the Constitution should be (addressed) by a constitutional amendment, not by a law passed by Congress.” Why?

Why did he claim America was on the brink of "death by poison gas" in the 1970s?

Why does he fly private jets that emit tons of carbon, and why is his response that it shouldn't matter if he does?

In the 1990s, why did he support the War on Drugs (and even defended it when running against an African American woman named Delores Sandoval)?

Why did Bernie champion in Congress the dumping of Vermont’s nuclear waste near Sierra Blanca, Texas, a low income border community with a mostly Latino population that is overwhelmingly opposed to the dump project?

Why did he support the Federal Crime Bill that give the gave the capitalist state more than 50 new pretexts to execute members of the working class?

Why is it that when he was asked why he was the only member of Vermont’ s three member Congressional delegation who had no person of color on his staff, Bernie responded that “we’re hiring the most qualified people we can." Why?

Why did he defend Fidel Castro's policies in 1985? He stated "They forgot that he (Fidel Castro) educated their (Cubans) kids, gave their kids health care, totally transformed society."

He also stated during that same 1985 interview, that just because " Ronald Reagan dislikes these people does not mean to say the people in these nations feel the same." Why did he state this during a time when thousands of Cubans were trying to escape Castro's regime?

Why did Bernie Sanders call Sandinista leader Daniel Ortega "an impressive guy with deep convictions," while Ortega was targeting Jews, Catholics, indigenous peoples, journalists, etc. etc.?

In addition, when he was Mayor of Burlington why was he was the only elected U.S. official to attend the anniversary of the Sandinista Revolution in Managua?

Why did he have a Soviet Union flag in his mayoral office and why did he honeymoon in the USSR in the late 80s?

Why did he address the Communist Party's US Peace Council when America was at the brink of winning the Cold War? One of the US Peace Council's goals was to help "the triumph of Soviet power in the US."

Why did Bernie embrace the "People's Republic of Burlington" moniker? China is called the "People's Republic of China" and North Korea is called "Democratic People's Republic of Korea." Notice the term "Democratic" in NK's name. "Democratic" is a term Communists use all the time. Why is Bernie any different?

When he first got elected Mayor of Burlington why was he the only elected U.S. official to attend the anniversary of the Sandinista Revolution in Managua?

Why does he call himself a "Social Democrat," which is what Leon Trostky and Vladimir Lenin called themselves before it evolved into the Communist party?

Why did he organize for the Communist United Packinghouse Workers Union, which at the time was under investigation by the House Committee on Un-American Activities?

Why did he head the American People’s History Society, which was a Marxist organization?

Why has he used the Che Guevara term "Venceremos" (which means "We will overcome&quot and why does he always use the famous Communist term "revolution?"

Even though Bernie has praised the Marxists of Nicaragua, Cuba, and the USSR, he now states he is more like Sweden, FDR, and Denmark. If this is true, why did Denmark take its time to refute Sanders and state he is nothing like them?


I'm not saying that I think all of these are bad. I'm just saying Bernard has lots ammo in his past to spin a pretty nasty narrative. Hillary hasn't said a peep about this. The GOP will.

[mhatrw]

112. I could some up with a list this long for Hillary or Trump in my sleep. And it would not be filled

with crap supposedly said and/or done 30+ years ago and bizarre, off the reservation attempts at red baiting.

[Fuddnik]

7. So when do they start the push poll about his dark-skinned love child?

"It's politics John". George W. Bush


Lower than whale shit in the Marianas trench.

[lob1]

53. Not common knowledge, but whale crap floats.

But I agree with the sentiment.

[Kentonio]

9. Toughen up?

Hey, you guys can throw whatever you like, and the kitchen sink too. I'd have thought the last week would have shown you exactly what going negative would result in though.

Ah well, no point in interrupting an enemy when they are making a mistake.

[oasis]

46. If these ads spark a plea for Bernie donors to kick in more moolah

then that's a good thing, right? Funny how that works.

[senz]

61. We are defined by who & what we support.

As low as Hillary goes, there go her followers.

Down...
down...
down.

Another great reason to be a Bernie supporter.

[oasis]

78. I made it just in time for Sunday school.

[senz]

91. Thanks for the transparency.

So common decency is ludicrous and Sunday schoolish? Yes, you've got the right candidate.

[firebrand80]

12. Seriously

This is slap-fighting compared to what the GOP would do.

If he can't withstand it now, he wouldn't get through the GE.

[cali]

20. He's been handling the slimy shit from Camp Weathervane just fine

That shit has been boomeranging on hill.

[firebrand80]

26. We'll see nt

[cali]

30. Oh I have little doubt that when it all sugars off

Hill will be our nominee. And will lose us the Whitehouse.

[LiberalLovinLug]

67. Don't worry, Bernie has the youth vote

I would think he has an army of tech savvy, social media warriors all set to quickly dispatch responses to the old school turd flinging of the Clinton Turd Way army.

[oasis]

89. "army of tech savvy, social media warriors". We'll see

how they match up at the polls against Hillary's array of lifelong Democrats. That would include old timers who tend to cling more to "establishment" Democrats.

When you throw in the added specter of those unfounded "fellow traveler" type campaign smears, it's my guess the old folks will play it safe with "the devil you know".

[bkkyosemite]

4. There is so much to say about Clinton. It might have to come out

of Bernie's mouth before this is over. Monday night is a trap I feel for Bernie. Hoping he can get through it unscathed.

[highprincipleswork]

8. Her values and her campaign make me repuke. And while she is around I expect to do that a lot.

[libdem4life]

10. This is the problem...none of his supporters care...they already know. And those on the fence,

well, I do believe this IS FINALLY the time in our political history that people are Sick and Tired of being Sick and Tired over the Above Attack.

Thus, Bernie is rising in the polls and getting more and more money. Need another play to keep this game going.

[artislife]

11. 2008, Super Tuesday build up

That is when aware people, stopped in their tracks and really looked and listened to the Clintons. They will exploit anything and everything.

I just thank Bernie for jumping in the race. I knew the chances of me supporting h was small and I would firmly be in Martin's camp if Bernie hadn't entered. Yes, I do belong to the anyone but h crowd. And it has nothing to do with the crappy was she is handling herself this cycle.

[KittyWampus]

13. Aw, but Bernie's bogus favorability his supporters love talking about. He's NEVER had any scrutiny

And brining up his past with is a treasure trove of crap the Republicans will successfully use is bad?

[cali]

24. Lol. They've dug up dumb shit from his distant past and

And unlike hilly he's not corrupt and doesn't have her long history of lying. Oh, and no drip, drip, drip email scandal.

[jehop61]

19. Until

Nov. 5,2016 when she wins the general election😆😆😆😆

(Oh, thought I read long). Ha

[cali]

25. She.isn't likable enough. She will lose.

[paleotn]

80. Oh, just like 2008?

[winter is coming]

21. Shh. I want her campaign to go on shooting itself in the foot. n/t

[Fumesucker]

29. I want them to go all the way to the bottom, they're most comfortable there anyway

Wallow in the lies and the sleaze, roll around in it and completely coat themselves with it.

That will only make Bernie look better by comparison.

[Enthusiast]

90. Like this.

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[Jackilope]

42. She is like the Minnesota Vikings .....

... let the clock run and eventually botch up enough to lose.

[restorefreedom]

23. there is no floor here

the only bright is it makes her numbers drop and his rise

people generally don't like craven liars and opportunists

[HereSince1628]

27. However low is necessary. 3rd wayers are pragamatic

and the end justifies the means.

Clinton has been aimed at this end for decades. Last time it was snatched away at the last moment.

But she was young enough to contemplate a second change. This is that second chance, it's unlikely she would get another in 2024.

So it's all in for 2016.

She'll throw the kitchen sink, if necessary the bathroom toilet too, although someone else may have to throw that for her. She has plenty of surrogates capable of doing that.

[tularetom]

34. And this is somehow an admirable thing?

The end justifies the means? She'd do anything to become president?

Sounds a bit sick to me.

Anybody who wants to be president that bad should never hold the office.

[kath]

28. lower than whale shit at the bottom of the Marianas Trench.

It's what Clintons do.

[tularetom]

31. Pople who listen to right wing radio have heard for years

that she is the most "liberal" individual ever to run for office in the US. They have also heard and believe that she is a crook.

People who don't listen to right wing radio know that she is far from the "liberal" she is portrayed on the radio. But a lot of them also strongly suspect she is a crook.

What do these two groups have in common?

[Enthusiast]

93. Gullible in the extreme?

[CharlotteVale]

32. Hillary's choice of David Brock as a surrogate says it all. She's got the man who

trashed Anita Hill working for her - and her supporters are A-OK with it, too.

Says it all. There is no limit to how low she'll go.

[Attorney in Texas]

35. There's no floor. She'll have her crown at all costs and promote Trump and Bloomberg to that end

if pushing a non-Democrat is what she sees in her self-interest.

[2pooped2pop]

36. There is no low point for the Clintons

They play just like the republicans in that it's all about lies, it's all about manipulation, it's all about marketing 101, it's all about money. Her speaking fees and ability to give favors for donations to either the charity or political PACs will all but dry up if she doesn't pull this off. She will do whatever it takes without remorse or shame. They are above that.

[Vinca]

37. It's hard to imagine it could get much worse than red baiting.

But, you never know. The lower they go, the higher Bernie climbs in the polls.

[workinclasszero]

39. What do you think republicans will do to a presidential candidate Bernie Sanders?

If Bernie can't take the heat he should get out of the kitchen!

What, is he supposed to be treated gently with great care so his feelings don't get hurt? LOL

What a lightweight!

[cali]

41. Sorry, I don't expect dems to be as slimy as repukes- but Hillary is.

[Fawke Em]

44. He's fine with it.

He's been in a few elections.

What you don't seem to realize is her polling numbers go down with each fling and his go up.

The only lightweights in this race are those who don't understand that.

[green917]

83. you do realize that...

Your premise is weak because none of this "dirt" they keep throwing at him is hurting him in any way. Quite the contrary actually. You seem to, on the other hand, be perfectly okay with your candidate using the same sleezy tactics that republicans need to resort to win (because, like secretary clinton, they can't argue policy because their record is abysmal).

[litlbilly]

47. Authoritarian/dictator/(socialist) govmts, do things to the people, Democratic/Socialist do things

for the people. Germany, Denmark, Sweeden, Norway, France, FDR's America...A bit of a difference there.

[Z_California]

48. Luckily there is a video of Hillary

rebutting every low blow her campaign delivers these days. Looking for video of Hillary defending Bill from GOP communist smears over his trip to Russia now...where is that thing?

Someone who is good with video should put together a Hillary vs. Hillary OP. Hillary can have a contentious debate with herself over LGBT rights, Healthcare, Red Baiting, the TPP, Wall Street regulation - and that's just off the top of my head.

[in_cog_ni_to]

49. As low as she needs to.

Here we thought it would be the Teabaggers/Repubs doing all the Red Baiting! At least it will be old hat by the time the Repubs pull it out if their bag of slime.

This week will be especially dangerous for Bernie. I hope he's fully prepared for all the shit she's going to sling.The CBS poll has her behind in Iowa now, so that means her internal polls have to be really, really bad. That means going nuclear on Bernie. He can't be too prepared!

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

[morningfog]

50. They have no bottom.

[orpupilofnature57]

51. Please, it's a badge of honor with those people, and they govern like they campaign .

[karynnj]

52. The ONLY think that surprises me is how often she gets caught on sleazy things like this

Obviously, her team hoped for a Guardian article that would have used this information - without reference to the Clinton campaign. Instead ... they get the headline that her team is engaged in smearing.

Last week, there was an article that the Burlington Free Press was offered "off the record tips" of stories against Sanders by the Clinton team. What gets me is the utter chutzpah that they thought they could have deep dirty secrets on the man that the paper has covered for decades.

Like the Guardian, they turned them down, and wrote an article. http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/story/news/politics/2016/01/21/clinton-super-pac-offers-off-record-news-tips/79131372/

How many more things do we need to see to know that the Clinton team is willing to run a dirty race? (While Clinton supporters here call any mention of her deplorable judgement on her email - a right wing smear - when, in fact, it left the Obama administration a huge mess that is still ongoing.)

[peacebird]

54. I think they are going to try very hard to destroy him in tomorrows town hall

The neutral host was Hillary's 2008 Iowa campaign chair. I suspect they will di everything they can to try to get a Dean Scream moment.

Fortunately I am confident in Bernie. He is pretty unflappable, and this ain't his first rodeo!

[Spitfire of ATJ]

55. Her supporters feel it's fine because "the enemy" needs to be destroyed.

[senz]

56. Mayor Sanders visited Burlington's SISTER CITY in Russia. Mayors do this.

Anyone who stretches that fact to say he is a communist is a dirty, filthy liar and deserves to be castigated with tremendous, unrelenting, force.

[Bernblu]

115. It actually came up in the first debate

[SoapBox]

57. Slime...lies...dirty politics...

The Clintons.

[George II]

59. A "dossier" from an anonymous source? And you guys are falling for it? Totally ludicrous....

.....and potentially meta-discussion worthy.

Sad.

[cali]

63. No, we're really not. It's been confirmed that they tried shopping

the same shit to the Burlington Free Press.

[George II]

66. WHAT??? They "tried shopping the same shit" to a meaningless local newspaper in Vermont...

.....with a circulation of 25,000???? That alone is confirmation that it's all rumor and innuendo.

.........

[cali]

68. So the free press is lying?

And duh, it's Bernie's hometown newspaper, the largest newspaper in Vermont, and other news outlets around the country look to it for stories about Bernie.

[George II]

73. The largest newspaper in one of the smallest states. Yeah, the Clinton campaign really....

....cares about that local newspaper.

So, how can we confirm that the Clinton campaign tried that with the BFP? Same "anonymous Democrat"?

[cali]

74. Yes, they do.

[George II]

75. Hmmmm, this whole thing sounds VERY familiar: "Float an attack. Get it out there."

[Warren DeMontague]

76. So what you're saying is, the Clinton campaign has no respect for rural populations of small states.

Interesting.

[George II]

92. No I didn't say that at all. Not even close. Nice try though.

Interesting that you pop in all of a sudden and that is your only input.

[Warren DeMontague]

94. Why doesn't the Clinton campaign care about local newspapers, George?

Interesting quote. I'll have to see what twitter thinks about this.

[George II]

95. I don't know Warren. Who said they don't care about local newspapers?

Nice game you've got going here.

[Warren DeMontague]

97. "Yeah, the Clinton campaign really.... ....cares about that local newspaper."

I mean, if the Clinton campaign thinks they're too good for the local papers of small states, I bet the voters of Iowa will want to know about it.

[George II]

100. We were talking about a bogus claim that the campaign was "selling" some attack....

....to that small, insignificant local newspaper. If they really were doing anything like that (which, based on the evidence, they aren't) don't you and the OP think they would do it with a larger, more important newspaper, not one with a relatively tiny circulation of 25,000 in a remote part of the country?

So, how is it you suddenly jumped in here after about 95 posts, and haven't responded to any others in this long thread except mine WAY down on the list?

[Warren DeMontague]

102. "small and insignificant"

You realize that the voters of "remote" Iowa, for instance, may not have million dollar midtown condos, they may not be able to afford advertisements in the New York Times, they may actually like their little podunk papers and their tiny circulations....


...keep diggin'!

[George II]

103. Oh Warren, keep digging. In case you didn' realize it, The Burlington Free Press is in VERMONT....

....where Sanders is a shoo-in to win the primary.

So why would the Clinton campaign even think about "selling" anything negative about Sanders in Vermont????? That just confirms how phony (and desperate I might add) the claim is.

I could see if it was in a town close to New Hampshire to gain something in the NH primary, but Burlington is about as far from New Hampshire as any point in Vermont.

By the way, we're talking about a newspaper in Vermont, not Iowa or midtown Manhattan. Nor are we talking about advertisements. So why did you mention those?

[Warren DeMontague]

104. I must tell you, your elitist attitude and comments are not playing very well on twitter, George.

If I were you I'd quit while you're behind, before doing any further damage to your candidate's image!

[George II]

106. "Elitist" attitude? Now truth and reality are "elitist"? So, I guess twitter is.........

....where you got the call to hop in after almost 100 posts from others, zeroing in on my posts. I'm flattered Warren.

[Warren DeMontague]

107. dismissing rural voters and their media, absolutely.

[George II]

109. Nobody dismissed rural voters and their media. Surely you can't believe what isn't there, can you?

[Warren DeMontague]

110. Small. Insignificant. This is the language of dismissal, George. condescenscion.

It pains me that you can't see the real hurt your choice of words is causing, even now.

[George II]

113. "Dismissal" is in the eye of the beholder, Warren.

[Warren DeMontague]

114. I'm sure the rural voters will understand. Many of them get up in the morning hoping for the

opportunity to get schooled by their big city betters, to be fortunate enough to have a stray Manhattan self-proclaimed bigwig or two come and ---what's the phrase?-- "shake some sense" into them before jetting back to The Center of the Universe™.

Those hayseeds LOVE that sort of thing, dont they?

[George II]

116. You sure have a, let's call it, "interesting" outlook on life and humanity. And.......

........you're amazingly judgmental about people you've never met.

Just for fun, what's your definition of "hayseeds"? Funny thing, I haven't characterized anyone in this discussion, but you have more than once. Interesting.

[Warren DeMontague]

117. 'tis Sarcasm, George.

A response to your characterization of a local newspaper as "small and insignificant". I do believe the people of small rural states- like Vermont, or Iowa- do not consider themselves insignificant, or small.

And they rely on their media outlets as much as New Yorkers may rely on the times.

[INdemo]

60. Hillary Clinton has wanted this for 23 years or more

and when she has Right Wing attack dogs on her campaign staff she will stop at nothing.How many times has anyone heard Hillary talk about the issues..She says well i have a better plan for this or that but doesn't give the details and instructs people to go to her website.....which has nothing except contribute now.
Then she will launch her attack mode. Hillary is now saying (Meet the Press) she will be talking about the economy,very doubtful because of her Wall St,Goldman Sachs affiliation.
.

In 2008 Hillary had lost the primaries and kept dragging it out hoping to somehow use some freakish Convention rules to produce more Super Delegates ..of course we know the outcome.
She could try the same thing against Bernie Sanders.
Forget Bloomberg,another option would be for her to run as an Independent ....yes she wants this that bad.

[Kip Humphrey]

88. Actually, Hillary told me directly in the spring of 1970 that she intended to be president.

So that would be in excess of 45 years.

[INdemo]

99. The over the 45 years she hasnt laid very good ground work

unless she thinks/thought that close ties to the Goldman Sachs of Wall St was her ticket.....

Which now kinda confirms my notion on an earlier post

Is this Hillary's second try for White House or is this Hillary's second try for a third term...

Maybe Hillary was the Dick Cheney of Bill Clinton's Presidency.

[sulphurdunn]

62. How low will the Clinton campaign go?

I assume that is a rhetorical question. HRC is even more desperate than she was in '08. There probably is no 'too low.'

[asuhornets]

64. If Bernie Sanders wins

and I hope he does not; imagine what the Repugs will do to him. He will be cartoon character. Hillary Clinton have being playing with Bernie with kid gloves. If he can not handle kid gloves then he can not handle the Repugs. Hillary has been through hell for the last 25 years and she has stood the test of time.

[paleotn]

81. And hill isn't a cartoon character already in many minds?

please. Seen her unfavorable ratings lately? Damn near 50% according to Gallup. Better than Trump, sure, but jesus h christ on a cracker, he's a goddamn fascist. She's beating a fascist in unfavorable polling. Something to be proud of! In reality, she's spent and needs to be kicked to the curb.

[Ford_Prefect]

65. This is rhetorical question, yes? As in "If you have to ask..."

The presence of David Brock is proof enough.

[jalan48]

69. She's sowing the seeds of her own loss. Either in the primary or in the general election.

[uberblonde]

71. So you assume it's the Clinton campaign.

Why would they go to the left-wing Guardian?

Sounds like more classic Republican dirty tricks. After all, we already know Republican PACs are running ads for Bernie in Iowa and New Hampshire!

And the RNC is sending out talking points defending Bernie to national news organizations. Doesn't that give you the tiniest clue about what's going on?

[cali]

72. Oh please.

[Ferd Berfel]

79. Or one of her Billioniare buddies PACs

[paleotn]

77. Bottom of the gutter....

....she's a Clinton, isn't she. Seems even the apples don't fall far from the tree. Many of her supporters will follow since that's just how they roll. Slim in the gutter.

[Duval]

84. She'll go as low as it takes to hurt Bernie's chances.

I hope it backfires. I think even less of her now.Disgusting.

[SheilaT]

86. This is just one more aspect of the bullshit about

"Bernie hasn't been vetted", and they try to "prove" this by digging up total nonsense. And given that the Communist smear was tried against Bill Clinton because of a trip he took to the Soviet Union you'd think they'd know better here.

The other, much more important thing, is that Communism just isn't the Evil Empire any more, and hasn't been since the fall of the Berlin Wall in 1989 and the collapse of Soviet Communism a year or so later. Basically, no one under the age of 30, maybe even 35, really remembers Communisim. And given how strongly young people are coming out for Bernie, the Clinton people are total fools to even try this. Just another marker of how completely stuck in the past they are.

If Bernie becomes our next President, as I fervently hope he does, we're going to witness the most astonishing combination of an old leader with very young followers, and perhaps a genuine change in this country.

[Enthusiast]

87. If true, it is unforgivable.

It will destroy Hillary for now and for the future. It would be a grave error.

[cantbeserious]

101. To The Gutter And Beyond

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[hootinholler]

111. Lower than whale shit in the Marianas Trench

Even that isn't low enough.