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CorporatistNation

(2,546 posts)
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 01:54 AM Jan 2016

The REAL Story of This Town Hall... Chris Cuomo... Designated "Establishment" Hitman!

I watched the whole "show." Funny how Chris continually challenged Bernie throughout his segment... Maybe four questions from the audience... 5 tops... Bernie, unlike his fellow candidates provided details ...and actually answered questions including much to the dismay of Cuomo, standing up to his near incessant harangue.

In fact when Bernie physically stood up to address the Hillary television ad, Chris tried to get Bernie to sit back down... Bernie however stood his ground!

As I suspected, once Bernie was done... Chris became palpably more docile with Marty... Quite a few more audience questions, and no interruptions from Chris... allowing Marty to cruise the stage, ladle on the charisma and tick off his themes with nary a detail as to how he'd accomplish anything...

Then, once the "warm up" speakers were done, the "main attraction" took the stage. Again, the deference to Hillary by Chris was beyond palpable beyond even my expectations. No arguing or haranguing Hillary! Excepting for the first question which Hillary answered which the overall context of her answer could only be characterized... as insulting to the intelligence of young people as she inferred that...

"Young people who are new to politics may have heard a lot of things that accumulated over the years, none of which stuck as everything that was thrown at me all fell by the wayside as I kept moving forward..."


TRANSLATION: All of these points are just false and should be ignored, and if you believe all of these things ... well you're just young and naive.

This the likely perceived message from Hillary to young people in response to the young man's question concerning her perceived dishonesty and low enthusiasm for her campaign by young people....

The balance of the questions directed at Hillary were softballs of the first order... We shall see how the EMERGENCY RESCUE FORUM fared for Clinton Incorporated in one week.
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The REAL Story of This Town Hall... Chris Cuomo... Designated "Establishment" Hitman! (Original Post) CorporatistNation Jan 2016 OP
These type of posts just reinforces the point that Hillary won the Town Hall. ProudToBeLiberal Jan 2016 #1
Not hardly. This was a total shit show, beyond even the democratic party rules for 'more debates'. ViseGrip Jan 2016 #6
I Watched Objectively and The Truth Is In The Pudding. CorporatistNation Jan 2016 #7
Yep stevil Jan 2016 #14
Pretty much. And the amount Hillary won by is proportional to the all-caps and boldface usage. DanTex Jan 2016 #37
Yes, she did. BTW, did anyone notice the different kinds of questions? Bernie's folk and libdem4life Jan 2016 #52
Spot on....but Cuomo felt the Bern.....and so did the audience! ViseGrip Jan 2016 #2
Did I miss something? Cali_Democrat Jan 2016 #3
People are saying that Hillary gave the strongest performance. ProudToBeLiberal Jan 2016 #4
What people are saying? I hear people say Bernie won. Of course front pg of CNN and MSNBC were ViseGrip Jan 2016 #8
Of course you did stevil Jan 2016 #16
Hillary went into this long list of irrelevant jobs she had. JDPriestly Jan 2016 #28
Bernie enid602 Jan 2016 #34
Beautiful... Well Said... Kick It! CorporatistNation Jan 2016 #39
Not "people." Media people. Fawke Em Jan 2016 #49
Compare How Chris Treated Bernie Vs Marty And Hill... CorporatistNation Jan 2016 #12
Does the sun set in the West? nt artislife Jan 2016 #32
Yes, whatever it is that certain supporters have drunk that has brought on synergie Jan 2016 #33
Do you ever talk about Hillary? beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #40
The sheer number of times you use a word you clearly do not understand is what is synergie Jan 2016 #41
Tl; dr beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #42
Thank you for responding as expected, too little information and too little literacy does seem to synergie Jan 2016 #43
I've read enough of your posts get the gist. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #44
Post removed Post removed Jan 2016 #45
More irony, although at this point your repeated personal attacks are more hypocrisy than anything. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #46
The projection is astounding. Unlike you and your comment frequency, I am not tied to typing synergie Jan 2016 #56
You sure seem to be. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #57
Post removed Post removed Jan 2016 #59
Well said Bobbie Jo Jan 2016 #47
Perfectly stated. ismnotwasm Jan 2016 #48
Welcome to the club, sir (or madam) George II Jan 2016 #50
Thank you for delineating Skidmore Jan 2016 #51
WOW! Empowerer Jan 2016 #53
Great post Gothmog Jan 2016 #54
Well said and thank you! hrmjustin Jan 2016 #55
Seems like in your forum, you ask the questions, and you also give the answers. FrenchieCat Jan 2016 #5
It Most Certainly Is... CorporatistNation Jan 2016 #15
They wanted Bernie to sit for the same reason they call him grumpy. Skwmom Jan 2016 #9
If Bernie had sat, he'd have looked like a tired old man. PADemD Jan 2016 #20
I'm reading that undecideds liked Bernie's performance. Good for the surge. ViseGrip Jan 2016 #10
Chris Was STILL Trashing Bernie On The Post Game Show! CorporatistNation Jan 2016 #17
He also trashed him on his morning program... New Day. cherokeeprogressive Jan 2016 #58
Notice how they didn't subject O'Malley to the same treatment as Bernie. n/t Skwmom Jan 2016 #11
That IS My Point! CorporatistNation Jan 2016 #13
"The Establishment" NanceGreggs Jan 2016 #18
.....gotcha....... Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2016 #25
Chris Cuomo's father and brother....Governors of NY, and he is not the establishment? virtualobserver Jan 2016 #30
I agree on "The Establishment" tecelote Jan 2016 #35
With all her history, all her "scars" for being a progressive heroine, delrem Jan 2016 #19
"Twas but a scratch! I've had worse!" Divernan Jan 2016 #26
Haven't you heard that Bernie's top advisor today on CNN said Sanders is part of the Establishment?? riversedge Jan 2016 #21
LOL - you're a real comedia! CajunBlazer Jan 2016 #22
Plenty of people noticed: Lorien Jan 2016 #23
10,349 voting; Bernie-92.5%; HRC- 5.7% Divernan Jan 2016 #24
Absolutely. But Hillary looked like a self-centered egotist. It was all about Hillary and not JDPriestly Jan 2016 #27
CNN Was Lobbing Softball Questions to Hillary gordyfl Jan 2016 #29
It doesn't matter. Bernie Sanders won on progressive credentials. Period. delrem Jan 2016 #31
Nothing To This "Dishonesty Issue... Must Be A Canard... CorporatistNation Jan 2016 #38
I don't want my candidate lobbed softballs. I want to see him or her win over a hostile questioner. bklyncowgirl Jan 2016 #36
 

ViseGrip

(3,133 posts)
6. Not hardly. This was a total shit show, beyond even the democratic party rules for 'more debates'.
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 01:59 AM
Jan 2016

The OP is correct on the dishonesty question, and talking down to young voters. Not a good thing to do.

CorporatistNation

(2,546 posts)
7. I Watched Objectively and The Truth Is In The Pudding.
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 02:01 AM
Jan 2016

Bernie kicked ass against a stacked deck... I'm sick of Hillary SCREAMING... and saying.... nothing... She is as one post forum analyst said someone who would be right at home with the REPUBLICAN candidates. It had to be a forum so she could get away with saying anything she wanted without anyone to counter. Did not answer the DISHONESTY issue... Not a question about her cozy relationship with Wall Street... Chris tried to trash Bernie... and he LOST!

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
52. Yes, she did. BTW, did anyone notice the different kinds of questions? Bernie's folk and
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 01:51 PM
Jan 2016

likely Independents did. It could be called sexist...she got the softballs...but that would be disingenuous and not correct. It was sucking up...and that has nothing to do with gender. Good Job, Chris.

ProudToBeLiberal

(3,964 posts)
4. People are saying that Hillary gave the strongest performance.
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 01:59 AM
Jan 2016

So, people are attacking the format, hosts, questions, and etc to discredit Hillary'speeches big win.

 

ViseGrip

(3,133 posts)
8. What people are saying? I hear people say Bernie won. Of course front pg of CNN and MSNBC were
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 02:01 AM
Jan 2016

very ready for their headlines.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
28. Hillary went into this long list of irrelevant jobs she had.
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 04:38 AM
Jan 2016

They were public service jobs, but not high pressure jobs like being the mayor of a city or a member of Congress.

I was embarrassed for her. She is definitely on the defensive.

And she is so self-centered.

What are her proposals for America? She did not talk about them in any detail in the part of the evening that was on the video I watched. I was really relieved when the video ended in the middle or so of her portion. She was horrible.

I think the media writes the reports they present after the show before the show. I don't see how anyone could think that Hillary won.

enid602

(8,603 posts)
34. Bernie
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 06:02 AM
Jan 2016

And yet Bernie repeated his success with negotiating with John McCain over veterans rights as proof that he can get his huge agenda passed given a Republican majority House and Senate. McCain's not exactly head of the Tea Party, and I daresay veterans rights is the ONLY thing those two might agree on. This must be the umpteenth time that Bernie has brought up this chestnut. It's a staple for him.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
49. Not "people." Media people.
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 01:40 PM
Jan 2016

Average people liked Bernie. He was much more personable, your biased "he's yelling... waaa waaa," aside.

CorporatistNation

(2,546 posts)
12. Compare How Chris Treated Bernie Vs Marty And Hill...
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 02:04 AM
Jan 2016

That is WHAT you missed... Bernie did not let him get the best of him and laid Chris out. Especially when Chris was trying to get Bernie to SIT Down! All softballs for Hillary... and trying to give Marty an opportunity to steal votes from Bernie ... TO HELP A THROTTLED HILLARY!

 

synergie

(1,901 posts)
33. Yes, whatever it is that certain supporters have drunk that has brought on
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 05:39 AM
Jan 2016

a flurry of conspiracy theories, which started before the event and continued throughout. From CNN, and Cuomo, plants and biased people writing questions, screen clips about who was allowed to stand and who was bolted to his chair, to the lagginess of the live broadcast between Bernie's and Hillary's time (which some insist was not equal, because it FELT longer). Of course most people simply couldn't handle watching the last portion and claimed they turned it off, but they simply knew that she did badly and Cuomo favored her, blah blah blah.

It's really sad how much people delude themselves.

They all did a nice job, the questions were fine and all three handled themselves well.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
40. Do you ever talk about Hillary?
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 08:17 AM
Jan 2016

Every one of your posts seems to be something nasty about how AWFUL Bernie's supporters are.

The irony is unbelievable.

 

synergie

(1,901 posts)
41. The sheer number of times you use a word you clearly do not understand is what is
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 12:40 PM
Jan 2016

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unbelievable, learn what the word irony actually means someday. Why would I need to talk about Hillary, my issue with this whole primary process is to see which candidate is best, as a real progressive, I'm voting for the nominee.

I know where Hillary stands, and I'm familiar with the attacks against her, given how the script has not changed in 20 years. I don't know what Bernie is actually proposing and whenever anyone asks, the question and anyone asking it is met with vile, nasty, abusive, spittle flecked iterations of that that script not about how Bernie's plans actually might work, but how evil his opponent is, and the most ludicrous conspiracy theories and of course the lovely personal attacks for daring to question the anointed one.


The irony here is that you don't seem to understand that while Bernie is fine candidate, and his policies while slow in being filled out, will probably be addressed as he's pressed to explain things, he's being harmed by the toxic hysteria of those who don't actually seem to be effective at supporting the candidate and who are the very antithesis of the things he's said he wants this campaign to be about.

I see that you guys who are deeply into the cult of the anti-Hillary, and that is essentially what many of you are, since it's not about promoting Bernie, his policies or his ethics, it's about sliming his opponent and any who are not sufficiently pure in their single minded march in lock step with you.

The fact that you are indistinguishable from the right wing, who are feeding you the madness and the talking points, literally from Karl Rove, as you sneeringly and ironically project that man's agenda onto those who you perceive to oppose you are concerning.

This forum and several of you in particular are unceasing in your attacks. Do I support Hillary? I like her, having watched her for 20 years I know what she's about and I applaud research, knowledge, and attention to detail and people who get things done. Am I against Bernie? Nope. I don't know very much about what he's actually accomplished in his long career, but I like his stances and what he says, and the passion with which he supports *most* things, his stance on guns is not one of them. Should he win, I know that he'll find himself in the same place that Obama has, faced with the reality of governance especially when he has no control over the Congress and will have to face the reality of how to match his rhetoric with reality. This is why so many on these boards with Bernie decals and some annoying bug thing are attacking Obama now, these are the same people whose adulatory fervor and CDS in 2007 created such a toxic stew that it turned off many committed progressives. You're doing it again, and for the same reasons and with the EXACT same script, aided by Karl Rove and the RNC, whose delight is palpable as so many supposed Bernie supporters parrot their talking points in their blind hatred of Hillary.


My issue is with how you supporters are poisoning the process, ensuring a Republican win if you don't get your way, and how little you seem to be actually doing a good job of ensuring that reasonable and rational debate happens.

In short, my issue is with you and your fellow anti-hillary candidates, so I will call you out on your lies, on the Rovian talking points, and the general Freeper/Breitbarty behavior I see, since this is what is damaging to the ability of progressives to actually achieve anything. Either many of you are just so caught up in the primary fever, which happens, you're trolls, or you're just easily manipulated into turning what should be a debate about issues, into some sort of poop slinging slimefest.

I know you're too blinded by your bias and your need to attack, given how every single post I've seen you make has been an over the top attack using words you clearly don't understand, but I call out anyone I think is making ad hominem attacks when they happens, it's just that you and your fellow Berners are the ones who are engaging in the vast majority of the nastiness.

Why is it that you can never post something positive about Bernie without the toxic element, the abuse, the attacks etc.?

That speaks volumes about your true commitment here, and frankly that's the very sort of nonsense that needs to be called out. And I will continue to do so, and you and your friends can do what you do best, and with zero irony, project, attack, abuse and slime me, but all you do is make my point about just how low and nasty it's getting here. The fact that you cannot make a positive argument for your candidate speaks volumes about where the desperation and the panic is here, and the true danger to actually winning against the right wing agenda. That doesn't seem to be your goal, and what you're doing is harming that goal.

So, I've answered you honestly, and I'm expecting nothing but abuse, ad hominems and really poorly crafted snark in return, because "ironically" that's all you're capable of, despite your pretense to being "pure and true" Democrat and Progressive. So, please proceed, and prove my point.

 

synergie

(1,901 posts)
43. Thank you for responding as expected, too little information and too little literacy does seem to
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 12:51 PM
Jan 2016

be a common thread among those whose posts are entirely composed of insults, ad hominems and abuse with nothing positive or factual to add to any discussion.

Karl Rove thanks you for your dedication to his tactics, you have been trained well.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
44. I've read enough of your posts get the gist.
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 12:55 PM
Jan 2016

The only thing you ever talk about is Bernie supporters and your constant references to the right wing comes off as projection.

Liberals aren't that hateful towards other liberals, imo

I sincerely doubt you're here to support a candidate.

Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #44)

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
46. More irony, although at this point your repeated personal attacks are more hypocrisy than anything.
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 01:10 PM
Jan 2016

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You really should take a walk outside, pet a kitten or feed the squirrels. It will give you some much needed perspective.

 

synergie

(1,901 posts)
56. The projection is astounding. Unlike you and your comment frequency, I am not tied to typing
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 05:32 PM
Jan 2016

out attacks. Take your own advice, but stay away from kittens and puppies, you're a bit too angry to hate filled to trust around little furry creatures.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
57. You sure seem to be.
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 05:37 PM
Jan 2016

And I'm not the one typing long angry rants against anonymous people on the internet.

In fact, I'm not angry at all, just amused. Is that the reaction you were hoping for? I sure do hope so.


Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #57)

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
51. Thank you for delineating
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 01:44 PM
Jan 2016

Last edited Tue Jan 26, 2016, 03:17 PM - Edit history (1)

the problem that so many of us have had over the past few months. There is no need for the verbal abuse or the use of right wing tactics to support a candidate. I logged in to read for the first time in a couple of weeks and happened to catch your post. This board I used leave open on my computer since its inauguration has been turned into an endless circus of the type of behavior and writings you so aptly describe, that I have made fewer and fewer trips here. I don't want to be associated with this type of discourse or the people who use poorly chosen words with which to bludgeon others. When you need allies to accomplish broader goals, you need people you can count on.

Again, thank you for giving voice to something that needs to be said.

Empowerer

(3,900 posts)
53. WOW!
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 01:54 PM
Jan 2016

Did I write this and just don't remember it? Because you expressed EXACTLY what I have been thinking (and occasionally writing) regarding the situation here. You said it SO beautifully!

I would suggest that you make this an OP, but given how things have been working, it probably wouldn't be visible very long.

But bravo, synergy - SO glad you're here!

CorporatistNation

(2,546 posts)
17. Chris Was STILL Trashing Bernie On The Post Game Show!
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 02:08 AM
Jan 2016

Chris was trying for a BONUS tonight. POS CORPORATIST MEDIA... DEBBIE WAS... HIGH SCHOOL CRAP!

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
58. He also trashed him on his morning program... New Day.
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 05:44 PM
Jan 2016

In the first minute he told Tom Harkin how Hillary answered the tough question about trustworthiness and how Bernie was a "socialist". Didn't even bother with "Democratic Socialist", just socialist.

 

virtualobserver

(8,760 posts)
30. Chris Cuomo's father and brother....Governors of NY, and he is not the establishment?
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 05:01 AM
Jan 2016

would you consider a position that is remotely plausible....just for fun?

tecelote

(5,122 posts)
35. I agree on "The Establishment"
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 06:15 AM
Jan 2016

"...already past its best-before date."

We've had enough and we're not going to take it anymore.

Time to elect the first President that is truly elected by the people in a very long time.

Time for real change.

delrem

(9,688 posts)
19. With all her history, all her "scars" for being a progressive heroine,
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 02:10 AM
Jan 2016

why aren't the youth of America enthralled by Hillary?

Why is that only jaded and well-paid pundits and bloviators get on her bandwagon, and are forced to avoid the actual historical record to do it?

That's pretty damn strange.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
27. Absolutely. But Hillary looked like a self-centered egotist. It was all about Hillary and not
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 04:33 AM
Jan 2016

about America or Americans.

Bernie was the best.

Making Bernie sit down was so unfair. That really looked bad.

And regurgitating Obama's comments in his speech was pretty disgusting. Obama said he was not going to get into the primary. But there he was. That was pretty dumb.

gordyfl

(598 posts)
29. CNN Was Lobbing Softball Questions to Hillary
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 04:55 AM
Jan 2016

CNN went easy on Hillary.

The softball question of the night was asked to Hillary about her trust and honesty.

She's answered this question time and again throughout her campaign.

CNN asked her the same question back in July 2015. She must have a good answer memorized by now. She did.

Here is CNN asking the similar question back in July, 2015...

KEILAR: I'm wondering if you can address a vulnerability that we've seen you dealing with recently. We see in our recent poll that nearly six in 10 Americans say they don't believe that you're honest and trustworthy.

Do you understand why they feel that way?

http://cnnpressroom.blogs.cnn.com/2015/07/07/cnn-exclusive-hillary-clintons-first-national-interview-of-2016-race/

Is there any wonder why CNN has been referred to as Clinton News Network?

CorporatistNation

(2,546 posts)
38. Nothing To This "Dishonesty Issue... Must Be A Canard...
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 08:09 AM
Jan 2016

Nahhhh... "I landed under sniper fire in Bosnia... Chelsea was jogging around the World Trade center when the plane struck... I was named after Sir Edmund Hillary... Only problem, Hillary was born 6 years prior to Sir Edmund conquering Mt Everest... Just a start...

bklyncowgirl

(7,960 posts)
36. I don't want my candidate lobbed softballs. I want to see him or her win over a hostile questioner.
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 07:41 AM
Jan 2016

I thought Sanders did that last night. He kept his cool, answered the questions concisely and in the end seemed to impress even Chris Cuomo--at least a little.

Hillary was given easy questions and positively fawned over by Cuomo. I half expected one of his questions to be "Secretary Clinton, why are you so awesome." This enabled her to ramble on. Frankly, she would have come off better if he had come at her hard and held her to the questions. If her supporters think she would melt in the face of tough questions I'd suggest taking a look at the footage from the Bengazi committee hearing.



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