Last edited Tue Jan 26, 2016, 05:29 PM - Edit history (1)
unbelievable, learn what the word irony actually means someday. Why would I need to talk about Hillary, my issue with this whole primary process is to see which candidate is best, as a real progressive, I'm voting for the nominee.
I know where Hillary stands, and I'm familiar with the attacks against her, given how the script has not changed in 20 years. I don't know what Bernie is actually proposing and whenever anyone asks, the question and anyone asking it is met with vile, nasty, abusive, spittle flecked iterations of that that script not about how Bernie's plans actually might work, but how evil his opponent is, and the most ludicrous conspiracy theories and of course the lovely personal attacks for daring to question the anointed one.
The irony here is that you don't seem to understand that while Bernie is fine candidate, and his policies while slow in being filled out, will probably be addressed as he's pressed to explain things, he's being harmed by the toxic hysteria of those who don't actually seem to be effective at supporting the candidate and who are the very antithesis of the things he's said he wants this campaign to be about.
I see that you guys who are deeply into the cult of the anti-Hillary, and that is essentially what many of you are, since it's not about promoting Bernie, his policies or his ethics, it's about sliming his opponent and any who are not sufficiently pure in their single minded march in lock step with you.
The fact that you are indistinguishable from the right wing, who are feeding you the madness and the talking points, literally from Karl Rove, as you sneeringly and ironically project that man's agenda onto those who you perceive to oppose you are concerning.
This forum and several of you in particular are unceasing in your attacks. Do I support Hillary? I like her, having watched her for 20 years I know what she's about and I applaud research, knowledge, and attention to detail and people who get things done. Am I against Bernie? Nope. I don't know very much about what he's actually accomplished in his long career, but I like his stances and what he says, and the passion with which he supports *most* things, his stance on guns is not one of them. Should he win, I know that he'll find himself in the same place that Obama has, faced with the reality of governance especially when he has no control over the Congress and will have to face the reality of how to match his rhetoric with reality. This is why so many on these boards with Bernie decals and some annoying bug thing are attacking Obama now, these are the same people whose adulatory fervor and CDS in 2007 created such a toxic stew that it turned off many committed progressives. You're doing it again, and for the same reasons and with the EXACT same script, aided by Karl Rove and the RNC, whose delight is palpable as so many supposed Bernie supporters parrot their talking points in their blind hatred of Hillary.
My issue is with how you supporters are poisoning the process, ensuring a Republican win if you don't get your way, and how little you seem to be actually doing a good job of ensuring that reasonable and rational debate happens.
In short, my issue is with you and your fellow anti-hillary candidates, so I will call you out on your lies, on the Rovian talking points, and the general Freeper/Breitbarty behavior I see, since this is what is damaging to the ability of progressives to actually achieve anything. Either many of you are just so caught up in the primary fever, which happens, you're trolls, or you're just easily manipulated into turning what should be a debate about issues, into some sort of poop slinging slimefest.
I know you're too blinded by your bias and your need to attack, given how every single post I've seen you make has been an over the top attack using words you clearly don't understand, but I call out anyone I think is making ad hominem attacks when they happens, it's just that you and your fellow Berners are the ones who are engaging in the vast majority of the nastiness.
Why is it that you can never post something positive about Bernie without the toxic element, the abuse, the attacks etc.?
That speaks volumes about your true commitment here, and frankly that's the very sort of nonsense that needs to be called out. And I will continue to do so, and you and your friends can do what you do best, and with zero irony, project, attack, abuse and slime me, but all you do is make my point about just how low and nasty it's getting here. The fact that you cannot make a positive argument for your candidate speaks volumes about where the desperation and the panic is here, and the true danger to actually winning against the right wing agenda. That doesn't seem to be your goal, and what you're doing is harming that goal.
So, I've answered you honestly, and I'm expecting nothing but abuse, ad hominems and really poorly crafted snark in return, because "ironically" that's all you're capable of, despite your pretense to being "pure and true" Democrat and Progressive. So, please proceed, and prove my point.
= new reply since forum marked as read
