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DanTex

(20,709 posts)
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 04:13 PM Jan 2016

Krugman: Health Wonks and Bernie Bros

Health Wonks and Bernie Bros

So Charles Gaba, whose excellent site ACA Signups has been a huge secret resource for those of us covering health reform, is getting the Bernie Bro treatment. Never mind his long service to the cause of covering the uninsured (and his declaration that he’ll support either candidate in the general): his carefully laid-out explanation of his support for Hillary Clinton’s incremental approach means that he’s a corrupt tool of the oligarchy.

Oh well. Meanwhile, the Sanders skepticism of the wonks continues: Paul Starr lays out the case. As far as I can tell, every serious progressive policy expert on either health care or financial reform who has weighed in on the primary seems to lean Hillary. This could be because being in the trenches of the health care fight gives you an acute sense of the possible, and because having paid close attention to the financial crisis makes you a shadow-banking, not too big to fail guy. Or it could be because they are, one and all, corrupt corporate lackeys. I report, you decide.

Just to be clear, Sanders himself is not at fault here. And if Hillary is the nominee, I expect him to do what she herself did in 2008, and will surely do if he wins an upset: make it clear that whatever their differences, and whatever the primary loser’s personal frustration, there’s no comparison with the reactionary extremism of all the GOP candidates.

But it’s disappointing to see so much intolerance over what are basically differences in strategy, not goals.

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2016/01/27/health-wonks-and-bernie-bros
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Bleacher Creature

(11,256 posts)
2. Krugman continues to be a voice of reason on this issue.
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 04:41 PM
Jan 2016

His analysis is 100% spot on, although I think he's cutting Bernie a bit of unnecessary slack. He knows exactly how his supporters will react to certain words and phrases, and he hasn't been shy about using them to rile up his side.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
6. What is his analysis besides....
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 04:50 PM
Jan 2016

"We all want universal health coverage but changing anything is just too hard."

AZ Progressive

(3,411 posts)
4. There would be no United States of America if Washington and Jefferson were timid "realists"
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 04:47 PM
Jan 2016

Krugman also has a nice cozy position as being part of the Democratic establishment.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
7. If Washington (obviously part of the "establishment" at the time) had decided to confront
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 04:52 PM
Jan 2016

the British Army in head-on open battle, there wouldn't be a USA either.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
5. Hillary loves private insurance and wants to keep it as the cornerstone of health care
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 04:48 PM
Jan 2016

Bernie and we "Berniebros" (Krugman has turned into an asshole) believe that it is much better for the health system to move towards providing healthcare coverage through a public system that ensures everyone gets care, and is adjusted to income.

If we don't aim for a different direction we will stay mired in the current mess (and it is a mess) and people will both go broke and die and suffer needlessly.

There are options, but Clinton or her apologists have not offered any. All we hear is "Oh we can't do anything like that. It's too haaaaaaasrrrrrrddddd."

How much clear would you like it explained?

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
11. There is nothing systemic in any of that
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 05:12 PM
Jan 2016

It's all based on further jerryrigging the system with a little tweak her a little tweak there, and a lot of smoke and mirrors.

But keeps a bad system in place and reinforces its power.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
12. It's incremental, that's true, but it's obviously not "nothing." As Krugman has pointed out, every
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 05:15 PM
Jan 2016

progressive policy expert that has chimed in prefers Hillary's incremental approach to Bernie's. Maybe you should try to understand why, rather than dismissing them (many, including Krugman and Gaba, who are in favor of single payer) as hacks and corporate sellouts.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
14. Those are merely [patches on a rotting infrastructure
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 05:19 PM
Jan 2016

Hillary's incremental approach is like fixing the car radio when the engine is cracking.But insisting we keep the car.

That is not incremental change toward universal single payer healthcare.



NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
9. But it’s disappointing to see so much intolerance ...
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 05:04 PM
Jan 2016
But it’s disappointing to see so much intolerance ...

Indeed.



Note to Jury: The title and the excerpt are not my words. Those are Krugman's words. I'm agreeing with his truthful and non-threatening observation. This is not a "broad-brush" attack against any candidate or any candidate's supporters.

oasis

(49,386 posts)
10. I'm sure many Democrats are comfortable with Krugman's approach
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 05:09 PM
Jan 2016

to the financial aspects of health care. He's a highly competent and compassionate person and no one should bear him any ill will after Hillary becomes President.

ljm2002

(10,751 posts)
16. The term "Bernie Bros" supposedly refers to...
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 05:33 PM
Jan 2016

...a huge phalanx of young men who support Bernie Sanders in the primaries.

Trouble is, it is in fact the young WOMEN who support Bernie Sanders in record numbers. The young men show a 4% preference for Sanders over Clinton, while among young women the gap is 20%.

So Prof. Krugman, try and keep up. The "Bernie Bros" are not the major source of Sanders' support; and anyway, your cute (not) use of the term to dismiss large numbers of voters would be wrong even if it was the young men who supported Sanders the most.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
18. The link within that article is worth reading, too......
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 06:13 PM
Jan 2016
I Get Sanders’ Appeal. But He’s Not a Credible President.
Democrats have a choice between a symbolic candidacy and a real one. They should choose the real one.
By Paul Starr
1/25/2016


Read more: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/01/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-2016-213560#ixzz3yfr0MpTn
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