2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumKrugman: Health Wonks and Bernie Bros
So Charles Gaba, whose excellent site ACA Signups has been a huge secret resource for those of us covering health reform, is getting the Bernie Bro treatment. Never mind his long service to the cause of covering the uninsured (and his declaration that hell support either candidate in the general): his carefully laid-out explanation of his support for Hillary Clintons incremental approach means that hes a corrupt tool of the oligarchy.
Oh well. Meanwhile, the Sanders skepticism of the wonks continues: Paul Starr lays out the case. As far as I can tell, every serious progressive policy expert on either health care or financial reform who has weighed in on the primary seems to lean Hillary. This could be because being in the trenches of the health care fight gives you an acute sense of the possible, and because having paid close attention to the financial crisis makes you a shadow-banking, not too big to fail guy. Or it could be because they are, one and all, corrupt corporate lackeys. I report, you decide.
Just to be clear, Sanders himself is not at fault here. And if Hillary is the nominee, I expect him to do what she herself did in 2008, and will surely do if he wins an upset: make it clear that whatever their differences, and whatever the primary losers personal frustration, theres no comparison with the reactionary extremism of all the GOP candidates.
But its disappointing to see so much intolerance over what are basically differences in strategy, not goals.
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2016/01/27/health-wonks-and-bernie-bros
Bleacher Creature
(11,256 posts)His analysis is 100% spot on, although I think he's cutting Bernie a bit of unnecessary slack. He knows exactly how his supporters will react to certain words and phrases, and he hasn't been shy about using them to rile up his side.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)"We all want universal health coverage but changing anything is just too hard."
ljm2002
(10,751 posts)..."Health Wonks and Bernie Bros".
Or not.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)AZ Progressive
(3,411 posts)Krugman also has a nice cozy position as being part of the Democratic establishment.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)the British Army in head-on open battle, there wouldn't be a USA either.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Bernie and we "Berniebros" (Krugman has turned into an asshole) believe that it is much better for the health system to move towards providing healthcare coverage through a public system that ensures everyone gets care, and is adjusted to income.
If we don't aim for a different direction we will stay mired in the current mess (and it is a mess) and people will both go broke and die and suffer needlessly.
There are options, but Clinton or her apologists have not offered any. All we hear is "Oh we can't do anything like that. It's too haaaaaaasrrrrrrddddd."
How much clear would you like it explained?
DanTex
(20,709 posts)Are you following the primary at all?
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-clinton-healthcare-20150922-story.html
https://www.hillaryclinton.com/briefing/factsheets/2015/09/23/clinton-plan-to-lower-out-of-pocket-health-care-costs/
https://www.hillaryclinton.com/briefing/factsheets/2015/09/21/hillary-clinton-plan-for-lowering-prescription-drug-costs/
https://www.hillaryclinton.com/briefing/factsheets/2015/12/23/hillary-clintons-lifelong-fight-for-quality-affordable-health-care-for-all-americans/
Armstead
(47,803 posts)It's all based on further jerryrigging the system with a little tweak her a little tweak there, and a lot of smoke and mirrors.
But keeps a bad system in place and reinforces its power.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)progressive policy expert that has chimed in prefers Hillary's incremental approach to Bernie's. Maybe you should try to understand why, rather than dismissing them (many, including Krugman and Gaba, who are in favor of single payer) as hacks and corporate sellouts.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Hillary's incremental approach is like fixing the car radio when the engine is cracking.But insisting we keep the car.
That is not incremental change toward universal single payer healthcare.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Indeed.
Note to Jury: The title and the excerpt are not my words. Those are Krugman's words. I'm agreeing with his truthful and non-threatening observation. This is not a "broad-brush" attack against any candidate or any candidate's supporters.
oasis
(49,386 posts)to the financial aspects of health care. He's a highly competent and compassionate person and no one should bear him any ill will after Hillary becomes President.
CharlotteVale
(2,717 posts)merkins
(399 posts)Paul Krugman Unironically Anoints Himself Arbiter of Seriousness: Only Clinton Supporters Eligible
https://theintercept.com/2016/01/28/paul-krugman-unironically-anoints-himself-arbiter-of-seriousness-only-clinton-supporters-eligible/
Hella good read...
ljm2002
(10,751 posts)...a huge phalanx of young men who support Bernie Sanders in the primaries.
Trouble is, it is in fact the young WOMEN who support Bernie Sanders in record numbers. The young men show a 4% preference for Sanders over Clinton, while among young women the gap is 20%.
So Prof. Krugman, try and keep up. The "Bernie Bros" are not the major source of Sanders' support; and anyway, your cute (not) use of the term to dismiss large numbers of voters would be wrong even if it was the young men who supported Sanders the most.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Democrats have a choice between a symbolic candidacy and a real one. They should choose the real one.
By Paul Starr
1/25/2016
Read more: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/01/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-2016-213560#ixzz3yfr0MpTn