2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumClinton Calls on Sanders to Join Democratic Debate
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/clinton-calls-sanders-join-democratic-debate-n505251"I'm ready for the debate, and I hope Sen. Sanders will change his mind and join us," she said in the interview, which will air on "Hardball" Wednesday night. "I think the DNC and the campaigns should be able to work this out. I've been for, you know, for a long time, that I'd be happy to have more debates, and I hope we can get this done."...
Clinton and Martin O'Malley, the third candidate in the race, quickly said they would be open to joining, but Sanders campaign manager Jeff Weaver said his candidate was not interested in an unsanctioned debate....
The DNC sanctioned six debates and has drawn a hard line against adding any more to the schedule. And the committee has vowed to enforce an exclusivity clause, which would bar candidates from joining future sanctioned debates if they participate in an unsanctioned debate.
So the rules don't apply to Hillary?!
TheBlackAdder
(28,255 posts)Ron Green
(9,823 posts)Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)Smart.
Instead, he is calling for sanctioned debates in states where he is not the front runner.
If Hillary wants debates, she can agree.
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)Trying to pressure Sanders.
What a joke.
I would ignore all of it. Let them talk smack. Just ignore them.
If the Democratic party wants to officially sanction this NH debate, in writing--then Sanders should move forward.
He shouldn't allow Clinton's bullying and manipulations though the media to move him one iota.
So sick of Clinton's malarkey.
Jarqui
(10,131 posts)In her mind, there are no rules, agreements or laws that apply to her.
I wonder if Bernie is being set up - so when he honors his agreement with the DNC and declines, they call him out for ducking her. Wouldn't surprise me.
HassleCat
(6,409 posts)When Clinton was sure she had a lock on it, six debates were plenty, and there would be no loose talk of more. Now comes a little curve. This is fine for Clinton, because she can have it either way if he hero opponents join her in this "rogue" debate. If she comes out of it wanting more debates, she will have the DNC retroactively approve the debate, or create some kind of loophole. If she wants to shut down the whole thing, she will have the DNC declare the debate "illegal" and ban all the candidates from the remaining debates. Heads I win, tails you lose.
cali
(114,904 posts)little Debbie. Nothing more clearly illustrates that Hillary thought she'd stroll to the nomination, and now hill is desperate to break the rules she wanted.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)Depaysement
(1,835 posts)DWS is doing the right thing by not sanctioning additional debates. At least so far.
mhatrw
(10,786 posts)left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)She previously said she'd do whatever DWS wanted.
Now she wants an unauthorized debate?
VulgarPoet
(2,872 posts)eom
TIME TO PANIC
(1,894 posts)If Clinton and O'malley participate in this unsanctioned debate and the exclusivity clause will be enforced, will Sanders be on stage by himself for the last two debates?
TIME TO PANIC
(1,894 posts)Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)LonePirate
(13,441 posts)Bernie (well, his supporters more so than him) wanted more debates and everybody cheered.
Hillary asks Bernie to join a new debate (which I believe he once gave tentative approval to attend) and she is castigated for it.
People need to make up their minds. The more debates we have, the better and more informed we are. It should not matter who wants more debates or why more debates are wanted. It is hypocritical for anyone who called for more debates in the past to suddenly be against them now.
CharlotteVale
(2,717 posts)It's also disingenuous and dishonest.
LonePirate
(13,441 posts)The general public does not give a damn if the DLC officially endorse a debate or not. As far as they are concerned, if everybody attends and it's on television (NBC or MSNBC), then it is a debate. Sanctioned or unsanctioned is meaningless when all three attend.
TCJ70
(4,387 posts)...in that the general public doesn't care, but DWS and her cronies do. Anything Bernie does that's outside their agreed upon rules opens the door for them to keep him from future debates.
LonePirate
(13,441 posts)I honestly have no idea how anyone could believe something so absurd.
TCJ70
(4,387 posts)...no one knows except DWS and quite frankly her integrity is more than in question. What I don't get is, why are people so upset about this? Or if not upset, then turning it into some kind of negative for Sanders. He's doing absolutely nothing wrong in abiding by the agreement but this is somehow a negative?
TheFarS1de
(1,017 posts)Hillary however does . Unfortunately they had an opportunity and went for the "mushroom" rule . Now she can deal with that decision . Besides as I have been told repeatedly , debates don't matter
LonePirate
(13,441 posts)Any opportunity for a public, televised debate should be seized upon even if only to counter the Repub noise machine for a day. Anybody who objects to more debates now after wanting them in the past is a hypocrite pure and simple. And anyone who did not want more debates in the past but now wants more of them is a hypocrite as well.
CharlotteVale
(2,717 posts)I hope Bernie keeps refusing to play their desperate little game.
coyote
(1,561 posts)She has zero integrity.
FlatBaroque
(3,160 posts)the era of neo-liberal corruption and greed is coming to an end, but she is not yet fully accepting of that reality.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)jfern
(5,204 posts)But now that Hillary's in trouble we suddenly get more debates? Where were they when Bernie's name recognition was low?
in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)He owes her and her THUGS, absolutely nothing.
PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE
NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)proves that to be completely false.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)Prism
(5,815 posts)Sanctioned, unsanctioned, yes, no, whatever.
Of course, if DWS sanctions the debate, there's no problem for anyone.
But that would be obvious and easy. Clinton could make a phone call and fix the entire situation if she was being sincere. But nah, let's pretend instead!
Does she think anyone buys this bullshit?
I don't think I have ever in my life so earnestly wished for a Democratic politician to just go away forever. She's a corrosive influence on our party and liberalism in general.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)EdwardBernays
(3,343 posts)If Bernie doesn't go does that mean that he'll have all future debates to himself?
Lol
Clinton is an idiot.
nc4bo
(17,651 posts)Why?
Personally I'd tell the lot if them to fuck off but I'm not a politician.
O'Malley and Sanders were practically begging for more debates DWS gave them both an ass cheek to kiss.
Only problem I see with the "fuck off" solution is if O'Malley and Hill have a tea party without Sanders giving his opinions.
DWS needs to find another job.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)Do nothing to help her.
PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)If she wants debates, she can debate him there.
nc4bo
(17,651 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)DWS to New Hampshire: No Democratic Debate for You
http://www.sunshinestatenews.com/story/dws-new-hampshire-no-democratic-debate-you
to Purveyor
Todays_Illusion
(1,209 posts)KamaAina
(78,249 posts)Look at the headline: "Clinton Calls on Sanders to Join Democratic Debate". NBC ate it up hook, line and sinker.
Todays_Illusion
(1,209 posts)hall actually hurt her, it didn't help her. She is just hurling herself into oblivion.