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Thu Jan 28, 2016, 10:23 PM

Does an image of the AARP mailer exist anywhere on the internet?

I have seen a lot of outrage over a Bernie mailer that supposedly included the AARP logo, but so far I have yet to see anyone post an image of this mailer.

If an image of this mailer exists anywhere on the internet please post it so we can all judge it for ourselves.

If on the other hand this ad is so rare that not one person can even find an image of it then please explain to me how an ad that no one can even see could lead people to believe the AARP has endorsed Bernie.

Thank you.

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Reply Does an image of the AARP mailer exist anywhere on the internet? (Original post)
Bjorn Against Jan 2016 OP
PatrickforO Jan 2016 #1
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jfern Jan 2016 #24
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Kalidurga Jan 2016 #4
winter is coming Jan 2016 #29
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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Thu Jan 28, 2016, 10:26 PM

1. I couldn't find any picture. Which makes me think it is a Rovian rat fuck.

Here...check out my RAT. Isn't he cool? I love this rat!

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Response to PatrickforO (Reply #1)

Thu Jan 28, 2016, 10:28 PM

5. Oh Dear God

 

That made me both cringe and laugh out loud

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Response to Armstead (Reply #5)

Thu Jan 28, 2016, 10:29 PM

6. "Rovian ratfuck" might just be one of the greatest terms I've seen on this forum.

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Response to PatrickforO (Reply #1)

Thu Jan 28, 2016, 10:31 PM

8. Could be that or a Brockian ratfuck. He's a pretty experienced right wing rat fucker.

 

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Response to PatrickforO (Reply #1)

Thu Jan 28, 2016, 10:39 PM

12. Yeah, AARP is "part of the plan." Please.

AARP doesn't endorse candidates, so Big Fail. They didn't go after Bernie to be MEAN to him. They went after him because he was using their logo and they wanted him to stop doing that.

Further, the whole "rat fuck" meme has to do with the r-a-t in "Democrat....so by posting your ugly little rat pic, you're in essence insulting all of us here who are Democrats.



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Response to MADem (Reply #12)

Thu Jan 28, 2016, 10:48 PM

16. Where did they use the logo?

Please present us with the image of the ad with the logo so we can judge it for yourselves.

Thank you.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Reply #16)

Thu Jan 28, 2016, 11:35 PM

34. They used it on a MAILER. It's not an "ad."

I'm not a Sanders supporter--he hasn't sent me anything. Yet. If his people got my states' database when they broke into the files, I may be hearing from him soon. We'll see.

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Response to MADem (Reply #34)

Thu Jan 28, 2016, 11:39 PM

38. When did campaign mailers stop being a form of advertising?

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Response to Bjorn Against (Reply #38)

Thu Jan 28, 2016, 11:45 PM

39. It's highly targeted--it's not a magazine, newspaper or TV/radio ad. nt

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Response to MADem (Reply #39)

Thu Jan 28, 2016, 11:48 PM

40. You do realize that there are more types of ads than the ones you listed don't you?

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Response to MADem (Reply #34)

Thu Jan 28, 2016, 11:52 PM

44. You better inform the US Postal Service that mailers are not a form of advertising

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Response to Bjorn Against (Reply #44)

Thu Jan 28, 2016, 11:58 PM

46. Now you're just being churlish. It's TARGETED advertising.

DIRECT mail. It's not going out over the airwaves, or published in a paper for anyone to see. They have a pretty good idea who their audience is for this kind of thing. I'll bet most of the recipients of that mailer were over sixty five.

They aren't sending this stuff to children and Trump supporters. It's going to Sanders enthusiasts, or people they think they can 'turn,' to try and get out the vote.

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Response to MADem (Reply #46)

Fri Jan 29, 2016, 12:03 AM

48. You felt the need to correct me and say it was not an ad

Now you seem to acknowledge you were wrong however as you admit it is targeted ADvertising.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Reply #48)

Fri Jan 29, 2016, 12:07 AM

50. It's not an "ad" in the sense of those that are issued to the general public

in an effort to catch one's eye and persuade.

It wasn't plastered on the side of buses or on billboards.

It was mailed to likely voters as a GOTV tool. It's a distinction and a difference.

You can call it a Big Fig if you'd like--it was still wrong, what Sanders' people did.

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Response to MADem (Reply #50)

Fri Jan 29, 2016, 12:15 AM

52. You are splitting hairs

You chose to correct me because I called an ad an ad, now you are twisting yourself in knots trying to say that a direct advertising mailer is not an ad.

Keep it up, you are providing me some good laughs tonight.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Reply #52)

Fri Jan 29, 2016, 12:18 AM

54. No, I am not--but glad you're so easily amused.

Bottom line--someone took something that didn't belong to them.

AGAIN.

If you find that 'funny' and worthy of a laugh, well, yuck it up!

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Response to MADem (Reply #12)

Thu Jan 28, 2016, 11:38 PM

37. AARP does NOT back single payer because they make money by selling insurance policies


to their members. Isn't it great how they look out for their elderly membership.

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Response to Skwmom (Reply #37)

Thu Jan 28, 2016, 11:49 PM

42. Wow. Right under my nose and I didn't see it.

 

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Response to Skwmom (Reply #37)

Thu Jan 28, 2016, 11:51 PM

43. I've thought AARP were assholes for years, and I've said as much here.

That said, their 'assholishness' doesn't give a campaign a "RIGHT" to steal their logo or misrepresent that organization as supporting one particular candidate when they don't 'do' endorsements.

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Response to PatrickforO (Reply #1)

Thu Jan 28, 2016, 11:23 PM

24. Brockian

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #2)

Thu Jan 28, 2016, 10:28 PM

4. But I still don't see the AARP logo

that's kind of confusing. So where is it?

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Response to Kalidurga (Reply #4)

Thu Jan 28, 2016, 11:29 PM

29. Presumably on a different but equally bogus mailer? n/t

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Response to winter is coming (Reply #29)

Fri Jan 29, 2016, 12:51 AM

61. They aren't very good at this.

Whereas Bernie's team destroyed Hillary's campaign within either 45 minutes or 2 hours of data access according to team Hillary.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Thu Jan 28, 2016, 10:27 PM

3. I've been looking.

Haven't found it. I tried to ask about it at that site that is linked to the response to Bernie's team, but it's not taking messages.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Thu Jan 28, 2016, 10:30 PM

7. That is my first question. Where is a picture of the mailer?

 

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Thu Jan 28, 2016, 10:31 PM

9. No and if you go to that link that they are posting it is BOGUS!

Here is the link they are posting. http://states.aarp.org/aarp-statement-in-response-to-sanders-mailing/?intcmp=DSO-LOGIN

Try to leave a comment and see what happens AND speaking of comments, notice how many comments there are on such a scandalous event.

Then go to AARP.org
Search for States - click on Iowa.
NOTHING! Not one word.

Total bullshit.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Thu Jan 28, 2016, 10:33 PM

10. I haven't find one anywhere. Newsweek claims that they have an image

but, oddly enough, there is no link to it.

http://www.newsweek.com/sanders-complaints-iowa-nevada-420806

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #10)

Thu Jan 28, 2016, 10:54 PM

19. Hmm. It's almost as if a SuperPAC has been shopping negative info

around to media outlets...

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Response to winter is coming (Reply #19)

Thu Jan 28, 2016, 11:25 PM

26. One with a particularly Orwellian name

Like one that implies that they aren't 100% lies

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Thu Jan 28, 2016, 10:34 PM

11. I haven't seen "a lot of outrage." I've seen a story that says AARP asked Sanders'

campaign to stop using their logo. I don't particularly care for AARP as an organization, but I doubt that they are lying.

http://www.newsweek.com/sanders-complaints-iowa-nevada-420806

Senator Bernie Sanders has built his insurgent presidential bid around being Mr. Clean, but several outside groups are now accusing his campaign of playing dirty.

Sandersís campaign in Iowa has included League of Conservation Voters and AARP logos in recent mailers itís sent to prospective caucusgoers, a subtle effort to tie himself to those groups, if not implying an endorsement. But neither group has backed him. The AARP, which represents retirees, does not endorse candidates, and the League of Conservative Voters, an environmental advocacy group, is supporting Sandersís Democratic foe, Hillary Clinton.

And now news has broken of what is potentially an even more bald-faced deception, in Nevada, where Sanders supporters have reportedly been posing as members of Las Vegasís powerful Culinary Workers Union
Local 226 to try to rally labor support ahead of the stateís Democratic caucuses on February 20.
[/blockquote


That last deception is particularly egregious. Sanders is not being well served by his staff. They take things that don't belong to them, and they misrepresent themselves. That's pretty low conduct. They aren't helping their candidate.

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Response to MADem (Reply #11)

Thu Jan 28, 2016, 10:41 PM

13. A pattern is starting to emerge here. nt

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Response to Bobbie Jo (Reply #13)

Thu Jan 28, 2016, 10:42 PM

14. I have to agree with you on that score!!! nt

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Response to MADem (Reply #11)

Thu Jan 28, 2016, 10:45 PM

15. You do realize that the dispute with the Culinary Union has been resolved?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511086159

Now has anyone seen the AARP ad or not? If not then why would it matter if AARP's logo is on an ad that no one has seen?

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Response to Bjorn Against (Reply #15)

Thu Jan 28, 2016, 11:23 PM

23. Resolved? They were caught and called out.

Do you seriously think AARP is "lying" about this mailer?

Obviously, there WAS a mailer. It wasn't an "ad" it was a mailer sent to identified people on a mailing list.

AARP doesn't endorse candidates--any candidates--and they demanded that Sanders stop distributing that thing.

I am shocked at this double-down agression...AARP isn't lying, and this has nothing to do with any candidate EXCEPT Sanders.

As for the flyer, surely some Sanders supporter from IA has received this thing in their mailbox....

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Response to MADem (Reply #23)

Thu Jan 28, 2016, 11:30 PM

31. Please post an image of the mailer

If we are supposed to get upset over the use of a logo we should at least be able to see the context in which the logo appeared.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Reply #31)

Fri Jan 29, 2016, 12:05 AM

49. Why are you "supposed to get upset?"

Here's what happened.

The Sanders crew used an image that they weren't authorized to use, which created an association--an 'implied affiliation'--that did not exist.

Actually, they did this more than once--with AARP and LCV.

The agencies with rights to the logos called them out and told them to stop using the logos, and they did.

If you want to see the logo and how it was used, ya know who has it? The SANDERS campaign. They created it, they sent it out, and they got caught/called out because of it.

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Response to MADem (Reply #49)

Fri Jan 29, 2016, 12:09 AM

51. How do you know the ad implied an affiliation?

The presence of a logo does not automatically imply an affiliation. I don't think it is too much to ask to see the ad before we judge it.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Reply #51)

Fri Jan 29, 2016, 12:20 AM

56. Really? I guess AARP told him to stop using it for savage amusement, then?

And that rabid Weaver didn't come out spitting and swinging ... why?

I think because they a) Are guilty and b) Got caught.

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Response to MADem (Reply #56)

Fri Jan 29, 2016, 12:22 AM

58. If they are guilty show us the proof

I am sure not going to declare guilt without even seeing the most basic of evidence, if you are willing to do so it says a lot about you.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Reply #58)

Fri Jan 29, 2016, 01:29 AM

64. Here's the proof--Weaver hasn't held a combative press conference or

issued an aggressive press release.

I am going to "declare guilt" because I don't think AARP--who aren't endorsing ANYONE--made this up just to be mean to Bernie.

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Response to MADem (Reply #11)

Thu Jan 28, 2016, 10:49 PM

17. I guess you haven't been reading DU for the last few hours then. n/t

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Response to ljm2002 (Reply #17)

Thu Jan 28, 2016, 11:29 PM

30. I'm reading a lot of aggrieved crying about a mailer.

Clearly, the campaign misappropriated a couple of logos and got caught. I don't think LCV and AARP are "inventing" these Cease And Desist demands to be 'mean to Bernie.' All of this "Well, let's SEE it!!" demands are just strange--unless people think that LCV and AARP are inventing this imbroglio because Bernie is being 'victimized' by them. And anyone who does think that is not thinking clearly, IMO.

This, and the theft of data, and the infiltration of the union through deceit, does nothing to burnish the reputation of the campaign for honesty.

Sanders has some "anything to win" subordinates. They're not serving him well.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Thu Jan 28, 2016, 10:51 PM

18. Obviously, AARP made the whole thing up. They're part of the big conspiracy.

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Response to DanTex (Reply #18)

Thu Jan 28, 2016, 10:54 PM

20. So can you provide us with the image?

If I am supposed to get upset over this ad then I should at least be able to see what I am supposed to get upset over.

I hate to break it to you Dan but asking for evidence does not make a person a conspiracy theorist.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Reply #20)

Thu Jan 28, 2016, 11:24 PM

25. I have an AARP press release. Obviously, they could be lying just to smear Bernie.

Or maybe their press release person went rogue and just started typing at random. Who knows?

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Response to DanTex (Reply #25)

Thu Jan 28, 2016, 11:26 PM

27. But that link is bogus. Try to add a comment & see what happens.

Then Go to Aarp.org and then go to Iowa and try to find it.

It's not there.

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Response to DanTex (Reply #25)

Thu Jan 28, 2016, 11:34 PM

33. Or maybe they never saw a mailer but were told about it by someone. Who knows?

 

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Response to Bjorn Against (Reply #20)

Thu Jan 28, 2016, 11:33 PM

32. It's not an "ad." It's a mailer--addressed to likely voters.

No one is demanding that you get "upset" but you should be aware that your candidate (well, his people--but he gets the credit, and takes the blame) misappropriated two logos and used deceptive tactics to gain access to union workers.

Oh, and they swiped data too--and fired three people after they got caught.

Sanders' staff are willing to do anything to win, even cheat.

They don't behave well at all.

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Response to MADem (Reply #32)

Thu Jan 28, 2016, 11:37 PM

35. Campaign mailers are a type of advertising

They are not difficult to scan and put on the internet either.

It is not unreasonable to ask to see the ad and judge the context in which the logo was used for ourselves.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Reply #35)

Thu Jan 28, 2016, 11:38 PM

36. Well, maybe one of the IA Sanders supporters will do that. nt

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Response to MADem (Reply #36)

Thu Jan 28, 2016, 11:49 PM

41. Or a recipient, a complainant or, maybe AARP?

 

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Response to morningfog (Reply #41)

Thu Jan 28, 2016, 11:53 PM

45. Why would AARP re-promulgate an image they demanded he stop using?

Makes no sense. You're going to have to get it from a Sandernista.

AARP told him "Stop using our shit." They're not going to wave it around further--the idea is to STOP publishing the association, not putting it out on the net for further distribution.

smh!

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Response to MADem (Reply #45)

Thu Jan 28, 2016, 11:59 PM

47. The AARP site is heavily populated with images of most of the presidential candidates.

 

The statement presents the issue as fact. But, were they given a copy or just told about it?

All I'm asking is for proof. It doesn't have to come from AARP, but surely someone out there can confirm this happened. Sanders, to my knowledge, hasn't commented on it.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #47)

Fri Jan 29, 2016, 12:17 AM

53. Do you seriously think they told him to "stop" based on hearsay?

I don't, and I think it defies logic if anyone believes that was the case.

Frankly, if it didn't happen, I doubt that "Shrinking Violet" Weaver would sit back and not challenge Newsweek on their reporting. There'd have been an angry tweet out quicker than you could say "Misuse of a Logo."

There's a lovely image of the LCV misuse, here--the AARP one will show up eventually, I'm sure....

http://m.dailykos.com/story/2016/1/28/1476430/-Bernie-s-Campaign-In-Deep-Now

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Response to MADem (Reply #53)

Fri Jan 29, 2016, 12:20 AM

55. I saw that one. I'm just waiting for the same to appear for AARP.

 

They should not have included the logo, but the text was accurate.

I the AARP mailer exists, it will make it to the internet. It hasn't yet.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #55)

Fri Jan 29, 2016, 12:22 AM

57. It's going to have to come from a recipient of the mailer, I think.

The campaign has been told to stop using it--so they can't publish it again.

AARP doesn't want to further promulgate any false idea of an association.

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Response to MADem (Reply #57)

Fri Jan 29, 2016, 12:22 AM

59. Newsweek claims to have, or to have seen, a copy.

 

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Response to morningfog (Reply #59)

Fri Jan 29, 2016, 01:27 AM

63. AARP has told Sanders to stop using it. Only a recipient is likely to put it out. nt

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Response to DanTex (Reply #18)

Thu Jan 28, 2016, 11:22 PM

22. I don't know what happened. Did AARP actually see a Sanders mailers with its logo?

 

Or were they told and then released the statement?

I, too, doubt that AARP "made the whole thing up." But so far, no evidence has been produced that it actually happened.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Thu Jan 28, 2016, 10:59 PM

21. I don't get snail mail from the campaign

but I have 2 email accounts and get emails everyday from different sources with the campaign and I've never seen ANY logos in the emails. I've never even thought about them sending out mailers, I guess they do, but I get the impression they'd much rather do emails, just because it's more cost effective.

I'd also like to see a copy of this "mailer."

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Fri Jan 29, 2016, 12:24 AM

60. So no factual evidence as of yet. We're going based upon a statement by AARP. Who tipped them?

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Fri Jan 29, 2016, 01:15 AM

62. using the search field, I am finding the statement of the Sanders issue on both of your links

I think this is legit. I too want to see the mailer. It is supposedly a picture of AARP members supporting social security, wearing red t-shirts with an AARP logo on them. I think AARPs issue is with Sander's campaign even using their name, the logo and with the group affiliated with AARP.

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