2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBernie responds to Clinton Campaign's Bogus Accusation He's Busing in Students in Iowa.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)Apparently, HRC still hasn't learned that one of the things that cost her votes in '08 was sleazy campaigning.
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)I hope it blows up in her face, again.
Health Wagon
(99 posts)having Bernie win by a landslide, and Clinton will not have any delegates because she didn't meet the threshold, and O'Malley didn't meet it, but has covered the other 14%, leaving Bernie with over 72%, and obtains all the delegates.
TheBlackAdder
(28,189 posts)Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)after the incident in Vegas and the mailers in Iowa.
pandr32
(11,581 posts)Don't forget to add the improperly accessed Iowa and New Hampshire campaign data of Hillary Clinton that is still under investigation.
karynnj
(59,503 posts)That video of Bernie rings true. It is very obvious that he is genuinely angry that his honesty is being attacked.
I have a long enough memory to remember that a few days before the Iowa caucus in the 2008 race, HRC's campaign spoke of Obama doing the same thing -- and further pointing to Chicago as where they were to be coming from. This was troubling then - as now - because it validates a Republican lie that there is voter fraud. While there is plenty of evidence for election fraud - where authorities have cheated, there has never been verification of significant voter fraud - where ineligible people vote - in any recent election in the US. Suppression of Democratic votes -- lots of proof.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)in my opinion.
It's not about being "seen as dishonest."
It's about actually doing things that are dishonest.
karynnj
(59,503 posts)With the LCV, Bernie does have a 95% lifetime rating. That is the only thing said - if it said he was endorsed it would be dishonest.
With the AARP, they don't endorse and they are a non profit - and it is a 501C. That tax status means that it can not endorse a politician and there are limits on political actions they could take. ( This is the code that most churches and synagogues are under.) In 2012, they asked Obama not to use their statements in support of his programs -- even though his programs were in line with their goals.
I am certain that we won't see either logo again. One thing that would be interesting is whether Bernie will use that he has a 95% lifetime ranking. He does and - given that they publish these - he should be able to site their published document.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)The only "mailer" I've seen is undeliverable--no addressee--so I don't see how anyone could have received it, unless it was the so-called "Democrat" peddling anonymous "tips" to the media. If mailers did exist outside lame-ass Photoshopped images, there's no proof Bernie actually sent them.
On the one side, you've got Sanders, who's run for office many, many times and is known as a clean campaigner.
On the other side, you've got Clinton, who has a reputation as a dirty campaigner.
Smart money says the dirty tricks aren't coming from Sanders.
Health Wagon
(99 posts)My dear interlocutor.
Gregorian
(23,867 posts)For years, Dems groomed themselves to adhere to the standards provided by conservatives. To me, that's what the Dean scream was about. It was punishment for expressing emotion. This is business, after all, and it's serious. Then along comes Bernie, fearless and expressive and honest.
This is some of the most empowering politics I've ever seen.