Is the President really in the lead?

[JeffersonLoveChild]

A comment by former Dire Straits guitarist, David Knopfler, on Mother Jones' FB page got me thinking (he's Scottish, by the way).

"Your country is in the same cinema and on the same physical plane but you're politically watching two entirely different movies if you're able to find a movie to watch at all. If Romney manages to win, it will probably come down to raft of things: failure to understand that other movie, to independents, voter suppression, corporate money, liberal apathy, and rigged voting machines that squeeze Romney into shoes he lacks all vision or genius for. The media on the left, however brilliantly it articulates the case for Obama, is singing only to the choir and is not really hearing what that inarticulate rage is about, that those on the right who viscerally hate Obama, (despite him having "triangulated" further right than Joe Leiberman) are upset about. Things need to be done differently

I think Knopfler is right. In my daily online battles, I don't think I've ever actually seen any GOP/conservative/tea party/Paul-libertarian grunts who are not angry. They hate President Obama, they despise the term 'liberal', they consider the 'leftist' media as garbage and they don't trust mainstream journalists. In short, they will only pay attention to the conservative media.

Moderate party members are routinely called traitors/turncoats (most famous example being McCain - I think 3/4 of the grunts at Free Republic actually despise him) for daring to tread the middle.

On the opposite site of the fence, we have Democrats/liberals who are not really all that interested in the election. As they sleep in on Sundays, their conservative counterparts are listening to a Church pastor somewhere down in Nebraska about how the President is actually a socialist Muslim with a plan to destroy America. And nothing you can say or do will change their mind. They believe that dinosaurs once walked among men, that California is Gomorrah, that we did find a cache of WMDs in Iraq, that Iran is on the brink of launching a nuclear attack on Israel, that our Founding Fathers were religious fundamentalists, that President Clinton was to blame for the housing bubble collapse and the near-systemic meltdown of the banking sector, that President Obama apologized (and bowed, a couple of times) to leaders of other countries, that the President is a Kenyan Islamist mole planted to destroy America from the inside - I could go on, but you get the drift.

And as we rejoice daily over the discoveries of new evidences, facts, and proof of the GOP scam and lies, it matters not one bit to these grunts. At the end of the day, as Knopfler said, we are only singing to the choir.

I am very worried. I see no significant drop in Mittens' support despite a month-long hammering, and if this does not take into account voter suppression efforts and organized voter fraud. And he appears to be still holding the lead among independents!

And yet, in spite of this, Blues everywhere are starting to grow overconfident. Even MSNBC is getting a little too confident for my liking. The combative spirit I saw from Ed, Chris and the gang in the middle of the year seems to have mellowed a little.

Tell me I'm wrong, someone. Please. Tell me I am overreacting, and maybe even a little paranoid. But honestly, I don't think I am.
With the kind of battering Mittens' been receiving since the Convention, the President should be holding a healthy, healthy lead over him. And yet, we're just a couple of points above the margin of error.

And Dick Morris, believes Romney is actually pulling ahead!

ps: Sorry for any typos. Too tired to check.

[Drunken Irishman]

1. Game over man ... game over!

[NCLefty]

2. I'm trying to think what it was like 4 years ago

But my memory only goes back a week and a half!

I think they were saying it was going to be close right up until the end, and Obama kinda owned McCain. Does anyone else remember?

[TroyD]

3. Good point, but is there more voter suppression than in 2008?

Bill Clinton has said he thinks it's at a record high according to what he's seen.

[JI7]

5. after Obama won in 2008 it did increase, and much of it has been done in the open

before it was more things like republicans posting wrong voting dates in mostly dem areas .

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

44. Had Democrats come out and voted in 2010, this degree of suppression would not be taking place.

Think about it: All these Republican governors were elected in 2010 because liberals were unfairly angry at the Democrats and President Obama. And look what we got: a long list of ALEC/KKKoch Bros. based laws that strip collective bargaining, implemented draconian anti-choice and racist immigration laws, and voter ID and a host of others laws meant to suppress the vote.

Next time I hope that Democrats won't abandon their leaders, allowing Republicans to take over nearly all levels of government. We are witnessing what happens when we allow them to win.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

62. 2010 was an atrocity IMHO

Let it never be repeated. The Democratic Congress we had then sans GOP obstruction looks mighty fine now by comparison.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

63. It's a thankless job. If I were Nancy Pelosi, I would be FURIOUS at the voters for abandoning her.

She led the most productive Congress in the nation's history, and what did she get for it? Teabagging hypocrites who are hellbent on destroying government and everything we've worked hard for over the last century.

I hope that we never let this happen again. And hopefully it's not too late to undo the damage.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

65. I don't think it's too late to undo the damage

but it was a huge setback IMHO from cleaning up the Bushco years and continuing to fix the economy. The only consolation is that they didn't manage to reverse much (if any) of President Obama's major initiatives nor get any right-wing junk passed and signed into law. Did some unnecessary damage to our country's once sterling credit rating with their debt ceiling antics.

[JeffersonLoveChild]

7. My links are not appearing above...

I actually included a link for voting fraud above, but all my links are not appearing (three links, altogether).

Here it is again.

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/news/local-govt-politics/questionable-palm-beach-county-voter-registration-/nSL5Y/


As for 2008, on September 27, a CBS poll showed the President leading McCain by 9 points.

Link: http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/sepd-elec08.pdf

[SkyDaddy7]

23. Obama is tied among Independents...

If that helps any? However, I do share your "paranoia" for lack of a better word & I do think far too many Democrats are over confident...Which scares me because it could lead to less folks coming out to vote!

[Spitfire of ATJ]

28. "I'm trying to think what it was like 4 years ago"

The Washington Villagers all wanted to do Palin on a polar bear rug.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

42. We then found out a few years later that racism actually made the outcome closer than

it would've been absent that racism. According to a doctoral student at Harvard, Google searches for Obama demonstrated an uptick in racist rhetoric and hatred. That racism translated into votes for McCain that cost Obama additional votes.

So, David is right: We don't know how much of that will play an even greater role given the visceral hatred that has only gotten worse since 2008. We don't the impact that will have on voter suppression and the fact that the Corporate Media and many Republicans--and Democrats--raise the bar for Obama such that no matter what he does, it is never good enough. I hear Democrats who voted for Clinton twice despite the fact that he is more conservative than Obama but who have declared that they won't give Obama a second chance even when considering the seemingly insurmountable obstacles this man has faced.

I do believe that psychological racism--which is difficult to prove--has played a very large role in how this man is treated, from the digusting display of disrespect and the "black tax" that some on the political left levied at this president, to this idea that Obama needs Bill Clinton or some other "white knight" in order to succeed...for he can't possibly succeed due to his own merit and talent.

At any rate, here's the study from the Harvard graduate student on race and the impact on the 2008 elections:

http://www.people.fas.harvard.edu/~sstephen/papers/RacialAnimusAndVotingSethStephensDavidowitz.pdf

[Summer Hathaway]

4. "We have Democrats/liberals who are not really all that interested in the election."

Okay, sweetie.

Name them.



ps: Sorry for any lack of courtesy - too tired of the BS to care.

[JeffersonLoveChild]

8. I'll ignore the baiting...

But are you seriously asking me to name people here?
Do you need SS number too? And would 5, or ten suffice?
Are you serious here?

[Summer Hathaway]

13. I'm as serious as you are, my dear

Only much better at the game.

[JeffersonLoveChild]

14. Please don't call me dear

And please don't include me in your 'games'.

[Summer Hathaway]

15. I'll call you whatever I please

And the game is on - oh, and BTW, you're losing already.

But maybe you're too tired to notice.

[JeffersonLoveChild]

16. You're harrasing me, and disrupting the thread.

Please stop.
If you feel I have breached the T&C's, report me.
In the meantime, do not address me with anymore of your terms of endearment.
I don't know you, I don't like your games, and I don't appreciate your insinuations.
I will ignore you from now on.

[Summer Hathaway]

17. Please stop?

Why? Do you think I don't realize how hard this is?

Two rules:

Don't start an OP if you don't want to hear the replies.

Don't bring a knife to a gunfight.

[demwing]

25. JLC if you think this is harrasment

you should go invest in an asbestos snuggie for protection. Wait till the real flames begin...

Toughen up and welcome to DU.

[Voice for Peace]

47. I know people who still need convincing.

Obama voters from 2008, who are disillusioned & haven't
gotten fired back up yet.

I think you're being unfair, and also -- hardly anybody
likes to be called dear or sweetie, not by a stranger -- it
comes across as condescending.

To support an agenda of integrity, to advance life on
this planet, requires that we also examine our own
part in any conflict, correct our own transgressions.

Not use our power to hurt judge or insult others.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

6. Is your post really in the lead

for the rustiest bucket of steamingest horseshit?

[JeffersonLoveChild]

9. I thought these types of responses were only limited to conservative forums...

... but apparently I was wrong.

What specifically offended you here?

What have I actually written that are not substantiated by facts and general observations, apart from my take on MSNBC?

Seriously, I am actually quite shocked at the last two posts.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

12. Geez, it was just a question.

Am I being paranoid? Talk me down, bro. Tell me I'm wrong,
please. Tell me I am overreacting, but honestly, I don't think I am.

I'm sick & tired of quivery ducklings who wet their feathers
at the sight of victory & curl up in the corner sobbing & hoping it
will just go away! Bad victory! Go 'way!

Not that you're a quivery duckling, but your post is a
quivery duckling post, and, you know, I'm sick & tired
of em. Rusty buckets of steaming horseshit.

[Voice for Peace]

49. maybe if you re-read your post

you can understand why someone would feel insulted
by your choice of words.

We ridicule Romney on this site for not having any
human qualities -- such as being able to relate to someone
who isn't the same as he is, or because he disses or ignores
someone's legitimate concerns.

Then-- people here do the same thing to each other,
as if another poster were not human, were not
deemed worthy of respect, of being listened to,
of having viewpoints considered.

I do not understand how Democrats can claim any high
ground as long as we think it's okay to insult another
person, to treat another with unkindness, even on an
anonymous message board.

I'm a firm Obama supporter because I see him as a
man of integrity. I loathe Romney because he is a
liar.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

58. Maybe if you re-read my post,

instead of just the headline, you will see
I'm aware of what I wrote & why. Some
Democrats find victory difficult to swallow.
Not me.

[renie408]

60. Hey, man...High Five!!

I am SO sick and fucking tired of being CONCERNED!!

And who the fuck on OUR side is ignoring this election?? Gosh, I guess Democrats are so fucking stupid that they won't go VOTE if their guy is in the lead.

[Voice for Peace]

64. Is your post really in the lead for the rustiest bucket of steamingest horseshit?

that's what I read and responded to.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

67. This is the post you responded to:

"Geez, it was just a question.

Am I being paranoid? Talk me down, bro. Tell me I'm wrong,
please. Tell me I am overreacting, but honestly, I don't think I am.

I'm sick & tired of quivery ducklings who wet their feathers
at the sight of victory & curl up in the corner sobbing & hoping it
will just go away! Bad victory! Go 'way!

Not that you're a quivery duckling, but your post is a
quivery duckling post, and, you know, I'm sick & tired
of em. Rusty buckets of steaming horseshit."

Let me know if I can clarify anything else for you, Voice for Peace.

[Voice for Peace]

69. ok you win, the first was the post I reACTed to..

and I did read & get the second one. But my point is
valid.. if someone responded to an OP I had posted the
way you did, I would have found it insulting.

There's a tendency to assume the worst and shoot
from the hip without considering how our words
affect the other person -- or whether they are
effective in conveying our meaning.

So many major conflicts begin as little
misunderstandings, or miscommunications.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

70. I agree.

And of course I intended it to be what it was.
Every once in a while I get fed up.
Still human, still learning.
And as always, more shall be revealed.
Peace, Voice.

[Voice for Peace]

71. ok. I won't refer you to this post then

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021427796

[A-Schwarzenegger]

72. Ha! I saw that one & would say

he's relaxed because he has reached the point where he accepts
that doom is imminent & inevitable & all struggling & resistance
has ceased.

[Voice for Peace]

73. ahhh thanks

I have my own concerns always nagging so I love
good news good attitudes and good facts.

[Glitterati]

10. They really have to send better concern trolls

Some of you guys must have slept through the "don't be obvious" lecture.

[JeffersonLoveChild]

11. I don't believe this...

But are you actually accusing me of being a troll?

I'm tired, so I'll just report your post.

[Glitterati]

19. If the shoe fits.....

[mahina]

27. I liked your post,

for whatever that's worth.

[Voice for Peace]

40. on behalf of people who don't see trolls everywhere

I'm so sorry you're being responded to so rudely.
There's no good reason for it.

But here's probably why: election time brings a lot
of trolls here, people intent on undermining enthusiasm
for Obama, or spreading false information, or just creating
havoc for fun.

Many here are on high alert for what they call "concern
trolling" -- so it's no longer easy to express concern
or fears about the election -- you get jumped on for
concern trolling, even if you are sincerely concerned.

But there are many people here who don't assume
the worst every time a post count is low, or somebody
asks a question. I've got concerns about the election
too but I'm choosing to believe in a good outcome
because I don't like the feeling of anxiety and worry.
Welcome to DU

[Voice for Peace]

48. here you draw attention to your own low post count

and it's curious, are you outing yourself? You
must have slept through the "don't be obvious" lecture.

[JTFrog]

75. +1 n/t

[davidn3600]

18. America IS politically-divided

The Democrats have not gotten more than 53% of the popular vote since LBJ in 1964. Obama got 53% in 2008 even with a historic Democrat turnout. Considering lower enthusiasm this year, it is difficult to claim that he would win any more than that. Most of the polls today have him at or under 50%.

45% of this country will vote for Romney by default. They don't care what he says. They don't care what Obama says. They have made up their mind. If they are not rich, they will vote against their interests anyway. Why? Because Obama supports reproductive rights, and they don't. Obama supports homosexuals, and they don't. Obama supports teaching evolution in schools, and they don't. Obama is not Christian enough for their liking. And the rich won't vote for Obama because they think he's going to take their money away and give it to the 47%.

Now Obama may have a decisive win in the electoral college. But it is conceivable that he might even lose the popular vote. I certainly don't expect a landslide popular vote. Not unless Romney says he likes Hitler or something of that nature.

[mikki35]

20. yup

that's the way I see it. I don't think the OP is a troll either - just worried, like most of us. Its hard to be complacent when you're starting with only 55% that are persuadable, reasonable people AND will reliably turn out to vote. Yes, right now the President is cruising and the polls are looking very very good. I'm happy with that.

[DFW]

21. A couple of observations about your observations

You are right that most media is indeed singing to the choir. ANY Republican candidate will get 42% to 45% of the vote just because they will vote R as if this were the Soviet Union with no other party to vote for. The Soviets had Pravda and Tass, they have Fox "News," the Washington Times and Newsmax. People who only hear one side believe there IS only one side.

However, I see no overconfidence. Where there was worry a few months ago, it was justified. With Romney's stupid mistakes, it IS fair to assume that he has discouraged a number of his voters. Most of them would never give Obama their vote, but can't bring themselves to go vote for someone so inept. A non-voting Republican isn't going to sway the presidential race, but he COULD sway a Senate or House race, especially in States like Wisconsin or, especially, a state like Missouri.

Where there was caution before there is optimism now. I think both are justified. The only sobering consideration we must take into account is that the advantage we currently enjoy is almost entirely due to self-inflicted wounds on the Republican side. Yes, it's the nature of their beast, but it does not mean the Democrats have suddenly discovered the magic formula to make Republican voters like our candidates more. They will be spending a billion dollars to keep things that way.

What we DO have is extremely dedicated ground organizations, like DFA and some smaller ones. Jim and Howard Dean are tireless in their efforts to build up low-key grunt work local organizations in crucial states, and it is paying off. A sympathetic worker to talk to is always better than the most expensive billboard or the slickest TV ad. I contribute a lot to DFA so that these dedicated people have flyers, sandwiches and a roof over their heads.

Yes, 45% of our country would vote Republican if their ticket consisted of Adolf Hitler and Charles Manson. But that other 55%, if strategically placed, will be the ones that call the shots. Our mission, should we decide to accept it, is to make sure that they do. If it looks like we may be successful, well, it just might be because we are. that's not a reason to let down our guard, but I wouldn't say it's a reason to be depressed either.

[DCBob]

38. good response.

I think this "concern" about being over confident is way off target. Optimism breeds enthusiasm which is good for a campaign.

On the flip side if the Romney supporters think this thing is over then you will see donations dry up and no shows at the polls.

[Voice for Peace]

50. I think concern is quite normal, folks, and nobody should be called a troll on that account.

(Not that you did -- but others do, and did in this very thread.)

I get concerned all the time. I love when there are
confident posts with facts and polls from people who
know way more than I do.

I'm choosing not to feed my worries because I hate the
way worry feels, it makes me feel sick.

[DCBob]

52. I agree many on our side have concerns who are not trolls.

I just think they are wrong. This confidence and enthusiasm is great for the Obama campaign and the pessimism and lack of enthusiasm on the right is killing Romney.

[Voice for Peace]

53. yes -- it would be nice to see here, if people post concerns,

rather than ridiculing the person or accusing of being a troll,
DUers would respond with encouraging information and
general enthusiasm.

It takes a little practice, not only to remain hopeful about
the election but to remain hopeful about one another, and
the planet, and ourselves.

[graham4anything]

22. you are mistaken, Obama has taken a major lead, one that cannot be overcome

and the other thing is- the biggest republican powers that be are hoping Mitt and Ryan lose so bad and NOT helping Mitt at all.

That is all the mainstream republicans and the entire Bush family.

because they need the repudiation of the extremists, the haters, the racists, so that Jeb has a clear and open run in 2016 and 2020. And as the past shows, the Bush's are very patient. They can wait another 4 years for Jeb and they know they need Obama to win to make that happen.

A Romney win would allow Ryan more and more power. No, they need Ryan and the teapeople to be big time blamed for the loss and Jeb to say, out with the crazy right, in with the Bush's who know how to win.

Obama won this race.

so I will proverbially slap some cold water on your cheeks and tell you, Obama won. calm down.
Now we all gotta remain together for 2016 and finish the job by electing another democrat and making sure SCOTUS is fully switched over by 2024.(perhaps 8 to 1 by that time)

[brush]

24. Way off

You're way off. Romney has not only alienated half of the voting population (the 47% tape) but also Latino Americans, progressive whites, Asian Americans, women, gays, even working class whites guys are coming around to realize that Richey Rich Romney is not that smart, likes to fire people, or export their jobs, and is not the right guy for the White House. And he is polling 0% of the African American vote. I mean you really have to stink up the joint to get 0% of any population segment. His running mate Lyin Ryan has even moved many senior voters into the President's column with his thinly veiled intentions on Medicare and Social Security. My point is, there are not enough people in Romney's base to overcome all of that. He can keep up his awkward, stilted, gaffe-a-day campaigning all he wants but even repugs are starting to laugh at him and cringe at his mistakes (see the Morning Joe double face palm tape). The rich will be there for him and the low info, uniformed teabaggers but he's lost much support among previously undecided independents because of the 47% tape. It ain't over just yet and we need to keep working hard to get out the vote for the President but the fat lady is beginning to clear her throat.

[orpupilofnature57]

26. Unless everyone is high on heroin or figures

no one actually needs to vote, he's already won .

[33Greeper]

29. GOTV, y'all!!!!

We are in the fight of our lives to defeat the Republican False Christian, Women and Minority hating Corporate Racist Fascist Beast!

[Spitfire of ATJ]

30. In 2008 the Republicans catered to a wide spread, well established base out there....

....of Country Western fans. They had just elected Dubya twice and Republicans had offered up someone with a pretty face and big kachangas who would go out hunting with them. There were rednecks lined up to vote like Sarah was behind that curtain pulling a train. McCain was portrayed as an Arizona "Maverick" with a hot temper who wouldn't put up with bullshit.

The GOP ignored that group of voters this time. They are trying to sell them a rich used car salesman who speaks French and a guy with one of those weird vampire things on his forehead who's dream is to get rid of Social Security and Medicare.

This election will hinge on just how much those voters hate the idea of a black guy in the White House and a LOT of them really don't care about that. They feel abandoned by their party. That's why Romney keeps trying to pander to the Right long after he should have catered to the middle. The typical Republican voter thinks he's a slimeball.

[gkhouston]

31. I like flypaper. n/t

[alcibiades_mystery]

32. Thanks for your concern

Aaaaachootroll.

Gezundheit.

[dmr]

33. You can't believe anything Dick Morris thinks, or has to say.

The GOP is worried that Obama's big lead will keep the right from voting in November.

The job Morris has is to convince their voters not to stay home. He's all about disinformation and illusions.

[LovePeacock]

37. One thing you can count on from the right: they'll always vote.

Fortunately, it still won't be enough for Rmoney to win. Hardcore cons don't make up enough of the country anymore.

[Skee]

34. "Rigged Voting Machines"

Knopfler knows whereof he speaks.

Blackbox central tabulators determine the outcomes of 'elections' in the USA.

That's not real voting.

[DCBob]

35. Then you would have to assume all of the polling firms (exc Rasmussen) are bogus.

yes you are wrong, yes you are overreacting, and yes your are paranoid.

[tavalon]

36. Remember that the media has a vested interest in this being a close race.

If it's not, they lose advertising dollars.

If you want to know if it's a close race, go to one or pretty much any of the polling sites. The information is there for those who wish to see - Obama is surging ahead in almost every close race. So, within 4 weeks, it will be highly unlikely that the media can cover up what is so blatantly obvious.

[greymattermom]

39. what's happening to attendance at these churches?

It seems to me that the missing factor in this equation is the number of people attending these churches. Is that increasing? Decreasing? One near where I live went bankrupt and the building was bought by the school board.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

41. Big Dire Straits fan. I'm always amazed at how much more intelligent people who don't live in this

country are when it comes to our own politics. Amazing! He is so right.

[JTFrog]

43. Onoz!

[greiner3]

45. Thank you Jefferson?oveChild;

For the best laugh I've had in a few days or so.

Your name wouldn't happen to be Sally Hemings?

"...he's Scottish, by the way..."

Dude (will this get me reported also?), WTF has this to do with ANYTHING remotely 'resembling' an argument?


"...they sleep in on Sundays, their conservative counterparts are listening to a Church pastor somewhere down in Nebraska..."

Two points here;

Liberals and Democrats DO NOT go to church (although I for one do not, but I can't speak for the hundred plus million of other named like minded. Also, it seems you live in Nebraska, as evidenced by your referral to the state.

"In my daily online battles..."

So you are another 'Soldier for God?'

I'm not too sure exactly sure what you meant by;

"...The combative spirit I saw from Ed, Chris and the gang in the middle of the year seems to have mellowed a little."

Do you mean that these pundits were battling each other over the race or do you mean they were battling (Rmoney and Mittens)?

"...And he appears to be still holding the lead among independents!"

Ahhh, the Freudian slip; Excitement over a (untrue) statement.

"I could go on, but you get (my)...drift."

[Jennicut]

46. The polls in the last election were actually extremely accurate.

People moaned about the Bradley effect and it never happened. Or that it would be stolen. It was not close enough.

I don't get people that expect Obama to have a 20 point lead or even 10 point lead. He did not even have that at this point in 2008. Obama has a 4 point lead in the average of the popular vote polling. He is ahead in VA, OH, FL, PA, MI, CO, IA, etc. Romney cannot win without having a lead in the electoral votes. He currently does not. Unless you believe in unskewedpolls.com.

I understand your fear but if it is not close enough like in 2008 then it will not be close enough to steal. You need to have a vote so close that a few thousand or hundred votes can be switched. And the polls in 2000 were much closer then these polls in 2012. It just wouldn't pass the BS test.

And privately, Repubs are admitting Romney is behind and he is blowing it. Their internal polls for Ohio were bad. They admitted that already behind the scenes.

GOTV and work hard to get Dems elected but demoralization can have hurt Dems just as much or even more then overconfidence can. The idiots will always vote against their interests and believe in nutty things. You can't change them, just do your part to try and win over reasonable people.

[jillan]

51. Mitt's numbers ARE dropping in the electoral college. The electoral college is the deciding factor

in Presidential elections.

President Obama's electoral numbers keep going up and Mitwit's keeps going down.

[RainbowUnicorn]

54. Since when are "online battles" a good measuring stick of anything in the real world?

This is as ludicrous as assuming everyone uses an I-phone or something. A hand full of people that troll the comments sections of blogs don't represent a good portion of the electorate.

[k2qb3]

55. Don't get cocky, GOTV, but...

The reason unskewed polls is getting any traction is because the underlying trends these polls are showing for party affiliation and approval are horrific for republicans. They refuse to believe it because if they're true (and they are) the GOP is collapsing (and it is).

Everything you're concerned about regarding the FOX/Tea/birther crowd is correct, but they aren't 47% of the electorate, it's more like 30% and they have no appeal to the middle. They're dead-enders, and when Obama governs from the middle for another term they'll collapse entirely.

D turnout will be fine if we work at it, Romney is a gift in that regard, he's doing a wonderful job of alienating people.

[RainbowUnicorn]

57. You're jumping to conclusions.

Romney is a terrible candidate. The guy that posted about Bush being likable was correct. That's the biggest difference, that and no one on the Bush team wanted to destroy Medicare I think. People are getting a bit cocky and full of their selves here. It was only two years ago we lost the midterm elections.

[Lex]

56. You're WRONG!

"Tell me I'm wrong, someone."

Well, you are.

[FrenchieCat]

59. You concerns should lead you to GOTV big time.......as well as telling other folks to do the same...

you can use this if you'd like:

&feature=player_embedded

[renie408]

61. I've been concerned for 18 years. That hasn't really been working out for me.

So I have decided to switch to confident. Because whether I wring my hands in a dark corner or stand up with a fist pump and shout "FUCK YEAH!!", what's going to happen is going to happen.

And I actually kind of think confidence is attractive and people like to be on a winning team. Looking like you are going to win HELPS you win elections. Everybody wants to feel like they voted for the winner, to the extent that they will change and vote for someone they think might win when it comes right down to it.

Why is it EVERYBODY thinks Democrats are stupid? The GOP thinks we are stupid and half the Democrats think we are stupid..."Just because we are up in the polls, don't forget to be filled with angst. If our angst level drops, everybody will stay home and give the election away."

Jeez. We will win. Or we will lose. Whinging isn't really going to help that out.

[treestar]

66. I don't even get what he's saying

the polls are conducted scientifically. Washed up has beens of the rock industry world are not those I look to to figure out who's in the lead. Even Gallup can do a better job.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

74. Republicans will vote for a post in the ground if it has a Republican label

are you surprised?

[patrice]

76. You are wrong. The Left hates the President. Mark. my. words. Obama is NO Leftie dream. nt

[patrice]

77. Only someone who isn't really Liberal themselves could think Obama is a Leftie in any way other

than handedness.

[MjolnirTime]

78. Yes, Obama leads. Knopfler needs to stick to guitar. Let Bob Dylan do the thinking.

[geek tragedy]

79. He was in the lead, until his debate strategy of mumbling and stumbling

somehow failed him.