The question to ask yourself regarding the email brouhaha

[Fumesucker]

How would I feel about this if it were a Republican SoS who had top secret information on an unsecured private server in their bathroom?

[roguevalley]

1. agreed. Prosecute powell is she is.

[thereismore]

2. Remember when Rove outed a secret agent? He did not get indicted and neither will

Hillary. That does not mean they were not guilty of breaking the law.

[Yupster]

99. I thought the result of the investigation was that

Assistant Secretary of State Richard Armitage turned out to be Novak's source.

Libby was indicted for perjury and obstruction of justice. The perjury was telling the special prosecutor that he thought he learned of the info from Tim Russert while Russert denied ever telling him that. The obstruction of justice was refusing to tell the prosecutor something which has always been a question mark. Was he trying to cover for Cheney?

To me the biggest villain in the whole affair was Secretary of State Powell.

In October 2003 Armitage told his boss Powell that he was Novak's source for the story. Armitage was then told not to tell anyone by the special prosecutor. There was a famous photo op a few weeks later where the press asked Bush about the leaker. He said he wanted to know himself and urged all his aides to cooperate. In that room there was probably only one man who knew who the leaker was and that was Colin Powell who was told by the leaker himself a few weeks earlier.

Powell said nothing.

For the next two years dozens of government officials were dragged before the grand jury and soaked of tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal fees. Meanwhile Armitage told the special prosecutor he was the one. Woodward had him on tape telling him too. Powell knew about it and said nothing, and a whole lot of people who didn't know anything got hurt.

[needledriver]

3. I don't care.

Anybody who is waving this flag is wasting my time.

[guillaumeb]

4. But that is different Fumesucker!!!!

Democrats must unite behind the anointed one.

[VulgarPoet]

7. Or y'know be pronounced heretics and all.

I anticipate a massive shearing of the Democratic party after November as it is. Iconoclasm, ho!

[Metric System]

5. Colin Powell.

[Fumesucker]

6. Had top secret documents on a private unsecured server?

Do you have a link for that?

[joshcryer]

11. Powell used two email accounts.

[askew]

20. Colin Powell did not exclusively use a personal email account.

He also did not have a non-secure server in his house that he failed to tell DHS about. He also did not have his top aides use private email addresses on that same server like Hillary did. He also did not use a device for handling government work that was expressly forbidden like Hillary did.

What Hillary did was much, much worse than what Powell did.

[Jenny_92808]

70. askew, you are mistaken.

It was not forbidden.

[askew]

95. It was in direct violation of President Obama's explicit directive to use government email only

She also failed to follow other regs regarding this server - alerting DHS. She also used an iPad against IT security protocol.

[uponit7771]

30. +1, but they don't hate him as much

[jeff47]

48. ...didn't do the same thing.

Or at least, no one has provided any evidence he had classified in his other email account. He also turned over the emails when he left State, unlike Clinton.

[earthside]

52. Is he running for President?

If Powell wants to be commander-in-chief, then by all means let's go after him, too.

[frylock]

87. What did he do?

Colin Powell said he had two computers for sending emails as secretary of state

WASHINGTON, Sept. 7 (UPI) -- Former Secretary of State Colin Powell said he kept two computers to send and receive emails while he was in the position.

During on an appearance on NBC's Meet the Press on Sunday, Powell said he used one computer for sending sensitive material and a second for less important communications.

"I had a secure State Department machine for secure material and I had a laptop that I could use for email. I would email relatives, friends, but I would also email in the department," he said.

<more>

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2015/09/07/Colin-Powell-said-he-had-two-computers-for-sending-emails-as-secretary-of-state/2481441631695/

[Gidney N Cloyd]

9. I still can't seem to work up a lather about this stuff.

[Warren DeMontague]

10. And they were setting themselves as an expert on tech matters like encryption

To the point of calling for a "manhattan project" to make sure the government can break into everyone's iPhone?




Hmmm.

[VulgarPoet]

45. Because the PATRIOT Act is useless if you use AES encryption!

...and we can't have that, can we?

[Warren DeMontague]

57. Look at how useful the Patriot Act has been in fighting terror!

Okay, fine, maybe not fighting terror per se, but certainly vital in our quest to put people in prison for smoking pot.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2014/10/29/surprise-controversial-patriot-act-power-now-overwhelmingly-used-in-drug-investigations/

[joshcryer]

12. I know why she did it.

And it doesn't bother me in the least. 30+ years of fake scandals and not one of them true. She did it for control over her content.

If it was legal for her to have the server I don't see the problem.

[Fumesucker]

13. Why not answer the question?

[joshcryer]

15. If it was legal to have the server I don't see a problem.

Does that not give you an answer?

[Fumesucker]

18. You would assume that a Republican was doing it for benign purposes?

[joshcryer]

21. Yes.

If I was an elected official and I could have my own private server I would insist. And I would not fault or assume the worst of one who did either.

[Fumesucker]

22. Your naivete says you are a good person

[joshcryer]

25. Self reporting is how it works.

Believe it or not. FOIA request? Your team has to provide it. Ironically, Jeb DID do a full data dump, and it contained sensitive info about residents, so yeah. It is what it is.

[Yurovsky]

107. Maybe you & Hillary could share a jail cell...

junior military personnel get tossed in the brig, stripped of rank and pay, for simple unintentional mishandling of classified material. I'm not saying I agree with how they are punished, but why should Hillary get special treatment? What's good for the goose...

Patreus was ruined over stupid handling of classified material. Hillary willfully - even after the Obama administration requested she not - maintained the illicit home server, most likely so she and Bill could shake down corporations and foreign governments for their slush fund, and keep it off the government servers.

Hillary and Bill obviously care far more about getting rich than helping the poor and working class. That is why Sen. Bernie Sanders MUST be the Democratic Party nominee, and subsequently the 45th President of the United States. Fuck incrementalism. Fuck corporate greed. Fuck the party brass who want to force us to rubber-stamp the choice of fat cat donors, Wall Street and the mega-banks.

Vote Bernie. I'm tired of being lied to, and I'm sick and tired of the Clintons.

[askew]

16. Well, she used an iPad for government emails which was in direct violation of State's IT

Regulations. She was expressly told in emails that she could not use Apple products because they were not secure enough and used them anyway. She also was required to report her server to DHS and failed to do so.

So, I have a hard time saying what she did was acceptable. She definitely violated multiple guidelines that were put in place to keep our government's information secure.

[joshcryer]

19. Do you have a link for that?

[askew]

26. Here's link saying Hillary used both.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/03/31/hilary-clinton-email/70708314/

I can't find the link for the email about the iPad's not being allowed. I think it was from Cheryl Mills or Huma's emails and not Hillary's.

[jeff47]

49. It wasn't legal.

First, it was not legal for her to keep classified on the server.

Second, she was required to turn over all work emails to State when she stepped down. She did not. The existence of the server was only revealed due to a FOIA lawsuit after other emails had "@clintonemail.com" in them.

[joshcryer]

101. Can you link a legal analysis?

That doesn't originate from a conservative source, ideally.

[jeff47]

106. Do you need a legal analysis that murder is illegal?

Tell ya what. You link a legal analysis that shows no possible crime occurred here first.

[840high]

93. 30+ years of scandals.

[joshcryer]

100. Fake scandals.

[leveymg]

102. Who said it was legal for her to host classified documents on her private server?

Where did you get that notion?

[joshcryer]

104. If the classification was retroactive I don't see a problem.

[leveymg]

108. The 27 TS and TS/SAP documents originated with another agency and they were stamped

before DOS subordinates stripped information out of them and sent that classified material to Madam Secretary's email box. She admits instructing her aide to do just that on at least one occasion.

There's a problem, Josh.

[joshcryer]

111. Link?

[leveymg]

112. I'm on my cell phone. Tomorrow.

[joshcryer]

113. So am I, which is why I asked.

I'll look it up when I get online. I saw your post about her ability to classify. My suspicion is that it's nothing because if it was something they'd have her by now. They've been looking for something on the Clinton's forever.

[leveymg]

119. Here are the links I promised

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/state-department-releases-more-clinton-emails-several-marked-classified/

In email, Hillary Clinton tells aide to send talking points "nonsecure"

Comment Share Tweet Stumble Email

Last Updated Jan 8, 2016 11:47 PM EST

To comply with a court-ordered goal, the State Department made public about 3,000 pages of emails from Hillary Clinton's private server early Friday morning, including 66 messages that were later marked "classified" on some level.

On the campaign trail, the presidential candidate has insisted that no classified information was sent or received through her private email server.

But in one email exchange between Clinton and staffer Jake Sullivan from June 17, 2011, the then-secretary advised her aide on sending a set of talking points by email when he had trouble sending them through secure means.

Part of the exchange is redacted, so the context of the emails is unknown, but at one point, Sullivan tells Clinton that aides "say they've had issues sending secure fax. They're working on it."


VIDEO
Clinton: " I did not email any classified material"

Clinton responds, "If they can't, turn into nonpaper w no identifying heading and send nonsecure."

It's unclear whether the talking points themselves contained classified information. Typically, talking points are used for unclassified purposes (e.g. speaking with the media). But in some cases, the material contained in such memos may still be sensitive -- especially if the report originates from intelligence agencies.

On Friday, the Clinton campaign's press secretary, Brian Fallon, denied that the information was classified.

"It is false that Hillary Clinton asked for classified material to be sent over a nonsecure system," Fallon told CBS News' Nancy Cordes.

NBC News:"Clinton's emails contained information classified Top Secret/Special Access Program"

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/hillary-clinton-emails-contained-info-above-top-secret-ig-n499886
Hillary Clinton Emails Held Info Beyond Top Secret: IG

by Ken Dilanian

Emails from Hillary Clinton's home server contained information classified at levels higher than previously known, including a level meant to protect some of the most sensitive U.S. intelligence, according to a document obtained by NBC News.

In a letter to lawmakers, the intelligence community's internal watchdog says some of Clinton's emails contained information classified Top Secret/Special Access Program, a secrecy designation that includes some of the most closely held U.S. intelligence matters.

[askew]

14. There is video of Hillary ripping on W's WH for using private email servers for government work

So, in addition to exercising poor judgment she is also a hypocrite.

Personally, I was appalled when W did it and I am appalled now. It shows a lack of judgment and a willingness to put herself above the law. Neither one of these are what we need in a president.

[joshcryer]

17. Bush's incompetence deleted 100k+ emails.

So you know how many front page articles it got? Headline news? How many hours of coverage? Investigations by the FBI?

[askew]

29. I don't care. It was wrong when W did it. It's wrong when Hillary did it.

I am not going to turn a blind eye to Hillary's poor judgment and possible illegal activity just because she is a Dem. And trying to say that's it is ok because W did it too just isn't going to fly with anyone who is not a Hillary diehard.

[Autumn]

38. Zip, ziltch, nada, But we all know that's exactly how the republicans and the media work

Hillary should have known that and not given them ammunition.

[joshcryer]

40. Ooh I'm sure she's kicking herself.

Couldn't be bothered to have two blackberries. Really.

What's pathetic is because it's Clinton people would still want the contents of her private email even if she used two like Powell did. There is never ever ever enough to placate the faux scandal machine.

[Fumesucker]

89. How many times do you suppose she has "kicked herself"?

I bet she was kicking the shit out of herself over her IWR vote in 2008.

Poor Bill.

[Loudestlib]

74. .

There's a slogan "Hillary, no different than Republicans."

[Autumn]

23. I along with every democrat on this site would be furious.

[Uncle Joe]

24. That they were running a shadow government.

Thanks for the thread, Fumesucker.

[sadoldgirl]

27. I was furious at the time that W&Co got away with it!

But perhaps this whole issue explains all the
attacks on Bernie yesterday. I wondered
what was up.

[uponit7771]

28. Colin Powel... etc

[jeff47]

50. ...didn't have classified in his email, and didn't hide his email from FOIA. (nt)

[uponit7771]

56. Link and quote to not having any classified emails, also weren't those emails marked classified ...

... after the fact?

If so this is the sophistry that has people supporting HRC ignoring this crap as noise

[jeff47]

71. You want me to link to the lack of stories about classified in his email?

Take a moment to think about your request. It's very similar to demanding links to a meteor not striking Cleveland today.

also weren't those emails marked classified after the fact?

Information is classified whether or not it is marked. This is drilled into everyone who gets access to classified. It's a large chunk of the training time.

And this has been explained to you, by me, at least three times now.

Also, you are using the same defense Karl Rove used for outing Plame. Was it acceptable when Rove did that?

Finally, you completely forgot about the FOIA problems - she was required by law to turn over her work-related emails when she stepped down. She did not. She only turned over the emails after a FOIA lawsuit compelled her.

[frylock]

91. link..

Colin Powell said he had two computers for sending emails as secretary of state

WASHINGTON, Sept. 7 (UPI) -- Former Secretary of State Colin Powell said he kept two computers to send and receive emails while he was in the position.

During on an appearance on NBC's Meet the Press on Sunday, Powell said he used one computer for sending sensitive material and a second for less important communications.

"I had a secure State Department machine for secure material and I had a laptop that I could use for email. I would email relatives, friends, but I would also email in the department," he said.

<more>

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2015/09/07/Colin-Powell-said-he-had-two-computers-for-sending-emails-as-secretary-of-state/2481441631695/

[uponit7771]

103. thx

[arcane1]

31. When the Bush Administration was caught using RNC email, DU unanimously opposed it on principle.

I still oppose the practice on principle, regardless of the content of the emails themselves.

And I oppose it for the same reason DU unanimously opposed it when Bush was doing it: It displays a sneakiness and secrecy that is unsuitable for, and disrespectful to, public service.

[randys1]

32. A repub did do it and nobody even noticed.

I wish some folks around here would admit they just want the email deal to destroy Hillary, plain and simple

Doesnt matter if it wasnt really an issue until the cons made it one

[jeff47]

51. Better tell Scooter Libby he was never put on trial. (nt)

[99Forever]

33. The only issue I really have with this.

Is that it is an issue at all. A completely unforced error that ANYONE with even a minimum of mediocre judgement could have foreseen and avoided. Apparently, arrogance trumps even a minimum of mediocre judgement.

And this person wants me to help vote her into the most powerful job on the planet?


Not bloody likely.

[840high]

117. There will be no help from me.

[frazzled]

34. Are you all playing dumb for effect

or are you really uninformed about this story?

The State Department said it had “upgraded” the classification of the emails at the request of the nation’s intelligence agencies. Mr. Kirby said that none of the emails had been marked at any level of classification at the time they were sent through Mrs. Clinton’s computer server, which she kept in her home.

...

It was not clear whether those emails were written by Mrs. Clinton or, as has been more often the case with the thousands of emails released so far, were messages written by other State Department officials and forwarded by her closest aides.

Officials at the State Department have said that the “upgrading” of the classification of Mrs. Clinton’s emails has been routine. Mr. Kirby said on Friday that the classification review was “focused on whether they need to be classified today.”

...

“We understand that these emails were likely originated on the State Department’s unclassified system before they were ever shared with Secretary Clinton, and they have remained on the department’s unclassified system for years,” Mr. Fallon said.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/30/us/politics/22-clinton-emails-deemed-too-classified-to-be-made-public.html?hpw&rref=politics&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=well-region&region=bottom-well&WT.nav=bottom-well

[Fumesucker]

36. I asked a question in the OP

Would you care to answer it?

Or are insults all you have?

[frazzled]

37. No, the facts are all I have.

You were not asking a question, you were starting a flame war.

[Fumesucker]

39. You're going to have to connect the dots a bit for me on that...

Explain it to me like I'm six rather than sixtysomething.

[shadowrider]

55. Let me repost the OP. I"ll even colorize the question, and put it in bold

[font color = red]How would I feel about this if it were a Republican SoS who had top secret information on an unsecured private server in their bathroom?[/font color]

There is the question that was asked. I have no dog in this fight, all I'm saying is, a question was asked, now you deny a question was asked.

[jfern]

43. Hillary was trained to mark classified information classified

Having it unmarked is no excuse

[jeff47]

46. That was Karl Rove's defense when he outed Plame.

Was that acceptable then?

No markings does not mean it was not classified. As is stressed repeatedly in the training you receive when you get access to classified information.

[OrwellwasRight]

53. Please explain how one marks an email as "classified" on gmail? nt.

[frazzled]

59. The classification was done by the State Department at the request of

the Intelligence Agencies well after those emails were sent. Furthermore, though it is not yet determined, it is likely that those emails were sent to, not from, Clinton's email.

The article from the Times at the link is quite clear. There really is no story here. The emails were not classified at all at the time of their sending or receipt.

I know you'd like to turn this into Benghazi, but it will amount to nothing, just as that did.

[OrwellwasRight]

60. That is my point.

You can't "classify" private emails, so of course the classification is after the fact. You are claiming a smoking gun where there is none. ALL of the emails classifications are after the fact, which doesn't make them wrong. It makes the Sec. State someone who used poor judgement for not using the state.gov email she was assigned.

And, not this is not remotely like Benghazi, thank you. Peddle that shit elsewhere.

[frazzled]

61. Jeebus, they weren't "private"

These were emails cc'd to the Secretary of State on official business.

[OrwellwasRight]

62. They were "private"

in that they weren't sent on a government server.

gmail.com emails are private. state.gov emails are government.

So how do you note on your gmail account that you are sending "classified" information? Please explain as I am keen to learn.

[frazzled]

64. When all else fails

I'm sorry you're having problems understanding things.

[OrwellwasRight]

67. OK, I get it.

You can't answer the question. So you change the subject. OK, I'm game.

[frylock]

92. C'mon, you like cats!

Can you believe what has become of this place?!

[OrwellwasRight]

94. No, I can't.

Primary season is always bad, but this is ridiculous. I've been here a lot over the past week and the vitriol is disgusting. OTOH, I think I sense a clear majority for Bernie & progressive values. That's somewhat heartening.

I also barely recognize anyone from the old days except for you, Lynnesin, and California Peggy.

And yes, cats!!!

[jeff47]

81. No.

The information was already classified. The emails were not properly marked with classification markings. State is now adding the appropriate classification markings.

The lack of markings does not mean the information was not classified. This is drilled into everyone who is granted access to classified information. Also, this was Karl Rove's defense for outing Plame. Was that acceptable?

Furthermore, though it is not yet determined, it is likely that those emails were sent to, not from, Clinton's email.

This doesn't actually help much. Clinton was required to 1) Report that she had received classified information, 2) assist in the investigation of the leak, and 3) properly delete the information from the unclassified system. She did not do any of this.

The article from the Times at the link is quite clear....The emails were not classified at all at the time of their sending or receipt.

Read the article again. The emails were not marked classified. Not marked classified is not the same as not being classified. But there's lots and lots of Clinton people attempting to conflate the two.

[leveymg]

105. The classified materials were originally from DIA and CIA. She ran the server as the

channel of communications to and from the outside world. She knew the server was not secure but continued to operate it. She is responsible for exposing any classified or sensitive information to easy interception. That was a violation of felony statute.

[jeff47]

77. Here ya go:

http://www.dtic.mil/whs/directives/corres/pdf/520001_vol2.pdf

First, you put a classification marking in front of the subject. This indicates if the subject itself is classified. Then you put a classification marking after the subject, which indicates the overall classification of the email.

Then you start the email with the appropriate overall classification marking. You begin each paragraph of the email with the appropriate classification marking. Then you end the email with the appropriate classification marking.

For example:

To: you
From: me
Subject: (U) The information you requested (S)
Body:
SECRET

(U) Here is the information you requested.

(S) The secret information goes here.

(U) Looking forward to meeting you for lunch on Tuesday.

SECRET

[OrwellwasRight]

82. Thank you.

It seems hard to get straight answers about this issue as many people just want to "take sides" instead. I don't think the answers are that simple.

[uponit7771]

58. +1, I don't know what they're trying with this crap !!! It turns into noise because its so easily

... ignored by her supporters as more sophistry.

[dorkzilla]

78. Sophistry...you keep using that word...

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

35. But..but..she was only the Secretary of State and wouldn't know what classified means.

That's for the underlings to take the responsibility..er...blame..for.

[AtomicKitten]

41. This is a real test for the White House.

Will they exercise lawful due diligence or be good 'ol boys. Watch this space.

[840high]

118. Yes - I've been

thinking about that for a while.

[Separation]

42. You're close but not the right question

So the question now is, when these classified email were actually classified. My question would be, seeing how she treated these emails as unclassified, would she have be fine with any of these email being shown on the front page of any news paper at the time of them being sent. I guess that is more of a question to her competence though, and shows clearly why she should never sit in the White House.

[Fumesucker]

47. Sounds like an OP to me..

Make it so.

[jeff47]

44. Better question: How did you feel when Karl Rove did the same thing

with Valarie Plame's information?

[OrwellwasRight]

54. All government employees should use

government emails for ALL government work. No exceptions for anyone, no matter how "special" they think they are.

[Duval]

63. I would be furious!

[DCBob]

65. If a Republican did it I would assume something nefarious.

With Hillary I believe it was simply about control.

[tomm2thumbs]

66. A Question of Judgment

more importantly, the lack thereof

[shadowmayor]

68. What about Candy Rice?

Condoleeeezzzzzaa was also SoS and her name never pops up in these discussions. Why?

What you know today can affect what you do tomorrow. But what you know today cannot affect what you did yesterday.
Condoleezza Rice

Said by the woman who called lil' Bush her "husband"

[Fumesucker]

75. Candy?

[pnwmom]

69. How would you feel if, after President Bernie Sanders leaves office,

his political enemies go through his .gov emails, and decide that they should be retroactively classified so he can be prosecuted for mishandling classified info?

[Fumesucker]

72. Your question assumes Sanders is as foolish as Clinton

The record shows that not to be the case, for one thing Sanders voted and spoke against the worst foreign policy disaster in American history while Clinton voted and spoke for it.

[winter is coming]

115. Which political enemies does Hillary have who can retroactively classify emails?

When and how did they get access to the stuff on Clinton's server? I thought it was secure.

[Jenny_92808]

73. People are sick and tired about

her emails. I don't give a rip about them.

[Fumesucker]

79. Reading is fundamental, that wasn't the question

I'll put you down as having no problem with Republicans doing government business on their own insecure servers.

Good to know how much you trust Republicans.

[marlakay]

76. Were they top secret when she got them?

And did she know it? Thats what i would ask of anyone.

I am not a Hillary fan but if she got some emails that were not considered top secret then later were, what can she do about that? Other than delete them if told. If not told nothing she could do.

Personally though not a good idea to have your own work emails, does not let you cover your ass in case of stuff like this.

She should have known some senstive stuff would be sent and she did know she would be running for pres again. To me it just shows she is not careful enough. She doesnt think ahead like Bernie with Iraq vote.

[Fumesucker]

80. No problem with Republicans doing government business with no oversight?

[jeff47]

116. Yes to the first question

As for the second, if she really thinks something TS/SCI or in a SAP is unclassified, she's really, really unqualified to be president.

If we had the same classification system in the 1940s, the D-day invasion plans would be TS/SCI. The Manhattan Project would be a SAP.

I am not a Hillary fan but if she got some emails that were not considered top secret then later were, what can she do about that? Other than delete them if told. If not told nothing she could do.

You first report them, then you help with any investigation, then you delete them properly, so that they can not be recovered later.

[lovemydog]

83. It wouldn't make much difference to me - I'd look at their policies.

I guess I'd consider it an error in judgement. And I'd forgive them for not being too adept at technology. I'd let the investigations or non/investigations run their course. And I'd figure that the US has myriad ways to protect itself from harm.

So, it would go back to whether the person recognized that it was an error, and then move on to policy matters. Like, who is or is not qualified to be president and commander in chief. Each current candidate has major strengths and flaws as well.

On the republican side I certainly don't want a republican president with a republican Congress. In fact that causes me great concern. And I would vote for O'Malley, Clinton or Sanders over any of the republican candidates.

[Fumesucker]

84. Your naivete says good things about your character

[lovemydog]

97. Haha! No one in real life

calls me naive. Hardly. But I guess I'll take the compliment Fumesucker. Hope you enjoy a great weekend.

[Festivito]

85. Disingenuous false-information-implying question. HRC's was secure, even MORE secure.

The government servers were more prone to viruses because more account users on same server would be more prone to individuals opening infected documents infecting the whole server.

I understand that Hillary's had the same protections in place as did the government servers. NOT "unsecured" as your question suggests.

The most sane review from DU:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511091962

Had Republicans had what you suggest, that would not be good.

Had Republicans had what Hillary had, that would be fine by me and as important as whether or not they wore an American flag on their lapel, i.e. not important at all.

[Fumesucker]

86. Your naivete says you are a good person

[Festivito]

98. A passive aggressive ad hominem attack. Droll. Address posts, not persons.

[salib]

88. This is such b.s.

As Bernie pointed out.

[Fumesucker]

90. I'll put you down as OK with Republicans doing govt business on private servers then

[salib]

96. Bernie too?

I guess that is good company under your bus.

[in_cog_ni_to]

109. Hill supporters would love it,

obviously. Unless they're hypocrites.

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

[senz]

110. I don't think I'd want any men using that bathroom.

[Fumesucker]

114. Not without a wide stance anyway