2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHillary Clinton is running a poor primary campaign
She's vacillating between playing the role of bullied victim. (Bernie is running the most negative campaign evah!) and tough champion. There's something formulaic and tired and so late nineties about her campaign. And arrogant. This does not bode well for the general.
livetohike
(22,142 posts)He's consistent, I'll give him that , but to think he is something new is a joke.
reformist2
(9,841 posts)Fearless
(18,421 posts)SheenaR
(2,052 posts)They have run one of the most effective campaigns in modern history. Not even Obama trailed by 60 points. 60 freaking points and have made this a race and have never gone off of the issues they champion. This is something new. Because nobody has blown a lead of this proportion when all they had to do was show up and not screw up.
farleftlib
(2,125 posts)Oh noes. He'll take away your health insurance!!1!
It is formulaic, hopefully it'll be a losing formula like it was in 2008.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)To be where she is at after decades of conservative lies, opposition from the right wing media, and an opponent who up until two weeks ago hadn't been vetted at all; I would say she has been running a great campaign. I'm very optimistic going into Iowa. We will keep fighting to beat back conservatives.
Vinca
(50,269 posts)SheenaR
(2,052 posts)I don't think internally even Clinton people would say they have run a "great" campaign (My opinion). You don't blow a 60 point lead if you are doing that great. You aren't running against the conservatives right now. So perhaps the lack of focus on the actual opponent by you and her campaign has allowed the weekend to even have meaning.
(Cue one like retort with "n/t" at the end per the NCTraveler handbook of responses)
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)I'm not sure how that is relevant in any way. Anyone paying even the slightest bit of attention to politics understand what that metric means. If you want to use that metric, I don't see how you seen going in up by fifteen is bad for her.
Out of my last eighteen replies, two stopped at the end of the subject line with nt. Why even try to make it personal? Why would such a ratio concern you to the point of comment?
Recursion
(56,582 posts)oasis
(49,382 posts)Her exchanges with everyday working class citizens in modest surroundings seems to be the strategy that's working.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!
Broward
(1,976 posts)Among other things, she would depress turnout on the Left. Also, if she's up against Trump, he would pound her mercilessly on her TPP support and her vote for the Iraq War.
cali
(114,904 posts)SDJay
(1,089 posts)Benghazi!!! and all of the crappola from Bill Clinton's administration no matter how utterly untrue any of it was/is. It would be absolutely relentless. It would depress not only the vote on the left but also the middle and simultaneously motivate the hell out of the right to come out and "take down the Clinton machine" before it' TOO LATE and MURICA!
And that's just Trump. Wait until the Super PACs get involved.
It would not be good at all. She'd be playing defense - and likely doing so clumsily - from start to finish.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)The Democrats won't touch it.
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)She's certainly had some slip ups in projecting roles.
I recognize that the following is a rationale which is to say my opinion/perception...an attempt to make sense of the bits and pieces I know of her life and my ability/desire to make those sensible within my understanding of human behavior.
With that caveat, I'm of the opinion that she moves between channeling a handful of public personas/schema that are worn somewhat like clothing/uniforms and which keep the 'real Hillary' from public view and are associated with the 'task' she's working on.
One is a Gloria Steinem-like personality pushing to liberate women from second class roles, and the other is Maggie Thatcher-like pushing for individual and national gravitas and toughness. She tends to overplay both. In between, when she's attempting to connect as a 'real person' and bond with the people. This is often characterized by a 'me, too' type commentary on the most obvious public sentiments around the news stream as seen by personalities on 'The View'.
Am I getting this correctly? Maybe not. But we are told by various sources that the public HRC and the private HRC are different. And, many people do these things, which gives it a place on the table for consideration.
I don't mean to say HRC is flawed or unusual because she approaches life this way. We all know people who do this, we could be some of that 'many' who also do this.
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)She's not going to make it to the General.
jillan
(39,451 posts)marmar
(77,080 posts)....... the sense of entitlement coming out of Camp Clinton is mind-boggling. They've learned very little from 2008 apparently.
treestar
(82,383 posts)so if you think it is poor, that is not affecting most Democrats.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Not to mention a mastery of CYA when confronted with her baggage.