It's important for Bernie to win IA

[Renew Deal]

It's important for Bernie to win IA for one big reason. The race needs to be kept alive as an insurance policy. Some prominent sources are saying that if Bernie loses IA, it's likely over. Even only extending it to March 1 is important.

Why? Two reasons...

1. Because if there really is something screwy in Hillary's email, we need to buy time and have a replacement ready.
2. Because she channeled Kanye and Tay Tay with her comments that universal health-care will "never ever" happen. The Democratic Party needs to understand that there is real support for universal care.

#1 is a practical reason. But #2 has me annoyed. I understand that it's unlikely we'll get Medicare for all or something like that soon, but the "nevah evah" stuff is bullshit. Universal Healthcare should be the ultimate goal for all Democrats and left-minded people. Healthcare like police, fire, etc. is a right; and the for-profit model in the US is a scam.

What happens if the race is extended? Either Hillary does what Romney 2012 did and eventually vanquishes her lesser foes or her flaws are exposed and she is replaced. I can live with that. Of course, there is a nightmare scenario where her flaws are exposed and she's not replaced. Can't worry about that one right now.

[Punkingal]

1. Won't need to replace her...we have Bernie. She can just drop out.

[JudyM]

2. Not likely.

[Renew Deal]

3. I wouldn't count on that happening

And I'm using replaced as a general term. He is a possible replacement.

[FloridaBlues]

6. Don't count on it. Bernie on the other hand late March the latest

[NanceGreggs]

4. Perhaps you don't understand the distinction ...

... between saying Bernie's plan for universal healthcare will never, ever happen and saying that universal healthcare will never happen.

Hillary said the former, not the latter.

I hope you're not deliberately ignoring that distinction in order to mislead anyone as to what was actually said.

[Renew Deal]

5. "Some theoretical debate about some better idea that will never, ever come to pass"

There is no distinction. And "never ever" implies eternity.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1091772

[NanceGreggs]

7. From your link:

"Hillary Clinton on Friday cast Bernie Sanders' plan for single-payer health insurance as an "idea that will never, ever come to pass."

The swipe builds on Clinton's repeated rhetoric against the Vermont senator's proposed single-payer, Medicare-for-all health care plan that he proposed earlier this month."

The "theoretical debate about some better idea that will never, ever come to pass" is about Bernie's plan, which is the topic she is discussing here.

[Renew Deal]

8. The bolded parts were written by CNN, not spoken by Hillary.

[NanceGreggs]

9. I know that.

You provided a link - I commented on its content.

Fact remains that Hillary is specifically dismissing Bernie's plan for universal healthcare and the fact his plan will never pass.

Trying to turn that into "she said universal healthcare will never pass" is - well, I'll just call it silly, and leave it at that.

[JimDandy]

10. Actually she was speaking about the idea of single-payer. Her exact words:

Hillary Clinton: "People who have health emergencies can't wait for us to have a theoretical debate about some better idea that will never, ever come to pass."

[NanceGreggs]

12. No, she clearly wasn't.

But hey, you're free to believe what you want to believe.

[JimDandy]

13. I think I'll believe her actually words, rather than your interpretation of them.

[NanceGreggs]

14. I have no doubt ...

... that they will believe what they want to believe.

[murielm99]

11. Give it up.

They are never going to open their ears and eyes. They only want to argue with you, no matter what their eyes and ears show them.

And if Bernie makes a mistake, it is Hillary's fault.

[AZ Progressive]

15. The Revolution will not be stopped by the opinions of pundits and other so called experts

[Renew Deal]

17. I agree, but I don't think Sanders will be the ultimate leader of it

Sanders is a 1.0 candidate. His candidacy is important because it will light the spark. The promise of his candidacy will be fulfilled in 2020 or 2024 by someone else. That's why Sanders supporters shouldn't get depressed when he loses. He never really had a chance and it's about the long game.

[Recursion]

16. She absolutely did not say universal health care will never happen, and the lazy thinking about this

has me really annoyed.

She said Sanders's poorly-thought-out single payer plan will never happen, which is true. We absolutely won't get universal health care from people who can't even be bothered to recognize that you can't have a negative amount of spending on pharmaceuticals.

But,

1. There are single payer plans out there that are actually mathematically possible, and

2. There are universal health care systems out there (the vast majority of them, in fact) that are not single payer to begin with

[ljm2002]

18. Please provide a link...

...where Hillary said that "Sanders's poorly-thought-out single payer plan will never happen".

Thanks.