So to some Hillary supporters, Bernie is only selling "snake oil"..

[tokenlib]

So his message of the system being rigged, of the dangers of oligarchy, of the importance of living wage jobs for the masses, etc etc...it's all snake oil. We should be scared of his foreign policy..because sometimes he alters the subject to economics. Well guess what, a lot of our foreign policy issues are coming about because of the influence of multinational corporations and the military industrial complex... Our government has destabilized foreign governments and regions in pursuit of economic interests. I'll take Bernie's wisdom over the Clinton/neocons experience any day.

Snake oil and fantasy? Regardless of if Hillary wins or loses..the Third Way Corporatist Democratic party is dying. The establishment keeps telling us we have nowhere else to go...but after three decades..it is getting old. Hillary has not endeared herself to her opposition with her "no we can't" platform. The DNC is in denial with it's presumption and arrogance.

Who are the "snake oil" peddlers indeed? So the establishment calls the one honest guy out there a liar and impugns his integrity... I'm with Bernie..

[Lucinda]

1. It's not the message, other than foreign Affairs, it is the lack of workable solutions.

We have an intransigent gerrymandered congress. That cannot be wished away. They have to be voted out. I want someone who can get things done, and despite all the people yelling that Hillary is hated by the Republicans, she was very well respected in the Senate. She doesn't demonize the opposition, she works hard to find solutions to make progress. I don't think that Bernie can do that.

[RobertEarl]

2. NO, not ever

H is scared of republicans. She admits they won't allow her to get health care for everyone. Your theory is therefore found false. Next....

[Lucinda]

3. She isn't at all afraid of them. She has said they won't pass Bernie's plan.

Maybe watch a speech or two, it might helps clear things up for you? She is very specific about their differences, and her plans to fix the ACA flaws.

[RobertEarl]

5. Sure she is scared

Otherwise she'd be trying to crush them and their rightward thinking. Instead she plays their game, repeating their desire that there will be no health care for everyone like the great hero Bernie is demanding.

I wish H was brave, but she's not.

[Lucinda]

7. I'm sorry, I can't take you seriously if you think that Hillary would in any way give up on

the fight for health care. She has only been working on it her entire political life.

[RobertEarl]

8. You're not serious

She just told everyone she was caving into the demands of the republicans who are against Bernie's plan of health care for all.

It's been all over DU for weeks. Take off those blinders and see just who is for health care for all and who says NO to health care for all.

[Lucinda]

11. No, she didnt. I think you are seeing what you want to see if you watched her speech.

She said they would not pass Sander's plan, which they wont. He has been submitting health care bills that never make it out of committee. The congress, in its current composition, will not pass it.

Hillary wants to fix the flaws in the ACA, make it possible for Medicare to negotiate drug costs to bring down prescription prices, lower copays, and several other things that she talks about in her stump speeches. She has NEVER said she wasn't going to fight for health care changes.

[RobertEarl]

13. There ya go

In your own words, you pointed out that H admits defeat. She already is saying she can't overcome the republicans. Sorry, but what we need is a real fighter like Bernie not the scared of republicans H.

[Lucinda]

17. LOL I did not and you know it. Surely you have better things to do?

And I'm too sleepy to play anymore, so take your act on the road.

[senz]

4. Bernie has never "demonized the opposition."

I've seen Hillary do it hundreds of times.

Bernie also works very well across the aisle. He is a statesman.

[Lucinda]

6. I didn't say Bernie did. And I doubt you could find 10 times Hillary did, much less 100.

I like Bernie, always have, but his colleagues aren't supporting him, and that makes it even less likely that he would get much done in my opinion.

[senz]

9. I listened to her demonize Barack Obama repeatedly in 2008

and she started in on Sen. Sanders in 2015 but is currently doing it through her surrogates because polls showed it was hurting her.

Bernie has been among the most well-liked legislators throughout his career because he is direct, honest, kind, focused, and does not make enemies.

Hillary (and Bill) set out to gain tremendous wealth, connections, and political power and have a reputation for enemy lists and vindictiveness. If I were a senator, I would hesitate to not endorse Hillary. Her power and reputation make her formidable and intimidating.

Power rules in Washington D.C. Bernie had none of that kind of power.

It is to Elizabeth Warren's credit that so far she has refrained from endorsing Hillary. She is the only female Democratic senator not to have done so.

[Lucinda]

12. They aren't giving Clinton their endorsement because they are afraid of her

Bernie has spent a good amount of time in congress lecturing his colleagues and criticizing Democratic values and policies. I'm pretty sure that is the basis for the lack of support.

[senz]

19. Completely untrue.

Bernie has always been respected by his colleagues. His "lectures" were delivered to Republican politicians who were putting forth legislation that harms the American people. Bernie does not criticize the Democratic Party; in fact, he has caucused with the Democrats for decades on a very agreeable basis.

[cascadiance]

15. Yes, a "workable solution" with both CORPORATE Democrats and Republicans is to EXPAND crap like H-1B

which screws Americans like me who stay unemployed frequently between contract jobs, that will likely dry up completely when we get older and TPP passes and like it is rumored to do will remove all quotas on guest worker programs like this.

Of course Hillary has supported expanding these programs the way Tata and other contracting agencies benefitting from these programs have paid her to do. Now she hasn't talked about this since the 2008 election, but that is by design, as she won't want to make any more promises that she will have to break or appear to break if they are as nebulous as Obama was about "renegotiating NAFTA".

The solution isn't to just "go along" with the corporate Republicans of the other side and the Democrats. Yes that is easier than what Bernie is proposing, but it isn't what the Americans want to happen in Washington. The answer is to work with those on the other side in situations like H-1B who are also being pressured by their constituencies to work against things like H-1B and steer them in a direction to FOCUS on making it a healthy job atmosphere where both Americans retain their jobs and reasonable salaries, and those who want to immigrate here are able to do so through means that is on an even playing field so that workers are empowered globally and we don't have any bottom for the wealthy to "race to".

THAT is the kind of work that I want a president to do who represents us the voters. And THAT is what I believe Bernie is more than any other candidate running in either party this year.

[JRLeft]

10. Hillary is definitely trustworthy.

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[Hekate]

16. Oh goodness, a cartoon from a conservative source and they don't like Hillary.

Things that make you go hmmmm.

[Hekate]

14. I had not heard that, but I understand it's good for lumbago if you rub it on.

Not so good for improving the ACA, though.

[nichomachus]

18. Yes, but Hillary is selling the whole snake. Nt

[tokenlib]

20. That is funny!! Good one..n/t