2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumIn the precinct with the 60 missing voters, could they have just left
after they first voted, thinking their main job was done? They weren't locked inside, were they?
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/elections/presidential/caucus/2016/02/02/sometimes-iowa-democrats-award-caucus-delegates-coin-flip/79680342/
It happened in precinct 2-4 in Ames, where supporters of candidates Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton disputed the results after 60 caucus participants apparently disappeared from the proceedings.
As a result of the coin toss, Clinton was awarded an additional delegate, meaning she took five of the precincts eight, while Sanders received three.
Similar situations played out at various precincts across the state, but had an extremely small effect on the overall outcome, in which Clinton won 49.9 percent of statewide delegate equivalents, while Sanders won 49.5 percent. The delegates that were decided by coin flips were delegates to the party's county conventions, of which there are thousands selected across the state from 1,681 separate precincts. They were not the statewide delegate equivalents that are reported in the final results.
The statewide delegate equivalents that determine the outcome on caucus night are derived from the county-level delegates, but are aggregated across the state and weighted in a manner that makes individual county delegate selections at a handful of precincts count for a tiny fraction of the ultimate result.
FSogol
(45,529 posts)brush
(53,876 posts)this bungling doesn't happen. The first presidential slot and spotlight in the nation that influences subsequent primaries is too important for to be left up to if voters stay or go home and then there has to be a coin flip.
Are you kidding me? A coin flip decides who wins. Ridiculous.
Hekate
(90,829 posts)It's not amateur hour if Iowans have chosen to do it this way forever. 4) If you have a problem with their method after informing yourself of all the facts, take it up with Iowa.
Enjoy the rest of the season.
Edited to add: Decisions by chance have a long history in the US and elsewhere. Coin toss, dice roll, cut a deck of cards. It's legal and there's lots of precedence.
pnwmom
(108,995 posts)they are amateur hour, even if we've done this before. Every caucus has a new bunch of volunteers, trying to figure out the system. It's a mess.
Our state's voters hated it so much we passed a referendum to move to a primary system. So the State Democratic party went to court to fight to retain the caucus -- and it won. So GOP voters now get a primary, while we Dems are stuck with the insanity of the caucuses.
Hekate
(90,829 posts)The incessant whining all over the place temporarily put me off balance.
pnwmom
(108,995 posts)It is a list of the Iowa caucus official rules for assigning delegates. And then imagine you're a volunteer at the caucus, trying to figure out what this all means.
So you've got volunteers making frantic calls to headquarters, asking how to handle various things that come up. The process is a mess, and takes hours. No wonder 60 voters disappeared from that one precinct. I bet they were disappearing all over the state. Who wants to sit through hours of tedious process arguments?
http://iowademocrats.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/IDP-Caucus-Math-One-Pager.pdf
Hekate
(90,829 posts)...a century ago than an entire state in 2016.
pnwmom
(108,995 posts)brush
(53,876 posts)That's too important, IMO, for heads or tails, and I live in Nevada and have participated in a caucus in '08 (we didn't have one in 2012 because we had the incumbent). And believe me, a primary is direct and much less confusing.
And another thing, O'Malley spent all that time and money and got nothing out of it. With a primary he would have at least gotten some delegates.
brush
(53,876 posts)pnwmom
(108,995 posts)to primaries.
But the election wasn't decided by coin flips. There's plenty of other messiness in the system, but the flips related to county delegates, not state delegates, and didn't change the outcome of a single state delegate.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)And I think many new people did not understand they needed to stay while things got sorted.