Hillary not doing super well tonight

[metroins]

My wife and I (in Texas) plan to vote for her but tonight she doesn't seem on target.

I still think she's the smartest of all candidates but I'm not seeing her speak as well as she does versus candidates.

[Bjornsdotter]

1. She usually speaks better....

....I think she sounds congested and may be getting sick.

[metroins]

3. I can see that

A lot of pauses not normally taken by her.

[Joe the Revelator]

4. She should release her actual health records...

not the doctors note.

True story.

[metroins]

6. She looks healthy nt

[Joe the Revelator]

7. Good enough for me!

/s

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

20. She sounds okay to me, not as great and vibrant as Bernie, but reasonably well...

She might be losing her voice somewhat, which is understandable over a long campaign.

[metroins]

32. Yea

I think Bernies mic was messed up.

Could've been my stream.

[bkkyosemite]

2. She lied about Bernie again. Whats with the deception

for the listeners. Bernie wants to improve on ACA but she keeps saying he wants to destroy it and start all over. That is a lie.

[metroins]

5. I'm not going to get into all of that nt

[NowSam]

9. She is campaigning in a time warp

That is my analysis. In the 90s and 2000s before twitter a candidate could get away with this stuff but today people are high info and fast. Had she run in 2004 against W she probably would have won. I think she missed the boat.

[karynnj]

19. I doubt she would have won in 2004

Kerry did exceptionally well in the debates. In addition, even with the SBVT stuff, very few people who would have considered voting against Bush had any reason to question his honesty and integrity. In addition, he had far more national security and foreign policy experience than HRC - not because of his military past, but his then about 20 years on the Senate Foreign relations committee. In fact, he was among the first people in government to warn of the problem of non state terrorists -- and his investigation helped NYC DA Morgenthau close down BCCI, the bank that OBL and others - including drug runners were using.

So:
He had less baggage
He had military and foreign policy experience beyond Clinton's
He is at least as good debating
Although this is subjective, he was a better campaigner.

2004 was a national security election and there were unfortunately too many still traumatized and clinging to the President.

[KingCharlemagne]

22. It didn't help that Kerry voted for Operation Shocking and Awful, nor

that he refused to repudiate his vote.

In 2004, Kerry promised to run the Iraq War and Occupation better than Bush, but not to end it. Half of the base had to hold their noses to vote for him in the GE.

[karynnj]

36. I guess you missed "Wrong war, wrong time, wrong place" said many times a day

You also missed the hundreds of times he spoke of Bush misleading us into war, not exhausting the diplomacy and it not being a war of last resort. Kerry's plan that he spoke of included transitioning out quickly starting in late 2005 and he spoke of a summit with the countries in the region - both designed to avoid the continuation of an "occupation" - a word he used and spoke against. (His plan was well detailed in a September speech at NYU.) It sounds like you closed your ears as well as held your nose.

I have no idea what you mean by he did not speak to end the war. Any candidate suggesting that the US should leave immediately (or as quickly as possible) would have lost in a land slide. If you followed things in 2006, you would have realized that Kerry in Kerry/Feingold proposed many of the same ideas -- and at that point Dean was advocating that the Democrats follow the Korb plan - that would have kept us there longer.

[KingCharlemagne]

39. I sure as hell didn't miss when Kerry said he still would have voted to give Bush

authority to invade Iraq even if he (Kerry) knew beforehand there were no WMDs in Iraq.

IMO, Kerry lost the 2004 GE right then and there in Colorado Springs.

[karynnj]

48. The media (Candy Crowley) conflated the "if he knew" with Kerry's standard answer on his vote

even though his answer included letting the inspectors finish their work. Here is something written the week that happened - http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php/depts.washington.edu/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=273&topic_id=167621&mesg_id=167621

[CorporatistNation]

66. Lots of BS!

No specifics and plenty of NON answers.

[Duckhunter935]

27. very true

[winter is coming]

62. It's a calculated risk. People are far less likely to vote for you if they catch you in a lie.

Before the advent of the internet and the rise of social media, the risk often paid off. It's a riskier proposition now.

[arcane1]

13. She's speaking to insurance companies, not voters n/t

[TDale313]

8. I think she's probably better at governing than campaigning.

Unlike Bill, you don't get the sense she enjoys the process much. He thrived on it- she seems to endure it as a means to an end.

[metroins]

10. That is a very good statement.

Running for president is not easy.

[FloridaBlues]

12. Thinking she spot on for answering don't know what your listening too?

[madamesilverspurs]

14. Actually, she's doing quite well.

She's speaking from personal experience, public and private, being conversational.

Could be that you and I are watching different presentations. Or it could simply be that we're watching the same but from different perspectives.

[RBInMaine]

15. She's brilliant, supremely articulate, and doing very well. DAMN SMART LADY !

[metroins]

17. She is smart.

[metroins]

16. My wife and I

Have been agreeing with most of the messages but she seems to have a pause every 4 words.

It's just not getting us excited.

[DURHAM D]

18. Let's face it... she is just not angry enough and

doesn't wave both of her hands enough and point at people all the time.

[AtomicKitten]

21. She's spewing easily disprovable lies. Looking forward to the factchecking on this. Won't be pretty.

[metroins]

24. I won't comment on that

[AtomicKitten]

28. you just did

[NowSam]

29. Why not?

Don't you want the truth?

[metroins]

30. Takes too long

I'm not going to fact check after 3 remy martins, and posting on my phone.

[NowSam]

31. That is how she gets away with it

Thanks.

[metroins]

34. I'll check politifact in the morning

That's their job.

[HerbChestnut]

51. Politifact doesn't always get it right, unfortunately.

That said, sleep off the Martins

[nc4bo]

23. She seems rattled. nt

[metroins]

25. I don't think so

Just not perfect.

[nc4bo]

26. You could be right. nt

[merrily]

33. Was advocating for invading Iraq smart or bad judgment?

[metroins]

35. Based on Intel

Smart.

I play poker, the outcome is irrelevant if you make the right decision.

[merrily]

37. That is (a) the wrong test, (b) simply untrue, and (c) she did not read the NIE anyway.

Not that trusting Tenet would have been great judgment.

Jaysus! Even she finally said her vote was a mistake.

[daleanime]

40. Not that it would change her actions....

in the run up to the next war.

[merrily]

43. As a Senator, she voted for every war and surge for which she was eligible to vote

As Secretary of State, OMG.

[daleanime]

46. And if she was president.......

[metroins]

52. I remember watching CNN

I thought it was a good idea at the time.

[merrily]

53. Another wrong standard.

[winter is coming]

64. I didn't. Too many emotionally laden words, and lots of "We'll go to Iraq and kick ass!"

but nobody explained what would happen after that. Basically, strong hints of propaganda and magical thinking, two signs that someone hasn't done their homework.

[gyroscope]

42. Very poor judgment to vote for the IWR

and why Bernie had the sense to vote against it.

[merrily]

45. But, based on what Bush and Cheney said, it was genius!

[daleanime]

38. It's not her smarts that worry me....

it's her goals, I don't seem to share them and I worry about what damage she would cause with them.

[metroins]

41. I agree with her policies

I'm not looking for a revolution.

[daleanime]

44. Just the next war?

Sorry, but I hope neither you nor her finds it. Have a lovely evening.

[merrily]

47. +1

[840high]

50. +2

[metroins]

54. I think you made a non sequitur nt

[merrily]

49. If you agree with her policies, then her being the smartest candidate is not the issue at all.

You should have said that to begin with.

[metroins]

55. Explain?

[merrily]

56. Wow.

[Motown_Johnny]

57. You want a no fly zone in Syria? n/t

[metroins]

58. I do not care about Syria

Personal opinion.

[Motown_Johnny]

59. Ahhh... OK. A military conflict with Russia on the Turkish boarder doesn't bother you.

No wonder you are capable of supporting Hillary.

[metroins]

63. I'm a realist

I don't see that happening.

[Beacool]

60. I thought that she did quite well.

She was as articulate and answered as intelligently as ever. My favorite responses of hers tonight were the ones she gave the man who said had cancer and her response to the rabbi. She took her time, thought about what she was asked and her humanity came through in her responses.

[metroins]

61. Oh wow

I.thought those were her worst answers.

I wish on the cancer guy she brought up Joe Biden and the Moon Shot program. My mom is being treated at MD Anderson and is apart of the Moon Shot program.

It hit a little close to home, so I expected real answers.

[Beacool]

67. She gave an honest answer.

Assisted suicide is a subject that needs time to be discussed and shouldn't be treated lightly. Would you have preferred she gave him a glib answer?

[metroins]

70. I dunno.

It's a difficult subject.

[Odin2005]

65. Hillary is an EPIC FAIL.

[Beacool]

68. Expected answer from a Sanders' supporter.

[Odin2005]

69. Truth hurts.