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So is the debate tonight the one that Bernie wasn't going to attend out of "Principle" (Original Post) liberal N proud Feb 2016 OP
I believe it was because it wasn't originally sanctioned by the DNC Ned_Devine Feb 2016 #1
DNC agreed yesterday to sanction more debates. Including this one. gcomeau Feb 2016 #4
Good! It was damn smart of Bernie to not take that bait. 99th_Monkey Feb 2016 #14
The debate tonight is now sanctioned NowSam Feb 2016 #2
I am curious what difference the location makes, since the audience is national? bettyellen Feb 2016 #5
NY is closer than average to Wall Street Fumesucker Feb 2016 #15
It's a natural topic of discussion everywhere Blue_Adept Feb 2016 #17
Bernie brings Wall Street to the absolute forefront every time he speaks- so this is symbolic. bettyellen Feb 2016 #18
It makes a lot of difference dreamnightwind Feb 2016 #19
Precisely and Hillary only became "anxious" about having more debates particularly this one Uncle Joe Feb 2016 #28
The energy of the house audience and NowSam Feb 2016 #23
Bernie resisted doing it, after he pushed for it, because he realized he sucks at debates. MoonRiver Feb 2016 #21
I think he is great at debates. NowSam Feb 2016 #22
I have a doctorate and participated in many debates during high school and college. MoonRiver Feb 2016 #24
I have an associate degree and eyes to see NowSam Feb 2016 #25
Agree Nite Owl Feb 2016 #27
:) eom NowSam Feb 2016 #30
He resisted doing ONE debate in the worst possible venue for him... thesquanderer Feb 2016 #32
...of adhering to the DNC rules as set forth by DWS? Yes. The DNC has sanctioned this debate so Kip Humphrey Feb 2016 #3
Because yeah, taking millions of $$$ from Wall Street interests is principled. closeupready Feb 2016 #6
Might not be principled, but it sure as hell is profitable. NorthCarolina Feb 2016 #10
Right. He wouldn't go against the rules. immoderate Feb 2016 #7
Yes this whole sticking to principles thing is Warren Stupidity Feb 2016 #8
+1 What an excuse! This guy wants us to believe he has principles! After a lifetime of fighting Ed Suspicious Feb 2016 #26
Do you have a point? ErisDiscordia Feb 2016 #9
Sanders wanted more debates, more than just one more ... earthside Feb 2016 #11
Way to totally twist the situation. kath Feb 2016 #12
That's a pretty weak sauce attempt to slam Sanders. Goblinmonger Feb 2016 #13
He decided to attend . . . Gamecock Lefty Feb 2016 #16
Please. H2O Man Feb 2016 #20
There's no issue to attack Bernie on with this either way. Ken Burch Feb 2016 #29
Another silly drive-by. nt Snotcicles Feb 2016 #31
 

Ned_Devine

(3,146 posts)
1. I believe it was because it wasn't originally sanctioned by the DNC
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 02:36 PM
Feb 2016

I've been busy with work, so I don't know if this one has been officially sanctioned by the party. Has it?

 

gcomeau

(5,764 posts)
4. DNC agreed yesterday to sanction more debates. Including this one.
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 02:39 PM
Feb 2016

So he's in... since now they can't later pull a "you participated in an unsanctioned debate" maneuver.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
14. Good! It was damn smart of Bernie to not take that bait.
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 03:09 PM
Feb 2016

But I'm sure Hillarians are sadly disappointed they have been deprived of a new
"Aa-Haa! Bernie's in an unsanctioned debate, so forfeits his right to be in any more debates!"
talking point.

NowSam

(1,252 posts)
2. The debate tonight is now sanctioned
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 02:37 PM
Feb 2016

by Hillary's pawn, DWS, and is therefore green lit for attendance by candidates without reprisals. Bernie also negotiated for 4 more debates and got them although Hillary won't debate in NY for some reason.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
5. I am curious what difference the location makes, since the audience is national?
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 02:39 PM
Feb 2016

Does Sanders feel it will help with local voters, or is it symbolic somehow? Honest question.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
15. NY is closer than average to Wall Street
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 03:12 PM
Feb 2016

I think Hillary wishes to avoid talking about Wall Street and it's a natural topic of discussion in NY.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
18. Bernie brings Wall Street to the absolute forefront every time he speaks- so this is symbolic.
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 03:18 PM
Feb 2016

I thought he was hoping to win NY or something, but I guess that is not it.

dreamnightwind

(4,775 posts)
19. It makes a lot of difference
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 04:37 PM
Feb 2016

The in-person audience, for one thing, also the questions are often tailored to the interests of the host state or the state with an upcoming primary (usually those two thingss are the same).

Uncle Joe

(58,355 posts)
28. Precisely and Hillary only became "anxious" about having more debates particularly this one
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 05:07 PM
Feb 2016

in New Hampshire after Bernie started catching up to and eventually leading her in the polls of New Hampshire.

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
21. Bernie resisted doing it, after he pushed for it, because he realized he sucks at debates.
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 04:41 PM
Feb 2016

DWS just went along with what both candidates finally agreed to, as we all knew she would. Looking forward to watching Bernie lose, again.

NowSam

(1,252 posts)
22. I think he is great at debates.
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 04:44 PM
Feb 2016

I believe he is sincere and has great vision.

I believe she comes across as a total phony and completely unbelievable.

I think he won every single debate. But I don't let the M$M tell me what the result is. I think for myself.

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
24. I have a doctorate and participated in many debates during high school and college.
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 04:47 PM
Feb 2016

I don't let ANYBODY think for me, cause I have a well functioning brain! And I am 100% sure Hillary won every debate and Bernie is a very poor debater. But we will just have to agree to disagree.

NowSam

(1,252 posts)
25. I have an associate degree and eyes to see
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 04:50 PM
Feb 2016

and your doctorate doesn't impress me nearly as much as my sense of wonder as how any thinking person who cares about their fellow human beings could ever support your candidate. Yes, we can agree to disagree.

Nite Owl

(11,303 posts)
27. Agree
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 05:03 PM
Feb 2016

Bernie's authenticity shines. He answers every question completely and I think people appreciate that. Can't think of any debate he lost.

thesquanderer

(11,986 posts)
32. He resisted doing ONE debate in the worst possible venue for him...
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 05:21 PM
Feb 2016

...in order to get three MORE debates in places where they could potentially do him more good.

Debates favor the underdog, and New Hampshire is the one and only state in which he is currently expected to win handily, so a NH debate favors Hillary. He didn't want to give that up without getting something in return.

See also http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511133521

As for Bernie "losing again," do you really think he would have come from 30 points behind to finish within 2 tenths of a percent in Iowa if there had been no debates? He may not be the world's best debater, but he's still managed to benefit from them nicely.

Kip Humphrey

(4,753 posts)
3. ...of adhering to the DNC rules as set forth by DWS? Yes. The DNC has sanctioned this debate so
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 02:38 PM
Feb 2016

Bernie will attend.

 

NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
10. Might not be principled, but it sure as hell is profitable.
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 02:48 PM
Feb 2016

I'd love to suffer with their bank account.

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
8. Yes this whole sticking to principles thing is
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 02:43 PM
Feb 2016

such bullshit. We need a candidate who has no principles.


Nope and No Change 2016!

Amirite?

Ed Suspicious

(8,879 posts)
26. +1 What an excuse! This guy wants us to believe he has principles! After a lifetime of fighting
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 05:02 PM
Feb 2016

for the lower and middle class eschewing vast riches and easy campaign money from corporate interests, you know this guy is on the take.

 

ErisDiscordia

(443 posts)
9. Do you have a point?
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 02:43 PM
Feb 2016

Because the only principle involved was contract law. A contract set up by HRC and DWS, who I believe are both lawyers....one is, certainly.

earthside

(6,960 posts)
11. Sanders wanted more debates, more than just one more ...
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 02:48 PM
Feb 2016

... and he got them.

Looks to me like his adherence to principle paid off.

It’s on: We’re getting four more Democratic debates
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2016/02/03/its-on-looks-like-were-getting-four-more-democratic-debates/

On CNN just now, Bernie Sanders was asked by CNN’s Wolf Blitzer whether the two campaigns had agreed on upcoming debates. Blitzer noted that Sanders confirmed earlier today that he would be attending tomorrow’s MSNBC debate, and asked Sanders whether the Clinton camp had agreed to the three more debates he had wanted in exchange for agreeing to tomorrow’s affair:

BLITZER: You now say you will be participating in that Democratic presidential debate tomorrow night. Did you get the commitments from Secretary Clinton you wanted about three additional Democratic presidential debates down the road?

SANDERS: Yes. To the best of my knowledge we have. We didn’t get all the commitments that I wanted. We got California, we got Michigan — and that’s good. I wanted a debate in New York City….but Secretary Clinton has not agreed to do that. But I believe we’re looking at a debate in Pennsylvania…but I do believe we have her commitment, as I understand it, for three additional debates.
 

Goblinmonger

(22,340 posts)
13. That's a pretty weak sauce attempt to slam Sanders.
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 03:00 PM
Feb 2016

I wasn't sanctioned by the DNC. Now it is. The fact that it wasn't is the "principle" that he was standing on when he said he wasn't going to attend.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
29. There's no issue to attack Bernie on with this either way.
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 05:08 PM
Feb 2016

Why are you dwelling on something that doesn't matter.

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