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cali

(114,904 posts)
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 12:00 PM Feb 2016

It's fucking depraved to compare the nurse's union to Haim Saban and

Citibank. It's fucking cynical bullshit to try and mitigate Clinton's history with big murky fucking money with the nurse's union. It's ridiculous to try and conflate Bernie's fundraising with Hillary's.

It's contemptible and dishonest and those doing it, whether it's the NYT or some blogger know it's about as dishonest and dishonorable as is possible.


Yes, I said Depraved:

de·praved
dəˈprāvd/
adjective
morally corrupt; wicked.
"a depraved indifference to human life"

synonyms: corrupt, perverted, deviant, degenerate, debased, immoral, unprincipled; More

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It's fucking depraved to compare the nurse's union to Haim Saban and (Original Post) cali Feb 2016 OP
You seem angry. Cali_Democrat Feb 2016 #1
Yes, depravity pisses me off. Here's a kiss right back cali Feb 2016 #3
Instead of pounding away on your keyboard..... Cali_Democrat Feb 2016 #8
That would be great if I could cali Feb 2016 #16
I'm diagnosed with the same thing.. one_voice Feb 2016 #60
I'm so sorry. cali Feb 2016 #67
gosh, this is frustrating. Karma13612 Feb 2016 #70
Damn cali- I'm sorry for your pain..... panader0 Feb 2016 #61
Thank you. cali Feb 2016 #73
Sorry to hear this Cary Feb 2016 #95
Lol. Nah, you're fine. cali Feb 2016 #98
Hopefully, the irony of this suggestion was planned. nt TheBlackAdder Feb 2016 #17
You seem angry that she's bringing up an important issue. polly7 Feb 2016 #27
+1 Matariki Feb 2016 #94
....go for a nice walk outside. AlbertCat Feb 2016 #32
What, no snide retort? cali Feb 2016 #37
My apologies for not replying in a timely fashion. I was online shopping at Amazon Cali_Democrat Feb 2016 #56
Or, just an idea here, but maybe you could stop making recommendations Ned_Devine Feb 2016 #59
Because God knows cali is never snide and condescending mythology Feb 2016 #76
The depravity is the comparison of the Nurse's Union to a super pac financed by the biggest banks Ned_Devine Feb 2016 #80
I read extensively, always have. cali Feb 2016 #72
Not even an apology or sorry for your pain from 'you know who.' pangaia Feb 2016 #83
I love to cook. cali Feb 2016 #87
Hi, Cali. bvar22 Feb 2016 #99
Thank you, bvar cali Feb 2016 #100
Karma tends to bite these types in the ass soon enough. n/t PonyUp Feb 2016 #88
+1 stonecutter357 Feb 2016 #36
.... cali Feb 2016 #47
They don't get it. Ned_Devine Feb 2016 #57
We are already in an oligarchy RoccoR5955 Feb 2016 #77
I am retired and doing OK thanks. stonecutter357 Feb 2016 #79
Okay, so your are retired RoccoR5955 Feb 2016 #82
I find is so very sad when confronted with people that do not understand that we live... SoLeftIAmRight Feb 2016 #45
I think you're right. elias49 Feb 2016 #96
A great country works for: SoLeftIAmRight Feb 2016 #97
The problem here is that you aren't. Motown_Johnny Feb 2016 #78
That's the way She rolls Ferd Berfel Feb 2016 #2
OMFG! ybbor Feb 2016 #40
...and there are Union (officers and board members only) that support her? Ferd Berfel Feb 2016 #54
I know, it makes no sense ybbor Feb 2016 #64
but, but, she has evolved now....so everything is ok Ferd Berfel Feb 2016 #65
alternate: BLUE DOGS, the Republicons that Republicons don't want. Kip Humphrey Feb 2016 #55
She thinks she's one of them or has a chance of becomming one of them, but it's just the opposite. notadmblnd Feb 2016 #63
Thanks for that. rynestonecowboy Feb 2016 #81
It also makes purveyors of such nonsense look REALLY stupid. MgtPA Feb 2016 #4
Bernie should make clear that some SuperPACs are better than others. DanTex Feb 2016 #5
He doesn't need to. Any 10 year old can see the difference. cali Feb 2016 #7
It would be the minimum for basic honesty. If you rail against SuperPACs and boast about not DanTex Feb 2016 #10
team H is the only group pushing this nonsense virtualobserver Feb 2016 #14
On DU maybe, but the NYT has also taken notice. Seems to me that team B is the only DanTex Feb 2016 #19
any rational person can see that it is nonsense virtualobserver Feb 2016 #20
I'm sure that NYT reporter is concerned about your take on his/her rationality. DanTex Feb 2016 #30
I'm sure that NYT reporter is concerned about your take on his/her rationality. AlbertCat Feb 2016 #34
As we all know, Bernie supporters on DU are the ultimate arbiters of serious reporting. DanTex Feb 2016 #35
As we all know, AlbertCat Feb 2016 #42
Rebuttal to what? I simply stated facts, as reported by the NYT. Bernie has gotten more DanTex Feb 2016 #44
There's facts... Kensan Feb 2016 #91
Yeah, Jayson Blair and Judith Miller were not good reporters. DanTex Feb 2016 #93
the cynical twisting of reality by a NYT reporter is of no concern to me either- so we are even virtualobserver Feb 2016 #51
Nurses support people that will help their patients, oligarchs support ppl that support oligarchy Dragonfli Feb 2016 #18
Well, then let's hear Bernie say that. Have him argue that SuperPAC support isn't necessarily DanTex Feb 2016 #21
Common sense is common sense, it need not be argued and is usually axiomatic Dragonfli Feb 2016 #24
A little odd, then, that Bernie wouldn't just come out and say what he believes. If it's so obvious. DanTex Feb 2016 #25
My turn Dragonfli Feb 2016 #26
Also, about that Citibank question, I'm genuinely curious. Has Citibank written a corporate DanTex Feb 2016 #11
Who knows. They don't have to disclose whether they wrote such a check. Lucky Luciano Feb 2016 #43
I don't know, I think some kinds of SuperPACs have to disclose their donors and some DanTex Feb 2016 #48
Short answer Armstead Feb 2016 #33
That's a fair answer. Hillary's SuperPACs are funded primarily by wealthy liberals, people DanTex Feb 2016 #50
Shows they are desperate and scared. Not much left in the Clinton arsenal. n/t Avalux Feb 2016 #6
Yep, as I said in another thread... cyberswede Feb 2016 #9
Creating a false equivalency between Union and Corporate campaign donations is GOP Spin 101 Teamster Jeff Feb 2016 #12
Absolutely and that's why I found Dean's conflation of the two cali Feb 2016 #23
Look upthread, I think Dan has taken a course at least as high as 205 /nt Dragonfli Feb 2016 #29
Lol. He might have even taught the class! nm Teamster Jeff Feb 2016 #86
+1000000 Depaysement Feb 2016 #31
. Teamster Jeff Feb 2016 #85
Ronald Reagan Dems, Citizens United Dems, David Brock Dems, Ralph Reed Dems MisterP Feb 2016 #38
Anyone that does reveals themselves as fighting FOR the financial elite. stillwaiting Feb 2016 #13
I agree wholeheartedly, including the synonyms /nt Dragonfli Feb 2016 #15
The Republicans attacked the teachers. SamKnause Feb 2016 #22
Solid observations Populist_Prole Feb 2016 #39
Some speech is more acceptable than other speech Blue_Adept Feb 2016 #28
Well there are a lot more nurses who are women. Kalidurga Feb 2016 #41
Now here is some FACTS..................................... turbinetree Feb 2016 #46
Thanks. snort Feb 2016 #84
Your welcome FEC reports basically say everything about the money................................... turbinetree Feb 2016 #92
Depraved? Nah. Just politics as usual. (eom) HassleCat Feb 2016 #49
The Nurse's Union is zentrum Feb 2016 #52
Agreed. I had great respect for Dean despite his support for NoHope Hillary. last1standing Feb 2016 #53
Speaking the truth about what Union PAC's are or are not is "smearing"? KittyWampus Feb 2016 #69
Unions are not super PACs, they cannot accept dark money. To suggest otherwise is a smear. last1standing Feb 2016 #71
True. H2O Man Feb 2016 #58
That's all they got and they know it....a flawed and highly compromised candidate. n/t Jefferson23 Feb 2016 #62
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Feb 2016 #66
It's hypocritical of a sanctimonious candidate like Sanders to denounce PAC's up until KittyWampus Feb 2016 #68
It's stupid, is what it is. CoffeeCat Feb 2016 #74
Not to mention laughably obvious. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2016 #75
K&R CharlotteVale Feb 2016 #89
Ya know what? We should look at the bright side.... Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2016 #90
 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
1. You seem angry.
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 12:02 PM
Feb 2016

Perhaps you should take a step back from your keyboard and go for a nice walk outside.

Here's a kiss to help you feel better.

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
8. Instead of pounding away on your keyboard.....
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 12:07 PM
Feb 2016

....go for a nice walk outside.

I think that would be more effective than screaming at random people over the interwebz.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
16. That would be great if I could
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 12:18 PM
Feb 2016

Used to be an avid skier, both downhill and x-country. Now I'm disabled due in to an accident 4 years ago. I use a cane. I'm in pain all day and most of the night. And it ain't minor discomfort. Not only do I have post-traumatic arthritis, I have CRPS type II. And yes, it makes me crabby, particularly after my doctor's appt. last Monday.

Complex regional pain syndrome (CRPS) formerly reflex sympathetic dystrophy (RSD), "causalgia", or reflex neurovascular dystrophy (RND) is an amplified musculoskeletal pain syndrome (AMPS). It is a chronic systemic disease characterized by severe pain, swelling, and changes in the skin. CRPS often worsens over time


<snip>

Type II, formerly known as causalgia, has evidence of obvious nerve damage. Type II CRPS tends to feature the more painful and difficult-to-control symptomes of CRPS; The Type II disease scores 47 out of 50 on the McGill pain scale[6] (however there are seemingly little or no data pertaining to Type I specifically here). In Type II the "cause" of the syndrome is a known or obvious nerve injury, although the cause of the mechanisms of CRPS Type II are as unknown as the mechanisms of Type I.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complex_regional_pain_syndrome

one_voice

(20,043 posts)
60. I'm diagnosed with the same thing..
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 01:14 PM
Feb 2016

23 years for me. Along with a few other things. I hate the name change too.

They've made greater strides with treatment in Europe than here. They key to this disease is catching early. The problem was not many doctors recognize(d) it.

After I f'd around with dumb ass neurologists for too long, it was my family doctor that dx'd me. Sent me to one of the best doc's in Philly. Too bad it wasn't soon enough.

I feel your pain, literally. Hope you're feeling as better as one can feel with this.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
67. I'm so sorry.
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 01:39 PM
Feb 2016

Honestly, I can't imagine 23 years of this.

They didn't catch mine early either. But in my case that was understandable. My leg was so badly smashed, I had to learn to walk again. I was on crutches for over a year.

You probably know all the treatments I've been through. Nerve blocks suck.




Karma13612

(4,520 posts)
70. gosh, this is frustrating.
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 01:41 PM
Feb 2016

by the way, if it is caught early, what are some of the things that can be done? Are there nerve treatments or what exactly?

I would like to know since it is so sad to hear of people in pain when it could be avoided.

and also, what are they doing in Europe for treatment/relief?

again, I am curious because we need to find solutions to pain.

When I am in pain, for whatever reason, I just want the pain to stop. And until it does, my mood and concentration take a nosedive. Productivity comes to a grinding halt.

I feel your pain in many senses of the word.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
27. You seem angry that she's bringing up an important issue.
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 12:38 PM
Feb 2016

Maybe you need to go for a walk and consider that posting on a message board isn't screaming any more than you are, trying so hard to insult her for it.

Why do you want this stuff kept quiet so badly?

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
32. ....go for a nice walk outside.
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 12:43 PM
Feb 2016

No need to go outside to see the contempt and holier-than-thou attitude of Hillary supporters.

Perhaps you should get off your high horse before you fall off it....and go outside for a nice walk.

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
56. My apologies for not replying in a timely fashion. I was online shopping at Amazon
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 01:08 PM
Feb 2016

If you can't walk, try reading a book.

 

Ned_Devine

(3,146 posts)
59. Or, just an idea here, but maybe you could stop making recommendations
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 01:10 PM
Feb 2016

and keep your condescending comments to yourself. Again, just an idea.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
76. Because God knows cali is never snide and condescending
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 02:03 PM
Feb 2016

Not to mention way too hyperbolic. It is not even remotely depraved to state that people who donate to a campaign would prefer that person's policies.

The fact that cali has nothing but invective isn't surprising. It's her go to response when she doesn't have a valid argument.

 

Ned_Devine

(3,146 posts)
80. The depravity is the comparison of the Nurse's Union to a super pac financed by the biggest banks
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 02:18 PM
Feb 2016

There is a major difference, so to lump them into the same category is akin to comparing Bernie Sanders to Donald Trump.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
72. I read extensively, always have.
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 01:53 PM
Feb 2016

At the moment I'm reading a not bad mystery, an obscure Maughm novel, The Magician, and a compendium of Greek historians.

Just because you're so deeply concerned, I also cook. I made a delicious pate de campagne with pistachios and prunes for my little superbowl party tomorrow. I'm also making cioppino and an apple tart.

And I took a satisfying shit this morning.

I do so appreciate your kind thoughts, dear.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
83. Not even an apology or sorry for your pain from 'you know who.'
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 02:20 PM
Feb 2016

Well I AM SORRY for your pain.

And, my gosh can you cook !!!

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
99. Hi, Cali.
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 07:17 AM
Feb 2016

Always good to read your posts.
I'm surprised that after all the years I have known you, I had no idea that you were suffering from this condition.
We haven't always seen eye to eye, but I have always respected you.


My wife, Starkraven, has Chicken and Sausage Gumbo in the slow cooker for the game tonight,
which we will wash down with a bottle of some very good Pinot Noir.
Maybe someday, we will share a meal.
I would like that.

DURec.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
100. Thank you, bvar
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 10:40 AM
Feb 2016

I love my slow cooker. It has so many uses. I make apple butter in it and stock, as well as meals. It would be cool to break bread together some day.

About my CRPS, I only ended up with it after my accident four years ago- and what a stupid, embarrassing accident it was. I was running down wooden stairs in my socks and slipped about half way down. Trying to keep my balance, I landed, with my leg twisted, on my left leg on the slate floor and suffered a compound spiral fracture. I actually had multiple fractures of the tibia and fibula. The worst part was I couldn't get to the phone. I had to crawl on my belly, up the driveway and then up the dirt road to get help. Ugh. In any case, it took 3 surgeries and a lot of hardware to put it together. Eventually, I had to learn to walk again, starting in a pool. My CRPS didn't get diagnosed for almost a year.


So that's my embarrassing tale. Thanks for your kind words, and please know the respect goes both ways.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
47. ....
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 12:54 PM
Feb 2016

That would be great if I could
Used to be an avid skier, both downhill and x-country. Now I'm disabled due in to an accident 4 years ago. I use a cane. I'm in pain all day and most of the night. And it ain't minor discomfort. Not only do I have post-traumatic arthritis, I have CRPS type II. And yes, it makes me crabby, particularly after my doctor's appt. last Monday.

Complex regional pain syndrome (CRPS) formerly reflex sympathetic dystrophy (RSD), "causalgia", or reflex neurovascular dystrophy (RND) is an amplified musculoskeletal pain syndrome (AMPS). It is a chronic systemic disease characterized by severe pain, swelling, and changes in the skin. CRPS often worsens over time


<snip>

Type II, formerly known as causalgia, has evidence of obvious nerve damage. Type II CRPS tends to feature the more painful and difficult-to-control symptomes of CRPS; The Type II disease scores 47 out of 50 on the McGill pain scale (however there are seemingly little or no data pertaining to Type I specifically here). In Type II the "cause" of the syndrome is a known or obvious nerve injury, although the cause of the mechanisms of CRPS Type II are as unknown as the mechanisms of Type I.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complex_regional_pain_syndrome

 

Ned_Devine

(3,146 posts)
57. They don't get it.
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 01:08 PM
Feb 2016

I'm sure you understand, most of them are assholes. You know, the types that would post a giant campaign button picture in their response in telling you to go for a walk even though you said you are disabled.

 

RoccoR5955

(12,471 posts)
77. We are already in an oligarchy
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 02:04 PM
Feb 2016

and you want to maintain it?
Interesting.
Good luck when your 401k crashes and you have no money for retirement.
Good luck when your insurance premiums and co-pays go up because we are "extending" the ACA.
Good luck in general to all of us if Clinton gets in, because we are going to need a heap of it!

 

RoccoR5955

(12,471 posts)
82. Okay, so your are retired
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 02:19 PM
Feb 2016

and do not care about the future for your kids and grandkids. Now I understand.

 

SoLeftIAmRight

(4,883 posts)
45. I find is so very sad when confronted with people that do not understand that we live...
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 12:53 PM
Feb 2016

at a time when we are literally on the brink.

This is not the time to be timid and move step by step closer to the edge.

Fundamental change and political revolution must come soon or ...

 

elias49

(4,259 posts)
96. I think you're right.
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 03:41 PM
Feb 2016

I'd like to see a redirection in this country before I die.
Of course it isn't just this country...the world's actors have to 'evolve', the world's people.
Just 10 or 15 degrees off the straight line we've been on since the 80s.
They would make a world of difference. Not a 180. Not even a 90 degree alteration. Just 10% correction.
(And this is what I'm hoping will happen with the collation of many people from many wals of life, WILLING a change in how we understand ourselves and, well, the human race.
End rant.

 

SoLeftIAmRight

(4,883 posts)
97. A great country works for:
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 03:43 PM
Feb 2016

A great country works for:

Clean air and a healthy atmosphere
Clean water and healthy lakes, rivers, streams and oceans
Sustainable, humane, healthy food production
Sustainable, humane, healthy housing
Sensible healthcare
Quality education
Clean energy and technology
Sensible transportation
Quality entertainment
Healthy relationships - with self, others, and between all entities

A country who gets these things correct and can export these ideas will win the hearts and minds.


Ferd Berfel

(3,687 posts)
2. That's the way She rolls
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 12:03 PM
Feb 2016

This is a fight between the 1% and the rest of us. I believe that Bernie is on my side.
I do not get that from Hillary.

ybbor

(1,550 posts)
40. OMFG!
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 12:49 PM
Feb 2016

Your sig line just made me crack up. I'm at my daughter's skating lesson and the other parents gave me a look. Effing hilarious! Still laughing. Can't wait to show someone.

Can't even remember what this thread is about.

Thanks!

ybbor

(1,550 posts)
64. I know, it makes no sense
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 01:30 PM
Feb 2016

She spent years opposing unions when on the board of that company that is destroying small and large towns alike.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
63. She thinks she's one of them or has a chance of becomming one of them, but it's just the opposite.
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 01:24 PM
Feb 2016

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rynestonecowboy

(76 posts)
81. Thanks for that.
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 02:18 PM
Feb 2016

That bit never gets old or any less true. I wish Carlin was still around because you know he would be a vehement Bernie supporter because he understood how the system has been rigged for so long that most people underestimate how bad it is and continue to elect these establishment candidates who make several hundred thousand dollars for a short speech and claim that it's a smear to ask if those payoffs might skew ones point of view. SMH.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
5. Bernie should make clear that some SuperPACs are better than others.
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 12:05 PM
Feb 2016

Is that too much to ask?

Also, has Citibank actually contributed corporate money to a Hillary SuperPAC? I hadn't heard about that. Are you sure it's not a Citibank employee?

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
10. It would be the minimum for basic honesty. If you rail against SuperPACs and boast about not
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 12:10 PM
Feb 2016

having one, while at the same time being there leading beneficiary in the primary campaign, obviously some explanation is due.

If it's true that any 10-year-old would see it his way, all the better, it will be an easier argument for him to make.

 

virtualobserver

(8,760 posts)
14. team H is the only group pushing this nonsense
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 12:15 PM
Feb 2016

it would be easier for you to make your argument if it wasn't deliberately dishonest. What time does the daily email from David Brock arrive?

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
19. On DU maybe, but the NYT has also taken notice. Seems to me that team B is the only
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 12:22 PM
Feb 2016

group trying to deny it.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
34. I'm sure that NYT reporter is concerned about your take on his/her rationality.
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 12:45 PM
Feb 2016

he should be.... if he wants to taken as a serious reporter.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
35. As we all know, Bernie supporters on DU are the ultimate arbiters of serious reporting.
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 12:48 PM
Feb 2016

During his next performance review, no doubt his/her boss will bring up the fact that some DUers didn't like that article.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
42. As we all know,
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 12:50 PM
Feb 2016

you are trying to change the subject.

because you haven't a real rebuttal. And because this slur against Sanders is manufactured BS (and even you know it).

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
44. Rebuttal to what? I simply stated facts, as reported by the NYT. Bernie has gotten more
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 12:52 PM
Feb 2016

SuperPAC support than Clinton during the primary.

Kensan

(178 posts)
91. There's facts...
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 02:45 PM
Feb 2016

and then there's "facts". I seem to recall a lot of interesting tidbits of information in the NYT reported by Judith Miller. Or was it Jayson Blair? Who can keep up with all the facts in such a complex world? Good thing the NYT is there to assist all of us, and show us the proper way to discern all those facts.

Is it really that difficult of a concept to see there may be a wee bit of difference between support from a union vs. a superPAC funded by one or a handful of the largest companies in the entire world? Who's interests are being represented, and what are the endgame goals they are fighting for? Better wages/retirement & health benefits or repeal/loosening of regulations designed to curtail transactions that compromise the security of the entire financial system?

I get that you are an enthusiastic and motivated supporter for your candidate. But I think there's quite a bit of feigned outrage or ignorance from folks in both camps. It seems few can acknowledge any weaknesses in the candidate of their choice, and do nothing but try tear at the actual strengths of the opposing candidate. It's silly season, alright!!

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
93. Yeah, Jayson Blair and Judith Miller were not good reporters.
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 02:50 PM
Feb 2016

But, by and large, the NYT is a solid newspaper, and this story has nothing to do with them. More importantly, the facts in the story can be verified independently.

You also make a very common error when you talk of "a SuperPAC funded by one or a handful of the largest companies in the world." Clinton's SuperPACs are mainly funded by wealthy liberals, not corporations. Yes, there are wealthy liberals in the world.

But regardless, if Bernie is going to be railing at SuperPACs, he needs to take a look in the mirror first. And if he really wants to make the argument that his SuperPAC support is OK, but Hillary's isn't, because some SuperPACs don't really count, good luck with that.

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
18. Nurses support people that will help their patients, oligarchs support ppl that support oligarchy
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 12:21 PM
Feb 2016

Union support (especialy caregivers) is quite different than this sort of support from mega thieves apparently immune from the law:

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
21. Well, then let's hear Bernie say that. Have him argue that SuperPAC support isn't necessarily
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 12:23 PM
Feb 2016

a bad thing, it just depends on which SuperPAC.

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
24. Common sense is common sense, it need not be argued and is usually axiomatic
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 12:30 PM
Feb 2016

If I honestly thought that you believed there was no difference between support from a union of nurses and an entire and lengthy cabal of shadowy banking criminals, I would think you lack common sense.

Because I do contrarily believe that the obvious is obvious even to you, my assessment of your motives are too harsh and ungracious to post here.

Suffice it to say, I do not believe your misrepresentations are done for honorable reasons.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
25. A little odd, then, that Bernie wouldn't just come out and say what he believes. If it's so obvious.
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 12:35 PM
Feb 2016

Why say "SuperPACs are bad and I don't have one" when the reality is that only some SuperPACs are apparently bad (coincidentally the ones supporting his opponent), and that he has received more SuperPAC support than her thus far in the primary.

By the way, do you have evidence that any of the contributors to Clinton's SuperPAC have committed any crimes? If not, why call them criminals?

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
11. Also, about that Citibank question, I'm genuinely curious. Has Citibank written a corporate
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 12:11 PM
Feb 2016

check to a Hillary SuperPAC? I would find this surprising, but I don't know one way or another.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
48. I don't know, I think some kinds of SuperPACs have to disclose their donors and some
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 12:54 PM
Feb 2016

do not. I don't know the details. A lot of the donations have been disclosed, and they have come from individuals. I haven't seen anything about a Citibank contribution, which is why I'm wondering why Citibank was mentioned in the OP.

If it's just speculation of the form "anything could have happened" I don't find it persuasive.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
33. Short answer
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 12:44 PM
Feb 2016

Some superpacs and campaign backers are better than others. A nurses union devoted to patient care and universal coverage is using their political arm to work for Bernie.

On the other hand.......


https://www.yahoo.com/politics/hillarys-financial-armada-233033648.html

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
50. That's a fair answer. Hillary's SuperPACs are funded primarily by wealthy liberals, people
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 12:57 PM
Feb 2016

like George Soros and Tom Steyer, and even though I think that the SuperPAC system is a bad one, I'm glad that wealthy liberals are willing to step up because we need all the help we can get against the GOP.

I don't think that SuperPAC support for either Bernie or Hillary indicates any sort of corruption, nor does Bernie's decision not to go with public financing. It's just political reality. You need to win elections in order to change things.

cyberswede

(26,117 posts)
9. Yep, as I said in another thread...
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 12:08 PM
Feb 2016

A nurses union ? big money interests

if Sanders is beholden to nurses due their support, it doesn't really benefit the 1% over everyone else.

there is no super PAC created solely to support Sanders’s campaign for president as there is for Clinton


{The Clintons} made historic inroads on Wall Street, pulling in at least $69 million in political contributions from the employees and PACs of banks, insurance companies, and securities and investment firms. Wealthy hedge fund managers S. Donald Sussman and David E. Shaw are among their top campaign supporters, having given more than $1 million each.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/clinton-money/

Teamster Jeff

(1,598 posts)
12. Creating a false equivalency between Union and Corporate campaign donations is GOP Spin 101
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 12:12 PM
Feb 2016

It's basically how we ended up with Citizens United.

Depaysement

(1,835 posts)
31. +1000000
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 12:43 PM
Feb 2016

Interesting how the "little people" are fighting back, though. A twenty, a five and two singles turns into $100+ million when you've got an honest candidate talking about income inequality.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
38. Ronald Reagan Dems, Citizens United Dems, David Brock Dems, Ralph Reed Dems
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 12:48 PM
Feb 2016

I'm annoyed by "but think about abortion!" as though that party faction wouldn't put it on the chopping block

stillwaiting

(3,795 posts)
13. Anyone that does reveals themselves as fighting FOR the financial elite.
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 12:12 PM
Feb 2016

And, against average Americans' interests. Period.

SamKnause

(12,972 posts)
22. The Republicans attacked the teachers.
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 12:27 PM
Feb 2016

President Obama could not find his comfortable walking shoes.

The Democratic party is attacking unions and nurses.

What a breath of fresh air Bernie is.

He walks the picket line with workers while campaigning for president and doing

his Senatorial duties.

Honorable, honest, sound judgment, dependability, and integrity are the reasons

I support Senator Bernie Sanders for president of the United States of America.

FEEL THE BERN

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
41. Well there are a lot more nurses who are women.
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 12:50 PM
Feb 2016

They probably just want those nurses to shut up and sit down oh wait never mind they want them to shut up and stop complaining about their working conditions all day on their feet, long shifts, and a high burnout rate.

turbinetree

(24,581 posts)
46. Now here is some FACTS.....................................
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 12:53 PM
Feb 2016
http://www.fec.gov/fecviewer/CandidateCommitteeDetail.do?candidateCommitteeId=P00003392&tabIndex=1


http://www.fec.gov/fecviewer/CandidateCommitteeDetail.do?&tabIndex=1&candidateCommitteeId=S4VT00033




Honk----------------------for a political revolution Bernie 2016

Democracy beings with you---------------------------tag your it

It is about getting a Progressive President, U.S. Supreme Court, Congress and State and Local Legislatures


Democracy is not a spectator sport -------------------get involved




turbinetree

(24,581 posts)
92. Your welcome FEC reports basically say everything about the money...................................
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 02:50 PM
Feb 2016

and opensecrets.org basically says how much from whom



Honk-----------------for a political revolution Bernie 2016

Democracy begins with you------------------tag your it

It is about getting a Progressive President, U.S. Supreme Court, Congress, and State and Local Legislatures


Democracy is not a spectator sport-------------------get involved




zentrum

(9,865 posts)
52. The Nurse's Union is
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 01:04 PM
Feb 2016

…one of the most socially conscious, passionate for good medical care, dedicated to our welfare groups there is! And they are not rich! At all!

You and those synonyms are 1000% correct.

last1standing

(11,709 posts)
53. Agreed. I had great respect for Dean despite his support for NoHope Hillary.
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 01:04 PM
Feb 2016

But smearing Unions for political gain is beyond the pale. He can go fuck himself, now.

It just goes to show how Wall Street corrupts politicians until they have no understanding of what is right or wrong.

last1standing

(11,709 posts)
71. Unions are not super PACs, they cannot accept dark money. To suggest otherwise is a smear.
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 01:49 PM
Feb 2016

It is also a lie.

Unions must account for every penny they collect while super PACs, like the one illegally coordinating with NoHope Hillary, can take massive anonymous "donations" and funnel the money into working for the benefactor's desires. A union can donate to, or even create, a super PAC, but it cannot be a Super PAC.

Why are you supporting Dean's outrageous lie?

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
68. It's hypocritical of a sanctimonious candidate like Sanders to denounce PAC's up until
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 01:40 PM
Feb 2016

he starts getting money from them and stops in mid-campaign.

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
74. It's stupid, is what it is.
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 01:58 PM
Feb 2016

Her sycophants, who spin her Wall Street ties, prove time and time again that they'll come up with heaps of bullshit talking points to explain away her corruption and scurrilous activities.

They lack self awareness.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
90. Ya know what? We should look at the bright side....
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 02:40 PM
Feb 2016

The product of the Hillary campaign committee is starting to look like it's coming from a bunch of newbie stoners passing a chubby made with shake.



They're all like, "Wow,...that whole super pac thing is dragging us down and Bernie has unions on his side..." [puff] "...oh, I know, let's say unions are the same thing as super pacs!"

"Got any munchables?"

Now it makes perfect sense.

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