Supported Goldwater, Six years on the Walmart board of directors, supported by Wall Street

[Feeling the Bern]

Yes, she speaks for me completely.

[cantbeserious]

1. HRC - The Best Friend The 1% Will Ever Have

eom

[reformist2]

36. From Goldwater Girl, to WalMart Woman... now to GoldmanSachs Granny.

[HooptieWagon]

2. She speaks for Kissinger.

Evidently that passes for progressive cred now.

[Metric System]

3. The Goldwater criticism is ridiculous. She was a teen from a Republican family.

[merrily]

5. She remained a Republican for years after that.

I knew better at 17 and 21 than to support Republicans. Why didn't she?

President of Young Republicans at Wellesley, in Massachusetts, one of the most liberal colleges in the country in her day.

[Metric System]

9. Elizabeth Warren was a Republican through the 80s, well into adulthood. What's her excuse?

[merrily]

14. What the hell does Warren have to do with my reply or this Presidential primary? Deflection.

[Art_from_Ark]

15. Warren's not running for President

Meanwhile, Hillary was hob-nobbing with Arkansas's richest Republicans-- Sam Walton, Don Tyson, Jackson Stephens, et al-- through the '80s.

[merrily]

4. Supported McCain over Obama in 2008

"Senator McCain and I are ready for that 3 a.m. phone call, but Senator Obama is not." or words to that effect.

Hillary to English translation: If I am not the Democratic nominee, vote for McCain, unless you really don't care if you and your loved ones are safe.

[still_one]

8. First of all she did NOT support mccain after she lost the primary. Second, Warren was a republican

for a long time, who interestingly refuses to answer if she voted for reagan or not. So what should I conclude from that?

Also, Senator Sanders has referred to Obama's presidency as weak and essentially a failure. What should I conclude from that?

[merrily]

12. First, she said what she said during the primary.

Second, why she did what she did after the primary despite what she said is another issue. I have my own theory abut that.

Third, did I miss something? What the hell does Warren have to do with my reply? Is she even running in this primary?

[still_one]

6. and Elizabeth Warren was a republican for a lot more than six years.

Interestingly she refuses to answer if she voted for Ronald Reagan. Wonder why she is uncomfortable answering that question?

[rhett o rick]

7. So what's your point? It's ok for Clinton to be in the pocket of Wall Street because......

[merrily]

16. Is Warren running in this primary or is this the official deflection gambit for this thread?

Seems to be a common theme on this thread.

[still_one]

19. Well, there are a good number here who believe Bernie should choose Warren as her VP.

[merrily]

20. So? That's either going to be Bernie's decision or a non issue--and I see no indication

that Bernie intends to appoint her or ask DU if he should appoint her.

Btw, I am not one of those 'here" whoever posted that. Yet two people replied to me about Warren. Non sequiturs that suddenly pop up all over a thread for no apparent reason seem coordinated. It's bizarre to be "replied" to twice in rapid succession about something that has nothing to do with the thread or with my post or with me or with anything I've ever posted anywhere.

And "the Lizzie did it too, only worse" defense is not impressive when you're four.

[still_one]

24. I know you aren't. Actually, your posts are mostly representative of a good dialog on the issues,

whether there is agreement or not

[Feeling the Bern]

37. Because who you vote for is secret and no one's business but yours

And Warren is not running for president. Nice slight of hand change of topic though.

[LuvLoogie]

10. Sold girl scout cookies, went Trick or Treating...

[KentuckyWoman]

11. To be fair

Goldwater would likely be a Democrat now. Yes he'd be on the farther right side of the party but the party has moved right of center. He would not find himself welcome in the Republican party. They've gone full on Hanna Barbara.

[merrily]

17. The Clintons help push the party right and now, to be fair to Hillary.....

Something is wrong with that somewhere.

[Kang Colby]

13. Gasp! You mean Hillary actually had a job within the private sector?

I realize that's hard for Bernouts to understand.

With Bernie's approach to socialism what's surprising is that he doesn't walk around in one of those Chavez-esque military costumes. Theater of the absurd, thankfully it comes to an end on March 1st, when Bernie gives his concession speech. Hillary supporters realize there is much more at stake for our country than free pizza.

[Old Codger]

22. My my my

Aren't you special.....

[Feeling the Bern]

33. Next time DUers talk about Walmart, I'll remember this post and say

DU members support the community destroying, immigrant abusing, underpaying and labor destruction of Walmart.

[mikehiggins]

44. Aww, you're just silly

[Art_from_Ark]

54. Hillary's job in the private sector was as a corporate lawyer

who defended utility companies against residential ratepayers.

[NanceGreggs]

18. Is it recycling day again already?

Still, I'm glad you posted it for the brazilionth time for those who might not have seen it before.

It's an important issue that I'm sure the average voter is thinking about 24/7.

[sheshe2]

25. HA!

[NanceGreggs]

28. I hope, I hope, I hope ...

... that the "she voted for the Iraq War" posts are up next in the loop.

NO ONE has ever heard that one before! It will come as a complete shock to millions!

[sheshe2]

30. I await with baited breath.

The new news is staggering. Have you heard she is a staunch Goldwater girl!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 16 years old. I am shocked and outraged.

[NanceGreggs]

35. Just WAIT until everyone finds out ...

... that Elizabeth Warren was a Republican well into her forties.

Heads will explode.

[sheshe2]

38. Sssssssh~

[mcar]

58. Did you know she cussed out a SS agent once?

[sheshe2]

26. Welcome to DU Dante!

Lol is right. Or should I say correct.

[Iggy Knorr]

32. Welcoming mccain supporters

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511163016#post26

[sheshe2]

39. Actually they made a great post about Hillary.

Much ado about Hillary Rodham's actions at 16 years of age LOL

Born: October 26, 1947

In 1964: 16 years old when she helped Barry Goldwater. (she wasn't quite 17 yet )

In her junior year of college, Hillary Rodham became a supporter of the antiwar presidential nomination campaign of Democrat Eugene McCarthy.

So wow! She must be a right winger.

Then we have a reality check: The Right Wing hate Hillary almost as much as the left wing does. I'd call that progressive politics

I am to know all that is posted on DU? Seriously?

Yeah, get it, you hate Hillary.

[Iggy Knorr]

41. strange bedfellows is all i'm saying

Go "Dems"

for what it's worth I agree with you that it's unfair to go after Hillary for this. She clearly is a democrat her entire adult life, and this is a weak attack on her.

[Indepatriot]

23. There's a special place in hell for any man that would support her....

[Quixote1818]

27. Have you seen this?

[leftofcool]

52. Except that Bernie didn't march with MLK. He wasn't in Selma.

Google it.

[sheshe2]

64. Debunked,

That ain't Bernie. Google it.

[HassleCat]

31. She was awfully young

I did some stupid things at that age. Almost voted for Nixon in 1972. I literally had the pencil in the air and moved it to McGovern at the last possible second. Pure instinct. Can't claim good judgment or anything like that.

[Feeling the Bern]

34. Explain her being in bed with Sam Walton in the 1980s.

[HassleCat]

40. That's the DLC strategy

I know it's not a good thing. In fact, I would say it's a bad idea, generally, for Democratic candidates to have close associations with the corporate power structure. It should be a general rule for us not to serve on BODs of anything but non-profits, cooperatives, charities, etc. And I would cast a jaundiced eye on some of those. But the DLC strategy included specific ways to cozy up to particular segments of corporate America to get campaign money for Democratic candidates. The idea was to court relationships with businesses that were good corporate citizens, or at least not bad corporate citizens.

The problem is, this is a highly subjective determination, as illustrated by the mixed record of WalMart. They do good things and bad things, and we can argue all day about whether or not the good outweighs the bad. The Clintons and Democrats who subscribe to the DLC blueprint justify their associations by arguing that some relationships with some businesses are necessary to get money to be elected. If we rejected WalMart and Wall street money, we would have to rely on small donors, and virtually no Democrats would be elected at the national level. We pledge to accept their money and treat them the same as we would treat anyone else. If you believe that, I will gladly sell you my bridge, but that's the official party line, if you will excuse the pun. I don't know what it's called now that there is no DLC, but the basic principle is still going strong.

So the general position of our party for 35 years has been, "Choose your brand of corruption. Ours is far less harmful than theirs." I know that's a cynical way to put it, but a case can actually be made for the underlying premise. If we reject the truly evil, and associate only with the not-so-bad, we can still act in the public interest some of the time. This is better than abandoning the field to the Republicans, who will trample the public interest at every opportunity. Sam Walton is seen as one of the not-so-bad. And he's important in the Clintons' home state, so maybe they can't afford to say no to him, which kid of brings the argument around full circle, doesn't it?

[Iggy Knorr]

43. I agree its unfair to go after her for her Goldwater associations as a minor

There are plenty more substantial criticisms that can be levelled at her than her Goldwater girl archive photography

[Feeling the Bern]

51. Fine. . .on the board with notorious union buster and worker exploiter Sam Walton

Let's go into that for a while.

[delrem]

48. No. At that age a person is politically aware.

Not expected to be stupid.
There's no credible argument that Hillary Clinton has ever been "stupid" in any sense of the word.

I'm of the same age group as Hillary Clinton. Back then, there's no way I'd have gone in the direction that Hillary took. Goldwater was not cool. That's just not in the realm of possibility.

[mikehiggins]

42. Kissinger likes her. Isn't that enough?

By their friends you shall know them.

[delrem]

46. How would you put the overlap of "likes"

for Cheney and/or for Kissinger?
Is there much room for nuance?

[delrem]

45. It's the Goldwater, Kagan, Kissinger, side of her that I really love.

I love how Hillary Clinton is so totally neocon.

I think it gives her credibility, electability, and "most qualified ever!" status.

[Ino]

47. Who is Hillary?

Even she is not sure...

[delrem]

49. If the Dems run with Hillary Clinton

then they will do so knowingly.

If she wins, there will be no reckoning. No claims that we expected "ponies". There will be harsh dictates.

[Art_from_Ark]

50. And a corporate lawyer who helped overturn a citizen initiative in my home state

My champion!

[Vogon_Glory]

53. Hello? Calling the Commisars of Political Purity!

Here's a heads-up to some of DU's self-appointed Commisars of Political Purity. A lot of people here are wised-up former Republicans who took much longer to see the light than did Hillary Rodham Clinton.

Also, a lot of us may admire Bernie and admire many of his proposals. We're supporting HRC not because we're secret members of some dark Koch cable but because we're realists. Hillary Clinton has support among minority voters that Senator Sanders lacks, and NO Democrat is going to get elected solely on the strength of a bunch of white college kids, or even on the strength of white and East-Asian college kids.

And another thing. Have you guys bothered to look at places like Kansas, Wisconsin, and Indiana and the hard, hard roads Democrats are facing if they hope to turn those places Blue again?

Think how infinitely harder it would be for a Progressive Presidential candidate in 2020 or 2024 if you and your friends sit on the sidelines this November and allow a President Trumpor a President Cruz to get inaugurated, pack the federal courts, and gut what's left of the welfare state and environmental protections.

A Clinton win would still allow for a progressive Democratic candidate to succeed her, PARTICULARLY if the Tea-publican long-term political death spiral continues.

[Feeling the Bern]

55. Her vote for the Iraq war disqualified her completely in my eyes.

Don't spin it any other way. Her vote is on the record and she is proud of it.

[Vogon_Glory]

56. Nominations and Cold Novembers

You might be facing an HRC nomination if she wins enough delegates this November. Are you willing to vote for her in November, or will you sit on the sidelines and let a President Trump, a President Cruz, or a President Rubio win by default and blast the dreams of tens of Americans here in the USA and the dreams of hundreds of millions across the planet? Out of pique?

I was a Hillary supporter in 2009. I fell in behind Barrack Obama when he won our party's nomination. Would you do the same if Hillary wins the primaries?

There was an old Marxist-Leninist term that still has meaning in these times: "politically immature." IMO, the Bernie fans who shout Bernie or nothing!" are prime examples of political immaturity today.

[Feeling the Bern]

59. No. I will vote against the Republican, not for her. But people will misinterpret my vote

as a vote for the Democrat. My vote will be a protest vote against the Republican when I vote for the Democrat.

[Vogon_Glory]

60. If it makes you feel better

I know we profoundly disagree, but if it makes you feel better, I remember my parents talking about voting for candidates and then feeling like they'd have to get sick afterwards.

I live in a red state. Every year it looks like the good guys have been knocked further and further backwards. That's why I have little sympathy for non-voters.

[Feeling the Bern]

61. Arizona here.

If HRC is the nominee, I will vote for her holding my nose and trying not to throw up

[Vogon_Glory]

62. Be of good cheer

Be of good cheer. Unlike Texas, it looks like this might be the first time in ages that your state might flip from red to blue in the presidential race.

[Floridanow]

57. Clinton has openly.

Stated that she was a republican as a teen and college student. Her father was a avid republican. But Clinton became a relentless fighter for rights later in college, as a young woman, and all of her involvement with politics. It is sad when people insist that a person can't change for the better. Some of today's conservatives were once young, passionate liberals. Ronald Reagan was a democrat as a young man and into his thirties.

[amborin]

63. Lies about TPP, Promotes Exxon's interests wordlwide, Votes with Republicans......