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After seeing huge stadiums over packed with Bernie believers, I don't put (Original Post) BigBearJohn Feb 2016 OP
True. Look at that crowd! This candidate will go ALL THE WAY! onehandle Feb 2016 #1
You'll see BigBearJohn Feb 2016 #2
Wait, I thought Bernie was the anti-authoritarian ... ucrdem Feb 2016 #8
You do what you want. My vote goes with the man who BigBearJohn Feb 2016 #10
The "only going after one street" talking point is destined for the.... Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2016 #24
Because the American People... daleanime Feb 2016 #3
LOL you must be desperate, bringing up Nader! Avalux Feb 2016 #21
What does Nader have to do with this? Lordquinton Feb 2016 #23
Nader chose to be a spoiler and Jenny_92808 Feb 2016 #31
I didn't watch greiner3 Feb 2016 #33
"..why isn't she filling huge stadiums with her followers?" yourout Feb 2016 #4
LMAO BigBearJohn Feb 2016 #6
.remind you of anyone? BigBearJohn Feb 2016 #7
THIS ^^^ wyldwolf Feb 2016 #5
Dean lost badly in Iowa gyroscope Feb 2016 #12
and this ucrdem Feb 2016 #13
The most Paul ever got was about 8,000 and he didn't have nearly the same Fawke Em Feb 2016 #26
Rallies are exciting but can also be misleading 21st Century Poet Feb 2016 #9
And that explains why Hillarys rallies are so huge? BigBearJohn Feb 2016 #11
and that explains why MOST candidates win WITHOUT big rallies? wyldwolf Feb 2016 #14
From what I see... Jenny_92808 Feb 2016 #34
What cheating from my side? Serious charge. You sound desperate. wyldwolf Feb 2016 #36
Didn't Obama have big rallies? Glamrock Feb 2016 #51
Yes. wyldwolf Feb 2016 #57
It might 21st Century Poet Feb 2016 #15
Not likely. Jenny_92808 Feb 2016 #37
and another desperate cheating accusation. How sad. wyldwolf Feb 2016 #39
What makes you think he didn't? Or do you doubt The Des Moines Register? Ford_Prefect Feb 2016 #18
I traveled six hours to see Bernie Pastiche423 Feb 2016 #48
I want to see a Hillary rally of 15,000 people, to prove she can do it Dems to Win Feb 2016 #16
You don't need big rallies when your owners also Ron Green Feb 2016 #17
There's $2,700 reasons why she's not. NorthCarolina Feb 2016 #19
WhatdafuxamatterU? Her supporters are at the country club. Hoppy Feb 2016 #20
They heard the unedited version so they know what to expect from her. Ford_Prefect Feb 2016 #22
And the supporters might have to be next to one of those kind of people. You know them. LiberalArkie Feb 2016 #38
I think you make Jenny_92808 Feb 2016 #41
Because it will look like this.... Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2016 #25
That's about the size of the 3rd way support Hydra Feb 2016 #49
She's filling huge bank accounts instead. nt valerief Feb 2016 #27
I wonder if that's still true? It may be a big surprise when the first quarter results come out. n/t A Simple Game Feb 2016 #32
Go Bernie! Jenny_92808 Feb 2016 #40
BigBearJohn, I think you have a valid point. Enthusiast Feb 2016 #28
thanks BigBearJohn Feb 2016 #47
She hasn't been doing large rallies. They have purposely done small gatherings and town halls. n/t Lucinda Feb 2016 #29
Oh, FFS! There's a difference between a "rally" and a "town hall" meeting. NurseJackie Feb 2016 #30
Yeah, completely understandable for any that want to pay attention. And you're right about listening A Simple Game Feb 2016 #35
Yes Warren DeMontague Feb 2016 #42
Hillary is bought Jenny_92808 Feb 2016 #44
but iowa ended up pretty much tied. So large rallies didn't JI7 Feb 2016 #43
Sanders lost Iowa, Obama won it convincingly in 2008. stevenleser Feb 2016 #45
I don't understand the pulsing of Hillary's head.... Jenny_92808 Feb 2016 #46
Well if that's the case why did Sanders lose Iowa? n/t asuhornets Feb 2016 #50
Assuming he did actually lose Iowa mikehiggins Feb 2016 #52
'lose' ? Databuser Feb 2016 #53
Here is the SMOKING GUN! / How Hillary put her foot in her mouth sabuthefuture Feb 2016 #54
Because she's been busy doing them at... pinebox Feb 2016 #55
today Bernie had 1200, Hillary had 300 at their respective rally grasswire Feb 2016 #56

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
8. Wait, I thought Bernie was the anti-authoritarian ...
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 02:16 PM
Feb 2016

but we're supposed to put blind faith in a leader? And rise up against an unspecified address in lower Manhattan?

Surely you see the problem?

BigBearJohn

(11,410 posts)
10. You do what you want. My vote goes with the man who
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 02:24 PM
Feb 2016

spent his whole life in service of his fellow man

Lordquinton

(7,886 posts)
23. What does Nader have to do with this?
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 04:24 PM
Feb 2016

Can you stay at least related to the topic? it gets so confusing with all this unrelated stuff being brought in.

 

Jenny_92808

(1,342 posts)
31. Nader chose to be a spoiler and
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 04:41 PM
Feb 2016

look what they gave us. Evil and Harm to this country and the world!

 

gyroscope

(1,443 posts)
12. Dean lost badly in Iowa
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 02:28 PM
Feb 2016

his campaign fizzled out and died shortly afterwards.

Sanders is going much further than Dean ever did in 2004, and his support is only growing.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
26. The most Paul ever got was about 8,000 and he didn't have nearly the same
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 04:29 PM
Feb 2016

number of big rallies.

Wrong answer.

21st Century Poet

(254 posts)
9. Rallies are exciting but can also be misleading
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 02:23 PM
Feb 2016

Rallies are great for generating excitement but one cannot read too much into them. First of all, there are always more people in any state who did not attend any rallies but will vote anyway than there are people who got so engaged in the political process that they bothered going to rallies rallies.

Secondly, there are people who will attend a rally just to hear what a politician has to say but then vote for someone else. There are those who will attend the rally but then are unable or unwilling to go out and vote and there are those who go rallies because they have nothing better to do and see it as a good night out.

If rallies won elections, Bernie Sanders would have won outright in Iowa. The fact that he didn't should serve as a check on how much we read into rallies.

 

Jenny_92808

(1,342 posts)
34. From what I see...
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 04:53 PM
Feb 2016

The people who are for the people will have to overcome the cheating from your side. So sad.

wyldwolf

(43,867 posts)
57. Yes.
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 07:11 AM
Feb 2016




Didn't GW Bush? No.
Didn't Bill Clinton? uh uh
HW? Hardly
Reagan? A few folks here and there.
Carter? zip



Operative word: MOST

21st Century Poet

(254 posts)
15. It might
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 02:38 PM
Feb 2016

The size of her rallies might be explained thus: Maybe Hillary supporters are the loyal but unexcitable type. They will go out to vote for her but they will not bother with attending her rallies.

Keep in mind that at the end of the day, it is votes which are counted and not the number of people at rallies. I hope that all the people attending Sanders's rallies will vote for him and work to get others to vote for him but Iowa has showed us that large rallies are not enough.

Getting out the vote is the single, most important thing.

Ford_Prefect

(7,905 posts)
18. What makes you think he didn't? Or do you doubt The Des Moines Register?
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 04:12 PM
Feb 2016
If rallies won elections, Bernie Sanders would have won outright in Iowa. The fact that he didn't should serve as a check on how much we read into rallies.

Pastiche423

(15,406 posts)
48. I traveled six hours to see Bernie
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 11:18 PM
Feb 2016

Many of the 28,000 people that also attended did not live in the city where the rally was held. (According to the sign-in sheets.)

It is too nonsensical to believe that even a third of them were just looking for a good night out.

I will never forget the feeling of excitement and elation I felt while listening to him and the responses of the crowd.

 

Dems to Win

(2,161 posts)
16. I want to see a Hillary rally of 15,000 people, to prove she can do it
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 02:51 PM
Feb 2016

I'd feel better about the possibility of her being the nominee if I could see just one Hillary rally with 15,000 or 20,000 excited people. I saw a report that she had a rally of 2,600 people and that was her biggest crowd of her entire campaign.

She had 4 women senators in NH yesterday and the crowd was described as small but excited. Sounds like kind of a waste to me, to have so many prominent women appear with her but not at an enormous event.

Let's see a huge Hillary rally.

Ron Green

(9,823 posts)
17. You don't need big rallies when your owners also
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 03:41 PM
Feb 2016

own the Teevee. Most people won't leave home unless it's to go to work or some leisure activity. The rest of the time it's television.

 

Hoppy

(3,595 posts)
20. WhatdafuxamatterU? Her supporters are at the country club.
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 04:14 PM
Feb 2016

They don't have time for rallies. Their money bought their candidate the election so they don't have to show up in line with sweaty people to hear what Hillary has to say. They paid for her speech so they already know what she stand for --- and it ain't you and me.

Ford_Prefect

(7,905 posts)
22. They heard the unedited version so they know what to expect from her.
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 04:20 PM
Feb 2016

"All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others". And we all know the exact price of that greater equality, don't we?

LiberalArkie

(15,719 posts)
38. And the supporters might have to be next to one of those kind of people. You know them.
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 04:55 PM
Feb 2016

The ones who did not go to a proper school. The ones without the metal name plate on their office door, that kind of people.

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
49. That's about the size of the 3rd way support
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 01:44 AM
Feb 2016

The problem though is that the money they bring could fill that entire stadium to the roof.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
30. Oh, FFS! There's a difference between a "rally" and a "town hall" meeting.
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 04:39 PM
Feb 2016


One of the biggest differences is: Bernie preaches at "rallies" ... Hillary listens at "town-hall" meetings.

A Simple Game

(9,214 posts)
35. Yeah, completely understandable for any that want to pay attention. And you're right about listening
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 04:53 PM
Feb 2016

they say you can hear a pin drop at Hillary's town hall events, can't do that at a Bernie rally can you? That and a rally with only 200 people would just look stupid, wouldn't it?

But it's not a competition FFS ... wait never mind, it is a competition.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
45. Sanders lost Iowa, Obama won it convincingly in 2008.
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 05:14 PM
Feb 2016

Iowa was demographically tailor made for Sanders, its Demographics worked against Obama, making the difference even more striking.

The next President will have a Republican held House of Representatives at least through the first six years of their term and likely all eight years. That GOP House will pass nothing trans-formative.

I really wish we were all working on reality. This conversation would be much easier.

 

Jenny_92808

(1,342 posts)
46. I don't understand the pulsing of Hillary's head....
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 05:17 PM
Feb 2016

when she speaks. nod, nod, nod, nod, nod, nod!

I think Bernie speaks for us and Hillary does not, she just pretends.


mikehiggins

(5,614 posts)
52. Assuming he did actually lose Iowa
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 02:18 AM
Feb 2016

when the campaign started how much of a lead did he have to overcome to catch up with the supposedly dominant political faction in the Democratic Party? Especially when the person in charge in Iowa was a former Clinton campaign official who boasted Hillary license plates on her car.

HRC won six straight coin tosses that night? Clearly God is on her side, right? Must have really pissed Cruz off.

 

Databuser

(58 posts)
53. 'lose' ?
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 02:19 AM
Feb 2016

Senator Sanders fought the Establishment to a DRAW - right outa the gate....That ain't a loss.

sabuthefuture

(5 posts)
54. Here is the SMOKING GUN! / How Hillary put her foot in her mouth
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 02:23 AM
Feb 2016

Hillary Clinton debate with Bernie Sanders February 5, 2016

“There is this attack that he is putting out, which really comes down to, anybody who took donations or speaking fees from any interest group has to be bought,” she said. “And I just absolutely reject that, senator. And I really don’t think these attacks by insinuation and innuendo are worthy of you. Enough is enough. If you’ve got something to say, say it directly.”

Maureen Dowd Feb6, 2016 / Hillary Battles Bernie Sanders, Chick Magnet

"When Hillary accused Sanders during the debate of doing an “artful smear” on her, charging him with insinuating that she engaged in pay-for-play with Wall Street, drug companies and other special interests, some Republicans predicted that the moment would go down as a Gary Hart-style challenge that would come back to haunt her."

SMOKING GUN: Please listen to the middle of the video below about 12 minutes in and pay close attention to what Ms. Elizabeth Warren says in 2004. Keep in mind several times Hilary Clinton has put forth the idea that no one could show how receipt of donations towards her campaign have had any effect upon her voting record.



https://www.americarisingpac.org/flashback-elizabeth-warren-on-clinton-she-can-be-bought/

Hillary Clinton accused Bernie of insinuation and innuendo rather than speaking the truth. She accused him of playing games rather than being forthright. This video is the SMOKING GUN showing Bernie was being honest, not polite or disingenuous. She asked Bernie to basically present your evidence or shut-up. It was a challenge and the question is whether Bernie really believes he is the one who can lead this nation back to its goal of justice and opportunity for all. By everyone calling Bernie a socialist, or saying he does not have the experience to lead a nation as she has, critics demonstrate their ignorance. First by not understanding history that President Franklin Roosevelt also could be considered a socialist getting legislation passed like social security, unemployment insurance, and the New Deal. Yes, Hillary has had the experience in government and look at her track record. She voted for the Iraq war and proved when Secretary of State that she was not prepared for regime change. The loss of civilian lives of a half million and our brave soldiers’ lives of almost 6,500 is the cost of her judgment and proof that experience matters little if someone does not have the wisdom to make good decisions and policies as Bernie Sanders’ record does in government. Plus you need to look at Hillary’s voting record on Gay, civil rights, and women’s rights in contrast to Bernie’s, and not just for the last few years. When Bernie finishes office as President of the United States and has restored faith in government, equal opportunity to all, a level of economic and social justice so as to set an example for the rest of the world, then it will be time for “Statespersons” like Senator Elizabeth Warren or Patricia Scott Schroeder who served in the House of Representatives from 1973 to 1997 to serve in this position. Now these are only two of the several women capable of being a good president who have the integrity, the character, judgment, and the fortitude that would make any US citizen proud. Hillary’s history as demonstrated by her actions demonstrates she is a true politician, one who puts her finger in the air and depending which way the wind is blowing, says what the citizenship would like to hear.

You need to read in the Huffington Post the article
Franklin D. Roosevelt: Socialist or "Champion of Freedom"?

04/23/2012 02:44 pm ET | Updated Jun 23, 2012 David Woolner

I have no need for any credit. This is a news story dedicated to all those in the media dedicated to tell the truth and the too many reporters throughout the world who have lost their lives just doing their job. The media that print this information are demonstrating they have integrity and are not in the pockets of special interests groups that have so much to lose if Bernie Sanders becomes President. His only special interest group that he is obliged to listen to is the average American citizen which includes about 90% of the people whether Democrat, Republican, or Independent who own as much as the other 1%.

MOST IMPORTANT IS PLEASE COPY THIS AND GET THIS TO EVERY PERSON ON YOUR MAILING LIST, TO EVERY NEWS ORGANIZATION, BLOG, THROUGHOUT THE WORLD. MOST NEWS ORGANIZATIONS WILL NEVER PRINT ANYTHING LIKE THIS AS THEY KNOW WHO PUTS THE BUTTER ON THEIR BREAD. BERNIE IS THEIR WORST NIGHTMARE AND TO BERNIE: “PLEASE BE SAFE”. THOSE IN POWER WILL GET DESPERATE AND THIS IS NO TIME TO UNDERESTIMATE THEIR INSANITY.

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