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"Sanders is 'astounded' by Clinton hires" (Original Post) berniepdx420 Feb 2016 OP
if he can't handle Clinton, he is going to get destroyed by the Republicans. ProudToBeLiberal Feb 2016 #1
I`m curious.... democrank Feb 2016 #3
Excellent question n/t TubbersUK Feb 2016 #5
I am happy he is on our side. His talents are undeniable. ProudToBeLiberal Feb 2016 #9
He's not on the "good side" from where I'm standing. myrna minx Feb 2016 #18
Your side isn't mine. I'm on the side of the good, not the side of lesser evil. n/t Betty Karlson Feb 2016 #19
+ 1000000000000 !!!!!!!!!!! orpupilofnature57 Feb 2016 #26
^^What she said^^ InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2016 #28
^^^THIS^^^ beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #29
Our side doesn't have to vote against a Republican, we have a Democratic Socialist to vote for. n/t A Simple Game Feb 2016 #31
Yes! +1 Matariki Feb 2016 #60
I was thinking the same thing. MuseRider Feb 2016 #88
When he attacks Bernie, he is not on the good side... Bohemianwriter Feb 2016 #46
David Brock is on the good side? pinebox Feb 2016 #49
Oh hooray! He's on "our" side! JackRiddler Feb 2016 #56
+420 berniepdx420 Feb 2016 #82
You admire a human skuzbucket that rejoices in hurting people? kristopher Feb 2016 #64
Birds of a feather. n/t Hydra Feb 2016 #111
Actually, Sanders has been presenting Thom Hartmann/BernieFan talking points R B Garr Feb 2016 #50
I don't consider Kissinger or Brock's backgrounds internet fueled Kittycat Feb 2016 #52
LMAO, of course if I don't believe the internet conspiracies, then you question my "standing.' R B Garr Feb 2016 #53
She vacations with him Kittycat Feb 2016 #54
Most of the Google hits about that are INTERNET-fueled outrage. R B Garr Feb 2016 #55
Have you ever read a history book? JackRiddler Feb 2016 #58
Did you hear Bernie say that he would consult a Reagan advisor on foreign policy? R B Garr Feb 2016 #59
You can't even name the supposed miscreant? JackRiddler Feb 2016 #61
Hilarious, but this is typical of the holier-than-thou responses. Bernie was on This Week R B Garr Feb 2016 #62
You didn't look it up. JackRiddler Feb 2016 #63
I just saw it on Google. Sanders mentioned him on more than one show. R B Garr Feb 2016 #65
You still can't name a name. JackRiddler Feb 2016 #66
I was just reading some of his entries. Easily found with a Google search. R B Garr Feb 2016 #67
if you can toss off kissinger then you have roguevalley Feb 2016 #68
LOL @ the endless superiority. That's really all you have. R B Garr Feb 2016 #72
Back up the claim or stop making it. JackRiddler Feb 2016 #74
You don't understand the basic rules of making claims. JackRiddler Feb 2016 #73
George Stephanolopous has a real show. It's called This Week. R B Garr Feb 2016 #79
please provide a link to this info... thanks berniepdx420 Feb 2016 #85
Google it. It's the first thing that comes up. There are threads here about it. R B Garr Feb 2016 #86
That's not how it works around here .. your ideas will be disregarded if you don't provide a link berniepdx420 Feb 2016 #89
No, it's your choice. There is more than one item about it, and I'm not your assistant. R B Garr Feb 2016 #93
Finally we agree... I am blocking you as we speak... enjoy your life berniepdx420 Feb 2016 #94
"Hillary Clinton and Henry Kissinger: It's Personal. Very Personal." berniepdx420 Feb 2016 #84
LOL, that is very important for Sanders to remind the internet warriors. R B Garr Feb 2016 #90
If war and peace and the spilling blood of your fellow Americans and innocent others then yes this berniepdx420 Feb 2016 #92
I already know you are superior, as this is about your own version of Good vs. Evil, R B Garr Feb 2016 #97
You're not evil! earthshine Feb 2016 #112
What, you really think the U.S. invaded Indochina and murdered two million people? JackRiddler Feb 2016 #57
LMAO, this is why I wouldn't waste my time. Further discussion with this is pointless. R B Garr Feb 2016 #81
Jesus, are you even capable of reading? JackRiddler Feb 2016 #103
Yes, JackRIDDLER is back with more insults. R B Garr Feb 2016 #105
And you can't back up your claims with a simple link. JackRiddler Feb 2016 #108
less than intelligent response... pure obfuscation berniepdx420 Feb 2016 #83
Yeah, I feel the same about Russian TV talking points. R B Garr Feb 2016 #107
Yeah because the history of the war ciminal Kissinger is a "conspiracy theory"... AOR Feb 2016 #95
What I said was that it is mostly internet flame warriors who Sanders is talking to..... R B Garr Feb 2016 #98
The truth matters regardless of internet flame wars... AOR Feb 2016 #99
People know that your "truth" isn't someone elses's 'truth". It's all how you R B Garr Feb 2016 #101
Completely made up, that Vietnam thing. JackRiddler Feb 2016 #109
You know he's not reading anything you write, yes? nt earthshine Feb 2016 #113
The truth that Kissinger is a war criminal who caused death and destruction.... AOR Feb 2016 #110
Brock, who admitted lying about Anita Hill, is NOT child's play. Divernan Feb 2016 #4
Says a lot about her character. PoliticalMalcontent Feb 2016 #16
I wonder whose idea it was in 2008 for the assassination remark about Obama? PonyUp Feb 2016 #27
A fighter who kvetches ejbr Feb 2016 #7
David Brock is someone the Republicans would bring Lordquinton Feb 2016 #8
Bernie is already taking care of Rove. erlewyne Feb 2016 #14
It's true!! Bernie has never been under fire like Hillary has.. dubyadiprecession Feb 2016 #15
The Republicans are going to give this naive man a heart attack!! AlbertCat Feb 2016 #20
"Bernie has never been under fire like Hillary has" greymouse Feb 2016 #33
That's not a negative. tazkcmo Feb 2016 #39
!!!!! JonLeibowitz Feb 2016 #51
my baby was under real sniper fire at the same time roguevalley Feb 2016 #70
That's why its important to have friends like Kissinger & Brock on your side. raouldukelives Feb 2016 #36
He's certainly never been under sniper fire like Hillary has. n/t winter is coming Feb 2016 #91
LOl...You do understand how silly you sound right? Katashi_itto Feb 2016 #22
there's a difference between whining and pointing out your opponent is lying down with dogs greymouse Feb 2016 #32
"Handle" Clinton? chervilant Feb 2016 #34
If he's even in a position to get "destroyed" by the Repubs in a few months, Broward Feb 2016 #38
since when is answering a question whining? and calling out someone for who they are "whining?" magical thyme Feb 2016 #40
you don't understand ethos NJCher Feb 2016 #41
Here is an example of comments NJCher Feb 2016 #42
The Clinton campaign has already.... Bohemianwriter Feb 2016 #44
Oh please spare us. Avalux Feb 2016 #48
He's handling Clinton quite well, thanks. frylock Feb 2016 #69
Bernie shouldn`t be "astounded" by anything Hillary Clinton does. democrank Feb 2016 #2
I was very surprised by David Brock mdbl Feb 2016 #6
My favorite bit was how they created fake scandal noise. IdaBriggs Feb 2016 #12
Sure sounds familiar...Current, in Fact! KoKo Feb 2016 #45
note to self: read "Blinded by the Right" snagglepuss Feb 2016 #25
Be sure to get it from one of those Socialist libraries instead of purchasing it corkhead Feb 2016 #37
It is a very interesting book, and it's sad to see him resurrecting those techniques n/t arcane1 Feb 2016 #77
As the HRC supporter says, they're the identical sleazy Republican tactics to be expected in the GE. delrem Feb 2016 #10
She is running like a traditional pol from the last decade. Bernie is running a new media campaign peacebird Feb 2016 #21
I'm not astounded Laughing Mirror Feb 2016 #11
Well, at least it shows Hillary has the capacity to forgive I guess? EmperorHasNoClothes Feb 2016 #13
When you find a good mud slinger.. monicaangela Feb 2016 #24
That sound of a concerned parent, i am okay with, this is BERNIE nolabels Feb 2016 #17
Reminds me of an old saying I've heard..... monicaangela Feb 2016 #23
Heh. Some od the comments under your OP are a hoot. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2016 #30
Perfect! peacebird Feb 2016 #76
It's not easy for a person of honesty and integrity like Senator Sanders... 99Forever Feb 2016 #35
But yet madokie Feb 2016 #43
Summary please? Can't play videos where I am (and this isn't the video and multimedia forum) (n/t) thesquanderer Feb 2016 #47
Jake Tapper asks Bernie Sanders about David Brock Eric J in MN Feb 2016 #102
I don't think anybody who hires Tad Devine as his campaign manager Blue_Tires Feb 2016 #71
Why? Does he have a history as a putrid, hateful repub attack dog? cali Feb 2016 #75
He's carried water for some highly questionable people Blue_Tires Feb 2016 #80
Lol. Hill carried water for Corzine cali Feb 2016 #87
No links? Blue_Tires Feb 2016 #96
If you are someone who decides who to vote for based on a cali Feb 2016 #100
But I didn't *SAY* Devine and Brock are similar, did I? Blue_Tires Feb 2016 #106
Silly analogy. Beacool Feb 2016 #104
K&R liberal_at_heart Feb 2016 #78
Well, now I know how to defuse a sticky set of facts. leftupnorth Feb 2016 #114

ProudToBeLiberal

(3,964 posts)
1. if he can't handle Clinton, he is going to get destroyed by the Republicans.
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 06:22 AM
Feb 2016

David Brock is childs play compared to what the Republicans will bring. Karl Rove will eat him alive . This is one of the reasons I support Hillary Clinton. She is a fighter who has a history of standing up and beating Republicans. She's a fighter. I can't believe Sanders is whining about Brock. Is he serious?

democrank

(11,112 posts)
3. I`m curious....
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 06:26 AM
Feb 2016

In Brock`s past life, when he was playing dirty tricks against Democrats, did you call their responses to him...whining?

ProudToBeLiberal

(3,964 posts)
9. I am happy he is on our side. His talents are undeniable.
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 06:53 AM
Feb 2016

Media Matters has been a godsend in countering the lies of right wing media like Fox News. People conviently forget what he has down for our community after he turned to the good side.

 

Bohemianwriter

(978 posts)
46. When he attacks Bernie, he is not on the good side...
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 10:35 AM
Feb 2016

But nothing but a dirty slimeball who should be discredited for good.



 

pinebox

(5,761 posts)
49. David Brock is on the good side?
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 11:44 AM
Feb 2016

No sorry he isn't. He is on the same side and always has been, wherever the money goes, Brock smears follow. A tiger doesn't change its stripes

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
56. Oh hooray! He's on "our" side!
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 02:01 PM
Feb 2016

Hell, I'm also happy Goldman Sachs is on "our" side! And Monsanto! And Saudi Arabia! Also Henry Kissinger! And billionaires galore - Bloomberg's got our back if the commies should take over the party! All on OUR side! Powerful allies! Hooray! Go, Brock! Beat Rove! We can win the championship! GO OUR SIDE!!!

R B Garr

(16,994 posts)
50. Actually, Sanders has been presenting Thom Hartmann/BernieFan talking points
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 12:54 PM
Feb 2016

with his bringing up Kissinger and now Brock. That's all internet flame war idiocy. Most people aren't going to give a crap about what a 90-something-year-old used to do and now what some generally obscure backstory figure used to do.

I'm surprised at the conspiracy theory, internet-fueled nothingness of Sanders "concerns". Wonder how many blogs he posts to, lol.

Kittycat

(10,493 posts)
52. I don't consider Kissinger or Brock's backgrounds internet fueled
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 01:12 PM
Feb 2016

Internet fueled conspiracies. Speaking as an informed Democrat and mother of two boys, yes, their background is an issue to me. HRC attaching herself to them, is a greater concern for me as a party member. And any fellow democrat dismissing it, makes me call in to question their true standing within the party.

R B Garr

(16,994 posts)
53. LMAO, of course if I don't believe the internet conspiracies, then you question my "standing.'
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 01:26 PM
Feb 2016

How self-serving. But typical. I also question yours if you think that the Republicans aren't going to attack Democrats mercilessly, so by all means, let's pick the lambs who are the least effective.

Clinton explained her interest in Kissinger in a few short sentences. You do realize that few people have the luxury of hating on their predecessors in any job or in any type of professional setting. Only truly out of touch or unaccountable people can diss former employers or acquaintances and most people know that and understand that. I doubt you are teaching your boys to curse and spit on people with whom they disagree. Lots of people here encourage that kind of behavior against your political enemies, but that's not reality and most people know that. It's a luxury few people could afford to do, but it sure sounds good on the internet.

And your response is full of morality, which is another hallmark of the Sanders responses. lol.

Kittycat

(10,493 posts)
54. She vacations with him
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 01:50 PM
Feb 2016

Don't sugar coat it. Don't gloss over what she is. If you support her, embrace all the ugly that she is. Including the Iraq War and all thst follows. Big money included. I don't give two shits how dirty the republicans hands get. I do care how dirty my candidate is, and whether they're calling it out. I don't support a republican in a blue coat, but you feel free. Because that is exactly what she is. Enjoy.

R B Garr

(16,994 posts)
55. Most of the Google hits about that are INTERNET-fueled outrage.
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 01:58 PM
Feb 2016

That's what I meant about Sanders mostly using BenieFan INTERNET-fueled talking points. The man is 92-YEARS-OLD. She explained why she was interested in his viewpoints.

Most people aren't going to care about these INTERNET flame wars.

And yet more superiority in your post, although we hear these are the "issues". LOL,

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
58. Have you ever read a history book?
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 02:05 PM
Feb 2016

You know, one of those things with a binding and printed pages?

Do you have any idea whom you are talking about?

Shameful.

R B Garr

(16,994 posts)
59. Did you hear Bernie say that he would consult a Reagan advisor on foreign policy?
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 02:07 PM
Feb 2016

He said that on This Week with George Stephanopolous a couple weeks ago.

SHAMEFUL! Spread the word....

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
61. You can't even name the supposed miscreant?
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 02:11 PM
Feb 2016

You have no idea who Henry Kissinger is, do you? Or if you do, you don't care.

And why should you, when you take Brock as a worthy man of talents. A specialist!

What does any of it matter then?

The only question is, since you so obviously think values are principles are a joke either way, and all that matters is winning: why do you care if it's a D or an R? Are you getting a salary? Because that's the only explanation.

R B Garr

(16,994 posts)
62. Hilarious, but this is typical of the holier-than-thou responses. Bernie was on This Week
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 02:19 PM
Feb 2016

with George Stephanopolous and he named the person and I even looked it up. You are free to use your Google to look it up.

Face it, your only responses to me are that I should be ashamed. Morality and shame, lol, that's all these responses are . Oh, and I must be "paid".

I didn't say positive things about Brock or Kissinger. I said these are INTERNET-fueled talking points, which they are. Most of the talking points about this lead back to internet flame wars. That pretty much says it all.

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
63. You didn't look it up.
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 02:23 PM
Feb 2016

And that's how it is until you provide the link to back up your claim. (It may or may not be true, it may or may not be relevant.) Anyone making a claim can provide the link. You say you looked it up, provide the link! I am not making the claim, I do not have to provide the link. You have no basis for being sarcastic or smarmy about this.

Correct, I care about ethics, values and principles, and you self-evidently do not. Not just your embrace of the mercenary operator Brock, but your justification of why say that.

And I find it highly unlikely that you know anything about the history of this country or would care if you did. Did you ever read a history book?

R B Garr

(16,994 posts)
65. I just saw it on Google. Sanders mentioned him on more than one show.
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 02:32 PM
Feb 2016

It think it was also posted here. You can find it with a couple searches. What's funny is that if I posted it, you would just continue in this tactic of insulting me and insisting you are superior. And this is passed off as a discussion of "issues."

I have to now just giggle at your self-reverence. Enjoy yourself.

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
66. You still can't name a name.
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 02:53 PM
Feb 2016

There probably is a name, but what's more interesting is that you still don't know it. You make this claim without being able to back it up, and you seem to think that making this claim without a name somehow justifies anything you have to say. This is embarrassing for you. Withdraw for your own good.

R B Garr

(16,994 posts)
67. I was just reading some of his entries. Easily found with a Google search.
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 02:59 PM
Feb 2016

If you can't find it with all I gave you, you obviously have other motives for continuing to badger me. This is now completely off topic, but it does illustrate that these things are just internet flame wars. That was my initial point.

Oh, and I bet when you find him, you'll come up with all kinds of things that we're all supposed to take "in context" for how Bernie intends the information from this source. But if Hillary uses a source, it's just a matter of Good vs. Evil. She was in a picture with so-and-so.....Evil!

R B Garr

(16,994 posts)
72. LOL @ the endless superiority. That's really all you have.
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 03:20 PM
Feb 2016

That's what I mean that this is all internet flame wars. Considering that Sanders has said he would consult with a former Reagan advisor, it's OBVIOUS that people are aware that some understanding of prior administrations and the thought processes of their decision making are necessary to fully understand America's position at that time, wrong or not.

But do continue to tell me how much better you are and how unworthy I am. LOL.

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
73. You don't understand the basic rules of making claims.
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 03:23 PM
Feb 2016

You make the claim, you back it up. That's how it works.

For example, I heard on a non-existent program that Hillary Clinton is the former head of Goldman Sachs. I saw it on a program, I did! What, are you too lazy to google it? I already gave you enough.

It's very simple. You provide the evidence for YOUR claim or you withdraw it and shut up. I am not responsible for checking anything on the basis of statements from you like, "I remember seeing it so it's true!"

R B Garr

(16,994 posts)
79. George Stephanolopous has a real show. It's called This Week.
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 03:33 PM
Feb 2016

Google it. There are threads here also about Sanders foreign policy advisors. If I told you to put up or shut up, my post would be hidden. Hmmm. It's hard to believe you are a Sanders supporter and don't know his foreign policy "advisors".

berniepdx420

(1,784 posts)
89. That's not how it works around here .. your ideas will be disregarded if you don't provide a link
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 03:52 PM
Feb 2016

substantiating your claims... your choice

R B Garr

(16,994 posts)
93. No, it's your choice. There is more than one item about it, and I'm not your assistant.
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 03:56 PM
Feb 2016

C'mon. Bernie Sanders fans should know what he has said about his foreign policy advisors. There were even threads here about. it.

Like I care what you think about my "ideas". It's obvious that this is about your version of Good vs. Evil, with everything I say being "evil." It's just silly to spend more time, gotta go.

berniepdx420

(1,784 posts)
84. "Hillary Clinton and Henry Kissinger: It's Personal. Very Personal."
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 03:45 PM
Feb 2016
The Clintons and the Kissingers regularly spend holidays together at a beachfront villa.
—By David Corn | Fri Feb. 12, 2016 6:32 PM EST


...snip

What Clinton did not mention was that her bond with Kissinger was personal as well as professional, as she and her husband have for years regularly spent their winter holidays with Kissinger and his wife, Nancy, at the beachfront villa of fashion designer Oscar de la Renta, who died in 2014, and his wife, Annette, in the Dominican Republic.

...snip

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/02/hillary-clinton-kissinger-vacation-dominican-republic-de-la-renta

berniepdx420

(1,784 posts)
92. If war and peace and the spilling blood of your fellow Americans and innocent others then yes this
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 03:56 PM
Feb 2016

is incredibly important....

here...learn something..





R B Garr

(16,994 posts)
97. I already know you are superior, as this is about your own version of Good vs. Evil,
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 04:04 PM
Feb 2016

with me being evil, of course, because I can see why current politicians would want to understand the decision making of their predecessors.

There is nothing to be learned except that you searched on the internet for edited clips that fit your needs.

Clinton was clear in a few sentences why she was interested in Kissinger's viewpoints. Even Sanders has said he would consult with a Reagan foreign policy advisor, so obviously there is a need to have a nuanced understanding of others' views.

Like I said, this is mostly material for internet flame warriors. Most people don't have the luxury of behaving like internet flame warriors in real life, especially if they have a position of standing in the world. That is a position for people who are unaccountable and... anonymous.

 

earthshine

(1,642 posts)
112. You're not evil!
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 09:51 PM
Feb 2016

You just want the last word, and you'll have to reply to me to get it.

You write nothing of any substance. Just blowing a lot of noise in a feeble attempt to hijack somebody else's OP.

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
57. What, you really think the U.S. invaded Indochina and murdered two million people?
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 02:04 PM
Feb 2016

And that Kissinger conspired to keep that going and is thus responsible for most of that murder? Next you'll tell me he wanted to have a democratically elected government in Chile overthrown, or met with the Indonesian dictator the day before he invaded East Timor.

Internet-fueled conspiracy theory! These people are heroes! Nobel Laureates! Feminist establishment! Good solid business folk!

R B Garr

(16,994 posts)
81. LMAO, this is why I wouldn't waste my time. Further discussion with this is pointless.
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 03:37 PM
Feb 2016

Now you are saying they are heroes. That's not what was said, but it does sound good on the internet for the internet flame wars. Which was my original point.

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
103. Jesus, are you even capable of reading?
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 04:50 PM
Feb 2016

Speaking of wasting my precious time. Do you get anything? Does it need the "sarcasm for morons" tag?

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
108. And you can't back up your claims with a simple link.
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 07:06 PM
Feb 2016

It's not really an insult if it fits. You are incapable of representing your case, yet you keep coming back oblivious, like the Black Knight.

 

AOR

(692 posts)
95. Yeah because the history of the war ciminal Kissinger is a "conspiracy theory"...
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 03:59 PM
Feb 2016

and Brock's history as a "former" right-wing scumbag and enemy of the left is "conspiracy theory"

R B Garr

(16,994 posts)
98. What I said was that it is mostly internet flame warriors who Sanders is talking to.....
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 04:09 PM
Feb 2016

it gets them riled up. Most people in real life aren't going to hunt down 40 year old clips to post on the internet, and they don't care who wins internet fights. That's why I said it's surprising his message is targeted mostly to the internet mongers. Most of these Googled "issues" lead back to internet fights.

LMAO.



Bored with the Good vs. Evil theater, but good show.

 

AOR

(692 posts)
99. The truth matters regardless of internet flame wars...
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 04:33 PM
Feb 2016

Kissinger is a war criminal responsible for immense death and destruction. People should know that truth. People should also know the truth that a right-wing scumbag bottom feeder like Brock is feeding the Clinton slime machine puppets and race-baiters with daily right wing talking points all over the net.

R B Garr

(16,994 posts)
101. People know that your "truth" isn't someone elses's 'truth". It's all how you
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 04:45 PM
Feb 2016

spin it. That's politics, and people know that. LOL, just look at your post as an example of that:
"war criminal"
"immense death and destruction"
"scumbag bottom feeder"
"slime machine puppets"
"race-baiters"

The reason I pointed out your own words is Clinton said she is interested mostly in Kissinger's views on CHINA relations, which makes a lot of sense. Every predecessor has areas of expertise or experience, wrong or right, which provide insight into America's position at the time.

Besides, Sanders has said all options are on the table, so he is not anti-war. He also won't end the drone program. It's all spin, and most people know that.

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
109. Completely made up, that Vietnam thing.
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 07:08 PM
Feb 2016

All "truth" is just how well you can spin it. This is why David Brock is a hero and thank god he's on "our" side.

Seriously, why do you CARE who wins? This is why I suggested before that you should be getting a salary or have some other interest, because otherwise there is no reason whatsoever for you to care. Truth does not matter, ethics do not matter, what actually happened, who did what, who murdered whom, none of that matters. It's just spin vs. spin. So I hope you have some incentive, for your sake.

 

AOR

(692 posts)
110. The truth that Kissinger is a war criminal who caused death and destruction....
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 07:49 PM
Feb 2016

is historical reality. It does not call for a sales job once anyone takes even a cursory glance of the facts. Of course you are correct that Brock being a scumbag bottom feeder is open to subjective opinion. Many however share that opinion.

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
4. Brock, who admitted lying about Anita Hill, is NOT child's play.
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 06:33 AM
Feb 2016

He's bottom-feeding scum, and HRC put him in charge of her super PAC.

16. Says a lot about her character.
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 07:35 AM
Feb 2016

It's not surprising though. She's a win-at-all-costs candidate.

I'm not sure that's what people are looking for this election.

 

PonyUp

(1,680 posts)
27. I wonder whose idea it was in 2008 for the assassination remark about Obama?
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 08:42 AM
Feb 2016

I think she came up with that one on her own.

ejbr

(5,856 posts)
7. A fighter who kvetches
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 06:49 AM
Feb 2016

about "artful smears". While she hires someone gifted in same? Bernie won't point out her hypocrisy, but Trump will demolish her both in attacks and then her kvetching about things for which she cannot answer, but will label as an artful smear all while doing same.

Lordquinton

(7,886 posts)
8. David Brock is someone the Republicans would bring
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 06:52 AM
Feb 2016

She's already exhausting the socialist angle, so thanks for that opportunity to defang that angle of attack at least.

What history does she have of beating republicans? She only ran and got elected to office twice?

I suppose you could say she has a history of losing to Democrats...

erlewyne

(1,115 posts)
14. Bernie is already taking care of Rove.
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 07:28 AM
Feb 2016

Rove has been involved from day one.
He's the puppet master but Bernie has
"no strings attached".

dubyadiprecession

(5,725 posts)
15. It's true!! Bernie has never been under fire like Hillary has..
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 07:30 AM
Feb 2016

waving his hands like a puppet in the debate. Kind of like a woody allen character, wanting to say" can i..can i.. interject?..can i.. can i..just say..i". The Republicans are going to give this naive man a heart attack!!

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
20. The Republicans are going to give this naive man a heart attack!!
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 08:19 AM
Feb 2016

VT is not the moon, y'know..... even tho' the GOP would have you think so.

Sanders has been working in the same room with the GOP for decades. What makes you think he's naive?

What makes you think Hillary can survive better. She lost the last primary, and she's never had to deal with them as an elected official any higher than Sanders.

greymouse

(872 posts)
33. "Bernie has never been under fire like Hillary has"
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 09:06 AM
Feb 2016

Is that the Bosnia sniper fire you're talking about, dubyadiprecession?

tazkcmo

(7,303 posts)
39. That's not a negative.
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 09:31 AM
Feb 2016

The Clinton's are under constant fire due to their own actions. Sanders is not, also due to his own actions. That's a plus in my book. As for being able to handle the GOP attacks, he's got a track record of winning that leaves HRC with campaign envy.

raouldukelives

(5,178 posts)
36. That's why its important to have friends like Kissinger & Brock on your side.
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 09:24 AM
Feb 2016

Apparently liberals are already giving her a heart attack. As evident by her win at all costs agenda.

greymouse

(872 posts)
32. there's a difference between whining and pointing out your opponent is lying down with dogs
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 09:05 AM
Feb 2016

and getting up with fleas.

Any moral person would be disgusted by Hillary's descent into the mud. It is totally in character with her, however, and yet another reason I will never vote for her. Lying, smearing, it's all one to Hill.

chervilant

(8,267 posts)
34. "Handle" Clinton?
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 09:10 AM
Feb 2016

"...whining about Brock"?!?

Are YOU serious?!?

Wow. As I recall, David Brock was the cretin who smeared Anita Hill and helped install one of the WORST SCOTUS Justices ever in our history!

I'm with Bernie on this one, too. But, you keep applauding Hi11ary's team. I think it says a lot about HER and a lot about her supporters that now, when Brock is on her team, he's one of the good guys.


Broward

(1,976 posts)
38. If he's even in a position to get "destroyed" by the Repubs in a few months,
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 09:27 AM
Feb 2016

then that would indicate that he handled Clinton just fine.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
40. since when is answering a question whining? and calling out someone for who they are "whining?"
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 09:53 AM
Feb 2016

Bernie was specifically asked about Brock's smear. Bernie succinctly explained who Brock is, the smears he is known for, and expressed surprise that Clinton would hire an extreme rightwing attack dog known for outright lies and smears.

He responded perfectly to the question.

NJCher

(35,764 posts)
41. you don't understand ethos
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 09:56 AM
Feb 2016
David Brock is childs play compared to what the Republicans will bring. Karl Rove will eat him alive .

That much is clear by your post.

If you understood ethos, you would see that your post makes no sense. In fact, right now this is unfolding, but you still haven't connected the dots. The more they attack Bernie using underhanded methods like the kind Brock comes up with, the stronger it makes Bernie.

Bernie doesn't understand her choices, and the reason he says he doesn't understand them is that Bernie is operating from ethos.

The same thing will happen with the Republicans.

You and most of the rest of us have never seen what happens when there is a political candidate whose basis is ethos. That is because our system weeds them out. Bernie is one of very few people who could both navigate the system and maintain his own integrity.

I personally know only one person who has maintained a long-time career in business operating from ethos. It is formidable, and given what I see of the Clinton and the republican candidates, they will be unable to overcome it.



Cher

NJCher

(35,764 posts)
42. Here is an example of comments
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 10:09 AM
Feb 2016

This is an article of comments made up from around the web:

Folks who have identified as Republicans for years have made the switch, citing Bernie’s honesty, integrity, and unwavering stance on issues.

See: http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511237382

Read more at the link cited in the OP. This will give a bit of an understanding on how ethos works and why people like Clinton or any of the Republicans will be unable to overcome it.


Cher

 

Bohemianwriter

(978 posts)
44. The Clinton campaign has already....
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 10:32 AM
Feb 2016

been using Karl Rovian tactics...I can see you DEFEND the use of those tactics, counting on the fact that the only good guy (your Hillary is NOT A GOODX PERSON) while you think you'll get away with bullshit is quite telling. In fact, it exposes as the mentality among Hillary supporters.

You don't seem to give a shit about the electorate or the issues. The only thing you think that will work for you is parroting GOP and start mudslining as if you were still in grade school or kindergarten.
But Bernie won't take the bait. Even though many of you Hillary supporters have wet dreams about him taking your bait.

But take if from someone who's been around the block a few times.

Hillary is a whiner and not a fighter. She stands 11 hours against republicans, and feels as attacking money in politics, legalized bribery is an "artful smear" against her. But then again, we know the lack of masculinity among repubicans, in which they are trying to over compensate.
She is an egomaniac and a compulsive liar who uses the same tactics as her FELLOW republicans have been using since Reagan.

Sorry. It won't work anymore Clinton and OTHER republicans!

The days of your smear machine are over. And I can literally smell the fear from Hillary and GOP!

We live in the internet age, and your lies and destortions will quickly be shut down.


We came, we bombed, they drowned... HAHAHAHAHAH






Avalux

(35,015 posts)
48. Oh please spare us.
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 11:41 AM
Feb 2016

If you don't think Bernie is a fighter you haven't been paying attention. Maybe it's because you spend your time disparaging him and defending assholes like Brock.

democrank

(11,112 posts)
2. Bernie shouldn`t be "astounded" by anything Hillary Clinton does.
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 06:23 AM
Feb 2016

Look what she did to Barack Obama when she ran against them. It`s called win at all costs.

mdbl

(4,976 posts)
6. I was very surprised by David Brock
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 06:41 AM
Feb 2016

Since I thought Media Matters was supposed to expose tactics akin to what he is doing now. Supposedly, his atonement for all the crap and lies he used to feed to Rush lumpballs every day during the first Bush presidency. If you don't know about it, read his book "Blinded by the Right" where he explains it all in nauseating detail.

 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
12. My favorite bit was how they created fake scandal noise.
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 07:01 AM
Feb 2016

They would get one "journalist" to do an article without researching it, then on the other side of the country an article would be written BASED ON THE FIRST WITH NO RESEARCH and then the whole pack would start jumping up and down OVER FAKE STUFF because EVERYONE WAS TALKING ABOUT IT.

Sound a little familiar? Sigh.

corkhead

(6,119 posts)
37. Be sure to get it from one of those Socialist libraries instead of purchasing it
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 09:26 AM
Feb 2016

Brock doesn't need to make any more money than he has for being a scumbag.

delrem

(9,688 posts)
10. As the HRC supporter says, they're the identical sleazy Republican tactics to be expected in the GE.
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 07:00 AM
Feb 2016

Reciting a variation Hillary's mantra "If the Republicans do it, then it's OK!"

So it'll be good practice because Brock is certainly using the sleaziest Republican swiftboating ratfuckery in an attempt to bring our perception of Bernie Sanders down to his employer's abysmal level. Like the Republican goon squads did to Kerry, so as to elect a warmongering chickenhawk.

So point made: Brock's sleazy tactics have worked in GEs, and perhaps they'll work when pushed by Dems against Dems. It's obviously what Hillary Clinton is counting on, but it isn't proven yet. This is a first.

peacebird

(14,195 posts)
21. She is running like a traditional pol from the last decade. Bernie is running a new media campaign
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 08:20 AM
Feb 2016

Bernie is reaching new voters who do not trust (justifiably so!) traditional politicians or M$M.

David Brock's last swiftboating attack has already been successfully defeated and The "journalist" behind it has been publically exposed as a partisan lying hack.

I think Bernie mentioning he is shocked by the depths Hillary is willing to go to, as evidenced by her sleazy hires, is actually a position of strength. He knows his supporters can shut down these cheap attacks. Pointing out that Hillary is hiring sleazy swiftboaters is a positive for him. Older Dems remember the swiftboating of Kerry, and were furious about it. Tying Hillary to THAT type crap is only going to help him with them!

EmperorHasNoClothes

(4,797 posts)
13. Well, at least it shows Hillary has the capacity to forgive I guess?
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 07:08 AM
Feb 2016

In the January 1994, issue of The American Spectator, Brock, by then on staff at the magazine, published a story about Bill Clinton's time as governor of Arkansas that made accusations that bred Troopergate. Among other things, the story contained the first printed reference to Paula Jones, referring to a woman named "Paula" who state troopers said offered to be Clinton's partner. Jones called Brock's account of her encounter with Clinton "totally wrong," and she later sued Clinton for sexual harassment, a case that became entangled in the independent counsel's investigation of the Whitewater controversy.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Brock

monicaangela

(1,508 posts)
24. When you find a good mud slinger..
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 08:26 AM
Feb 2016

as it appears this case implies, what do you do? Do you forgive, forget, and make a note of that person's name and location so that you can later go back and team up with him/her in order to do some mud slinging of your own? I wonder...

nolabels

(13,133 posts)
17. That sound of a concerned parent, i am okay with, this is BERNIE
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 07:40 AM
Feb 2016

Obviously he was not going to extend a congratulatory statement to Mr. David Brock for being an asshole. Though as a parent he does have concern what kind of bad crowd some might be hanging around with. To me, this is an example of the true to form of love your enemy, the guy is genuine, he pretty much don't know no other way to be.

monicaangela

(1,508 posts)
23. Reminds me of an old saying I've heard.....
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 08:24 AM
Feb 2016

You can tell a lot about a person by the company they keep. Birds of a feather flock together.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
30. Heh. Some od the comments under your OP are a hoot.
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 08:44 AM
Feb 2016

"Bernie has never been under fire like Hillary".

Nope, no Bosnian snipers ever pinned him down on an airport tarmac.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
35. It's not easy for a person of honesty and integrity like Senator Sanders...
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 09:15 AM
Feb 2016

... to not be astounded by the depths people like the Clintons will sink to.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
43. But yet
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 10:20 AM
Feb 2016

she all but rolled out those big ol crocodile tears at the last debate about Bernie attacking her by just pointing out the differences in the two and doing it by using Facts.
All Hillary cares about is her and her winning the whitehouse. She'll never be President, simple as that.

Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
102. Jake Tapper asks Bernie Sanders about David Brock
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 04:47 PM
Feb 2016

...the head of a Super PAC which coordinates with Hillary Clinton.

Tapper notes that Brock said since there aren't a lot of blacks in the Sanders' TV ad "America," that means "black lives don't matter much to Bernie Sanders."

Sanders replies that Brock is an attack dog who used to be a right-wing attack dog, and admits he lied about Anita Hill.

Sanders says he's "astounded" that Hillary Clinton would hire someone like that.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
80. He's carried water for some highly questionable people
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 03:34 PM
Feb 2016

like Corzine and Yanukovich...

I'm just sayin'...

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
87. Lol. Hill carried water for Corzine
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 03:51 PM
Feb 2016

Don't know who the other guy is. No links of course and typical hill supporter false equivalency crap.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
96. No links?
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 04:00 PM
Feb 2016

1. I'm actually supporting Sanders, so unless you want me to start supporting Clinton instead you will kindly watch your fucking mouth and quit trying to make an enemy out of me...

2. Cali, I've known you a long time and even you aren't this dense... Either you don't know how to do a web search, or you're too lazy. Since it's Monday I'll toss you a bone -- The rest you can dig up yourself:

http://www.iop.harvard.edu/thomas-tad-devine
And this is Devine's own bio, so please don't act like it's slanted or I made it up...

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
100. If you are someone who decides who to vote for based on a
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 04:39 PM
Feb 2016

supporter on a message board, that's just lame.

And I'm sorry but claiming that Devine and Brock are similar is a bullshit false equivalency.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
106. But I didn't *SAY* Devine and Brock are similar, did I?
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 04:56 PM
Feb 2016

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Quit putting words in my mouth... What I'm saying is politics is messy, nobody has 100% clean hands, and folks should be wary about waving the shit end of the stick around lest it come back on them...

http://www.salon.com/2016/02/15/bernies_man_behind_the_scenes_tad_devine_is_the_karl_rove_to_sanders_2016_populist_uprising/

And why shouldn't I let the back and forth, pro/con debates at least have some influence on how I decide to vote if I'm not fully decided? That's how I've done it in some past years, and most of the vocal DUers are knee-deep in it, fully committed to their candidate, and are best suited to make arguments... Nevermind the fact that I don't know or even see any Sanders supporters where I live, so like it or not, Democratic Underground and Twitter are the only places where I get real, point-to-point contact with the Sanders Campaign and it's unofficial representatives like you...

Besides, if you *honestly* believed nobody based their vote on what some supporter says online, why do you and everyone else (from both camps) spend so much time here promoting your candidates? Nobody would be doing it if they didn't think they could change some minds...

Beacool

(30,253 posts)
104. Silly analogy.
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 04:52 PM
Feb 2016

Hillary supported a fellow Democrat, like she has supported many other Democratic officials.

Sanders hired Devine. Big difference.

leftupnorth

(886 posts)
114. Well, now I know how to defuse a sticky set of facts.
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 11:31 PM
Feb 2016

Just start an 'internet flame war' and *POOF* your facts are invalid.

Because reasons. And flame broiled internets. Or something.

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