Andrews says he heard racist strategy from Clinton camp

[AOR]

http://www.nj.com/news/ledger/topstories/index.ssf/2008/06/andrews_says_he_heard_racist_s.html

-- Josh Margolin/Statehouse Bureau June 06, 2008

(Snip)

A Democratic superdelegate from New Jersey said this week he is worried that unifying the party behind Barack Obama may be difficult because the Clinton camp "has engaged in some very divisive tactics and rhetoric it should not have."

U.S. Rep. Rob Andrews, who supported Hillary Clinton throughout the primary season, disclosed he received a phone call shortly before the April 22 Pennsylvania primary from a top member of Clinton's organization and that the caller explicitly discussed a strategy of winning over Jewish voters by exploiting tensions between Jews and African-Americans.

"There have been signals coming out of the Clinton campaign that have racial overtones that indeed disturb me," Andrews said at his campaign headquarters in Cherry Hill Tuesday night after he lost his bid for the Democratic U.S. Senate nomination.

"Frankly, I had a private conversation with a high-ranking person in the campaign ... that used a racial line of argument that I found very disconcerting. It was extremely disconcerting given the rank of this person. It was very disturbing."

[ghostsinthemachine]

1. Really, please put OLD SHIT in the thread title when you dredge

up old shit like this and the countless other threads like it over the last days.

[AOR]

5. The Clinton game plan looks very familiar 8 years later...

wouldn't you say ? I'm kinda getting to like this primary stuff. It's strangely exhilarating to expose frauds and hypocrites at every turn. Especially when it's being used to divide the working class. Get it ? I'm sure you do.

[quickesst]

11. If it looks so familiar...

.... then why bring old worn-out 2008 shit up? Could it be that you have no confidence in bringing up the similiarities? All the Clinton anti POC crap is just s*** people grab out of the air, and reword it to fit their agenda, much like this bullshit OP.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511251864

..... which I haven't gotten a reply to, and one I don't expect. That poster puts quotes that Hillary Clinton never said, and you bring up stuff that is so old it has mold on it, and does not apply to the here and now.

I suspect that there are many of Bernie's supporters who do not appreciate this tact either, and would rather rely on those talking points which they believe are pertinent to today's situation.

[AOR]

18. Opinions vary...

the political slime machine of the Clintons is well known. Deal with it. If Clinton is as "thoroughly vetted" as her supporters claim they should have no problem dealing with an old tune from the past.

[quickesst]

34. She has been thoroughly vetted...

.... over the last 25 years or so, and dealt with it magnificently. It seems as though you, just like the right wing, are the ones who are incapable of doing so. The old game of "he said, "she said", "I heard" has more holes in it than Swiss cheese. Deal with it.

[AOR]

36. The Clintons and their Neoliberal ilk have driven the Democratic Party...

so far right that it indistinguishable from the party of even the vanilla New Deal reform it once stood for. What you fail to realize is that many leftists - who can no longer stomach what the Democratic Party has become - were once Democrats. You will be seeing much more of that in the future should Clinton win the election.

[quickesst]

52. Once more you trot out...

.... an opinion. I admit, an opinion shared by many, but still just an opinion.

[SheenaR]

39. She has been thoroughly vetted

This much is true.

It's also why the majority of Americans do not trust her or like her.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

48. "vetted"...

[quickesst]

53. I think I do know what it means...

... but you tell me how I am wrong in my statement that she has been vetted for the last 25 years or so.
vet1
vet/Submit
verb
past tense: vetted; past participle: vetted
make a careful and critical examination of (something).
"proposals for vetting large takeover bids"
synonyms: check, examine, scrutinize, investigate, inspect, look over, screen, assess, evaluate, appraise; informalcheck out
"press releases are vetted by an executive council"
BRITISH
investigate (someone) thoroughly, especially in order to ensure that they are suitable for a job requiring secrecy, loyalty, or trustworthiness.
"each applicant will be vetted by police"
synonyms: check, examine, scrutinize, investigate, inspect, look over, screen, assess, evaluate, appraise; informalcheck out
"press releases are vetted by an executive council"

[libdem4life]

58. It's similar to opening an old wound. Just because it healed, doesn't mean it isn't

more susceptible to reinjury.

People like to forget...in many ways it helps keep us sane and functioning yet it's not really forgotten, it's just compartmentalized. Bringing it out does just that...brings out the old stuff to deal with again.

It's been 8 years. And yes, it will effectively keep her on the defensive a whole lot. That's not what we need in a President.

And now there are new, valid ones showing up on an almost daily basis. The worst of which is the realization by many that she does not have the Clinton Magic Bill had and it's wearing her out. Unlike Bill, she has to do a lot of faking and pushing herself because she has little or no charisma.

[Bohemianwriter]

35. When the same tactics are being used...

It should be recognized and scrutinized...

[quickesst]

50. The OP used...

... old he said, she said shit from 2008. It is now 2016. Where is the example of the "same tactics", and why was it not used?

[Bluenorthwest]

54. We spent last week combing over photos from 1963 as if they contained a cure for cancer and yet now

the current talking point is that 7 years ago is 'super old shit' and 'antique history' and 'ancient'? How inconsistent and self serving is that? Very inconsistent and very self serving.


Which is it? Photos from 1963 are wildly important information but facts from 2008 are too old to matter?

[quickesst]

57. Your reply doesn't make any sense...

... simply because no one disputes that it is Hillary Clinton in the video. Your example and this thread don't have anything to do with each other. By the way, I didn't look at a single photo of the example you gave, because I didn't give a shit whether he was there or not. One thing the two have in common? That was then, this is now.

[Bohemianwriter]

60. And your leader us using that same playbook...

Seems that you don't want people to be aware when the same dirty swill is being served again as leftovers...

[Bohemianwriter]

38. A dogwhistle from the 90's....

Tell us when Bernie comes up with something equally bad....

[quickesst]

51. I understand...

... We are all the exact same people we were 20 years ago. I hold the exact same views I did back in 1996, because as we all know, it is impossible for people to change their way of thinking. Now, about 2016....

[Bohemianwriter]

59. Apparently...

Neither Hilary or any other in her klan have retracted the term "super predators" and think that releasing non vi9
violent "criminals" are "worrying"...making it seem that this is something that "kings do"...

Seriously?

Do you have your head so far up a profiteers arse that you don't smell corruption and dogwhstle racism?

Put it like this. The Hillary klan is doing exactly what she and her surrogates are accusing Bernie Sanders of doing.
Apparently, Hillary's people wallow in dirty politics and bitch when their kitchensink comes in return like a boomerang...




This is the result of her "we came, we saw he died" policy.



Apparently it doesn't matter to you that she and her husband have received tens of milions od doars from the Saudis.
Or the arms industry.
Or the private prison industry.
Or Wall Street
Or Big Pharma...

And her we are. Hearing from her naive fans that she is not influenced by money from these industries. Mentioning these are somehow interpreted as "dirty tactis" and "personal attacks". Seems that Hillary is trying to drag the party even more to the right while she speaks with forked tongue on stage.

[quickesst]

62. Haha....

Original:
"Apperently...
Neither Hilary or any other in her klan have retracted the term "super predators" and think thet reeasing non vi9olent "criminals" are "worrying"...making it seem that this is something that "kings do"...

Seriously?

Do you have your head so far up a profiteers arse that you don't smell corruption and dogwhi9stle racism?

Put it like this. The Hillary klan is doing exactly what she and her surrogates are accusing Bernie Sanders of doing... "

The edit and addition was better, but not great. Perhaps a third time will be the charm. Spell check might help.

[Bohemianwriter]

63. You have anything of substance to say?

[quickesst]

65. Ok

Has Bernie Sanders pro gun, pro gun manufacturers, and anti-Brady Bill stance changed, or is it a legitimate talking point to be trotted out at every opportunity as proof that his views have not changed no matter what he says at the present time?

[6chars]

55. This is not happening at all

"the caller explicitly discussed a strategy of winning over Jewish voters by exploiting tensions between Jews and African-Americans"

[one_voice]

40. +1

I read this stuff five thousand times in 2008. Don't need to read it five thousand more times in 2016...

talk about recycling day.

[Carolina]

42. Past is prologue

Old shit, as you put it, is pertinent... from HRC's 2002 IWR vote to her race baiting 2008 primary campaign.

She always talks about her record, well guess what? This old shit is part of her long sordid history and record!

[Hydra]

47. I stayed clear of the 2008 primary

So for me it's educational to know that this is business as usual for Team Hill.

[Oilwellian]

64. Hillary would disagree with you

You can't just say a politician's record doesn't matter and isn't worthy of debate. Even Hillary would agree with that. For example, she said the following during the 2008 primary:

"I think that your record and what you say, does matter."

"I think elections are about the future, but how will you determine what will happen in the future? Well, you have to look at the record, you have to look at what we say in campaigns and what we have done during our careers."

And here is the official record of those words:

So I think I'll continue to study and debate Hillary's words and record.

The irony of this, she was right about Obama. He definitely admired Reagan's fiscal policies.

[HooptieWagon]

2. A leopard doesn't change its spots.

[bravenak]

3. More old stuff

'I said BLACK fifty times!!'

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

12. It's all starting to make sense.

She hasn't changed at all.

Instead of using race against Obama she uses it against Sanders: stirring up tensions.

Everything old is new again.

[bravenak]

13. Sierra Blanca

Long history of insensitivity

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

16. Truth hurts sometimes.

[oasis]

17. Andrews was forced out due to his ETHICS scandal.

Not a guy I would count on when it comes to telling the truth.

[bravenak]

19. Good to know.

[Babel_17]

45. Link? Wikipedia suggests the complaint was dismissed

In 2014 Andrews came under investigation by the House Ethics Committee for improper use of campaign funds. The identical substance of the accusations made were dismissed in their entirety by the Federal Elections Commission in May 2014

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rob_Andrews#Controversies

http://www.citizensforethics.org/page/-/PDFs/Legal/5_28_2014_FEC_Decision_Rob_Andrews_nepotism.pdf?nocdn=1

http://editions.lib.umn.edu/smartpolitics/2014/02/04/andrews-exits-us-house-with-to/

Edit: Looks like he just retired.

[Bluenorthwest]

56. I love how the new trope is that 08 is 'old stuff' when just last week photos from 1963 were

important enough to make OP's about...1963 is much, much older material than 2008. How does that work, really? Is there a published book of Double Standards we can all look at for guidance?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1214506

[noiretextatique]

4. she wants to run on her record

so all of it is fair game.

[AOR]

7. Agreed...campaigns on all levels including local are a dirty game...

the Clinton slime machine and her sycophants take it to another level. The race-baiting of Sanders is laughable from any stand point. There are legitimate grievances to be addressed. The little cadre of reactionary race-baiters here do those grievances no justice.

[noiretextatique]

9. i am on the outs

with them. the constant parsing and dishonesty turned me off. i welcome fair discussion, but "bernie thinks all black people are poor" is not worth discussing..

[AOR]

22. You're a voice of reason in those discussions intended to inflame noiretextatique

[noiretextatique]

23. i just did it again

not going to be popular. oh well.

[madaboutharry]

6. Your title is misleading.

It should say "In 2008,...."

This is the kind of thing that undermines credibility.

[AOR]

8. The post lists the date clearly...

anything to say about the content ?

[madaboutharry]

10. Not on The Latest page.

It reads like it happened yesterday.

[DebJ]

43. People change their minds about specific decisions, but this is an ethical issue to me.

Either you have good ethics, or you don't, and 8 years doesn't change that... not at this advanced age. Maybe if you were 3 and now you are 11...

[oasis]

14. Andrews left office in disgrace. ETHICS SCANDAL.

He has zero credibility.

[AOR]

20. I'm sure with a little digging dozen of examples of the Clinton slime machine in action exist...

[oasis]

25. If you don't mind using a discredited individual to advance your agenda

it's fine and dandy with me. Yes indeed.

[Feeling the Bern]

32. HRC's use of Kissinger for her foreign policy cred. Discredited individuals indeed

[John Poet]

37. AMEN! Hillary supporters who excuse her praise for Kissinger

have no room to complain about 'credibility'.

[shenmue]

46. Clinton haters with a few hundred posts are so credible

[Feeling the Bern]

31. "I did not have sex with that woman." Sorry, credibility is something the Clintons also lack.

Those were Bill's exact words. So, ETHICS SCANDAL.

[uponit7771]

15. Obama forgave her so do I

[AOR]

21. Clinton and her flunkies haven't learned a thing ...

and will use the same slippery eel playbook against Sanders.

[uponit7771]

26. Nah, they can just make video of West and Sanders together and end this shit right now but they

... haven't.

There's nothing Sanders can do with Clinton that has not already been done

[AOR]

29. Lot of people listen to West...

lot of people think Obama is a Neoliberal corporatist flunky like Clinton who hasn't done shit for poor black communities so there's that. Others disagree. Like I said... opinions vary.

[uponit7771]

33. Cause he called the first black president "N-word-izzed"... that's why they listen to him...

.. because he's saying some of the most vile racialized crap about America's first black president.

... and it's over seating arrangements ... no really, black politico knows about wess... he's an idiot... and he hates Obama cause Obama didn't give him the seats he wanted...

So, please advocate that a video of West with Sanders be made...

[AOR]

41. West isn't the only Black leftist that has issues with the policies of Barack Obama...

the list is endless. For many "hope and change" turned into a bad case of the destitute blues.

As an acquaintance once put it --

"Hope" in capitalism is like a zombie. It shuffles along, shedding body parts as it goes, yet people point and say, "See, there is our new Hope, they will make things right" as they apply duct tape to the rotting flesh never seeming to smell the undead stench and the rotting nature of capitalist empire. Old story... like the decaying English middle-classes... certain that the Empire would live forever, and living on hope. Many will get over it, some never bought into it or had the chance to buy into it, and still others will die "hoping."

Accept it or not, better sooner rather than later...

[JRLeft]

24. I don't, and she's corrupted by Wall Street on top of that.

[uponit7771]

27. For taking 1/25th of her salary? I doubt it

[JRLeft]

28. It's not just Wall Street, she's corrupted by many industries that will destroy the environment.

[azmom]

30. Same old strategy. Only with different groups.

It would be really amazing if they succeed. I happen to think they won't be. Too much video out there.

[AOR]

44. They're counting on people falling in line....

after they're done using and abusing the left of the Democratic Party. They might be in for a large surprise whether Bernie Sanders pulls it off or not.

[BlandGrenade]

49. Look her in the eye and you can see that she's totally nuts,

She'd shit in her own hand and slap herself in the face if she thought it would help her polling numbers. She's not interested in leading, just in winning. I heard an interview with Elizabeth Warren the other day about Hillary shifting her position on a vote that would protect women's right to child support taking priority over debtors such as the too-big-to-fail banks; she seemed to be on the right side of the issue until it came time for a vote, when she suddenly sided with the banksters. America can't afford another corporatist in the Oval office, regardless of party affiliation, and I don't give a god damn about her army of synchophants longing for a woman president. Hillary is too cozy with wall street and progressive voters can see through her half-assed charade.

[speaktruthtopower]

61. Most politicians cynically pander and manipulate

race, religion, sensitivities to wedge issues.

The good ones make it look like concern. The clumsy ones get punished.