Can I have a list of Hillary's Pro POC legislation?

[JonLeibowitz]

I am continuously told she has always been fighting for Black People for the last 20-30 years, so is there a list of the Pro Black/POC legislations she has gotten through? Or written and put up for a vote? I'd like to see for myself what her track record is on fighting for their rights in government.

bravenak.

[w4rma]

1. You won't find any. She only passed 3 bills in her Senate career. And they all named things.

The bills were as superficial as her campaign is.

[JonLeibowitz]

2. That is alright. Proposed legislation will do as well.

edit: actually, I see "my" post requires that the legislation make it through to become law. never mind.

[George II]

51. Not true. But remember, Clinton wasn't in Congress for 25 years.

[Bubzer]

66. 8 years in the senate is a long time to have no legislation proposed...

...especially if she really does care about PoC, as claimed.

[George II]

84. True, but she did propose legislation in that time. Sorry to disappoint.

[JonLeibowitz]

86. Which post office are you referring to? n/t

[George II]

92. Your OP was about Hillary, not Bernie.

[Bubzer]

96. Not dispointed. I believe in credit where it's due. Does she have anything outside of gun control?

[George II]

183. I believe the discussion was about:

"Hillary's Pro POC legislation"

[Bubzer]

185. Right. My question hasn't deviated from that topic. Does she have anything outside of gun control?

[JimDandy]

83. Wow. That is beyond pathetic for a former first lady, an 8 year Senator and the most famous woman

in the world.

How the heck was she ever considered for the position of Secretary of State? Oh, that's right, it was a consolation prize for coming in second as the Dems' presidential nominee.

[Hoppy]

118. --- but she did write a good book. I think the title is "Village of the Damned."

[Fumesucker]

172. "It Takes a Damned Village"

[valerief]

202. No, it's Bomb the Damn Villages. nt

[Arazi]

3. Lol, I've loved how the goalposts have changed on her OP

She's edited herself numerous times to make sure nothing is good enough and everything anyone puts up doesn't fit

She's trolling like mad and I'm sad anyone takes her bait - she wants Bernie Sanders supporters heads.

Great counter thread

[JonLeibowitz]

4. Please stay on topic. This is about HILLARY.

Nothing to do with Bernie. Is there even a contested primary going on? Idk..

This is about HILLARY.

[Arazi]

7. Let me kick and rec your fine post then good sir

Carry on

[bravenak]

11. Brilliant!

[George II]

55. Reminds me of a joke my father used to tell.

[bravenak]

56. Mine too

[2pooped2pop]

12. Lol

Sounds oddly familiar

[George II]

54. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

[Bubzer]

70. Then Hillary thinks VERY highly of Bernie.

[polly7]

76. ...........

[Bubzer]

81. ROTFL

[JimDandy]

87. LOL! n/t

[zentrum]

145. Hysterical.

[senz]

163. ohhhh....

[Duckhunter935]

79. Indeed so

[KeepItReal]

58. LMAO!

Well played.

[noiretextatique]

20. strong black voice

i wish i could see that person. i have not yet.

[Fuddnik]

42. I have her on ignore, so I don't have to waste my time on nonsense.

[Flying Squirrel]

80. Who?

[2banon]

173. LOL! You stole my Question!

who are they talking about?

[Betty Karlson]

153. The goalposts are all over the place at this point.. But this is all about Clinton's commitment. eom

[morningfog]

5. Well, I don't care for calling another poster out,

And I like the poster you called out.

I have asked before, though, what Hillary has done for people of color that is distinguishable, and the most I have gotten is that she hasn't criticized Obama and wants to continue his legacy.

[JonLeibowitz]

6. I am not calling out another poster. I am crediting another poster for bringing up a good question.

I will add that bravenak repeatedly said to start another OP if we had similar questions about Hillary (since the original post was NOT in any way about Hillary despite being posted in GDP); so I took her kind suggestion to heart, and action. The is recognition for the question originally posed and adapted here.

[JudyM]

28. I appreciate your post, since I asked her this and she wouldn't answer except to tell me to

post it as an OP. Now I get to sit back and watch.

[JonLeibowitz]

33. You are very welcome. As expected, however, this OP is content-free. n/t

[JudyM]

37. Maybe something will turn up. If not, just follow protocol and repost it in a couple of days.

[JonLeibowitz]

39. I think..

we are reading different playbooks.

[JudyM]

45. Aw, c'mon, let's bring all of DU down to that schoolyard level.

Meanwhile, I may have to take a look at this "hide" feature I've heard so much about.

[Live and Learn]

17. You mean she hasn't criticized Obama recently. Recently is the important word there. nt

[morningfog]

19. Point well taken. She was vicious in 2008.

[merrily]

53. In 2008, it was low down. She has criticized him often since then,

both directly and obliquely, but sans dog whistles about race and religion. So, there's that.

[Fawke Em]

186. Heck, she was viscious in 2014.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/10/hillary-clinton-obama_n_5665901.html

[tk2kewl]

36. bravenak invited the creation of this OP

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511259155#post16

[liberal_at_heart]

151. her? Oh yeah. Have had her on ignore for a long time now.

[tk2kewl]

157. i'm getting used to her

she's quite tenacious

[jeff47]

187. Except she has criticized Obama. Especially on foreign policy.

And quite recently. Apparently those criticisms don't count for some reason.

[bravenak]

8. Yo!

[JonLeibowitz]

10. Yo!

Feel free to follow up and answer the question. or not! Either one is fine with me, but I prefer the former.

[Arazi]

14. Oh guaranteed there's no response. The OP was flamebait anyway

but I love this!

Wondering how soon it has an alert

[JonLeibowitz]

15. That would be amazing!

A fella can dream!

[Quayblue]

88. How?

[Quayblue]

112. I was being sincere

guess that didn't work too well

[bravenak]

116. Are you talking about here or on another op?

[Quayblue]

132. here

I was called to jury the OP, so I decided to stay.

I think both yours and this post were starts of good conversation.

[bravenak]

136. I'm sure this op is not quite serious

Tongue in cheeck

[JonLeibowitz]

138. You are quite correct. But this thread was almost begging to be made. n/t

[bravenak]

142. I understand perfectly.nt

[Dragonfli]

162. But can you answer the question? If not I assume she must have done NOTHING /nt

[bravenak]

164. I'm not being told how she is the best for blacks day after day

https://www.congress.gov/bill/110th-congress/senate-bill/3511
https://www.congress.gov/bill/110th-congress/senate-bill/3334
https://www.congress.gov/bill/110th-congress/senate-concurrent-resolution/10
https://www.congress.gov/bill/110th-congress/senate-bill/748

[Dragonfli]

166. I am being told that day after day and and left wondering why. Those are good pieces of legislation

No ability to get them passed, but unlike you, I am fair enough to consider the effort.
Not much of a life's work helping PoC however.

She only tried to help on average once every two years, then not much at all after that, much of a resume at all IMO.
I think that Bernie is the best for all non wealthy Americans, not just Poc. strangely I consider PoC that are not wealthy Americans as well, so I think he is best for that subset as well.

I understand you want only things that help Poc, others being helped does not appear to be something you care about, a thought you appear even to disdain of late.

Perhaps the difference is that I am multiracial and find it easy to see all people in need as people that need to be helped.
Being of a singular racial background I suppose is why you only care about one group of people. I wonder if I would care less about poor people of other races less if I was more "pure" like you, but since I am not, I guess I will never know.

I do know poverty however, we are old friends poverty and I unfortunately, but I lived in a mixed neighborhood so we kinda stuck together fighting our poverty and trying to survive together as neighbors, not enemies, I wish I could transfer my experiences to you, if it helps you sympathize with my poor brothers and sisters at least a bit more, about half were "pure" like you (albeit with a different attitude about people like me). But very few were white, maybe 1/5th, unless you count the mongrels in the mix like myself, the others spoke both English and Spanish and were brown.

Peace.

[bravenak]

171. You have it wrong

I am multi ethnic. Black. White. Hispanic white. Native american. See? Which group fully accepts me regardless of my curly hair, brown skin, and hispanic surname???
I bet you can guess. My point is that blacks have historically not been allowed to 'become white' like immigrant groups. After a few generations, others are integrated, we are not allowed to become integrated, because of that historic slavery based color racism. Nothing has been done to rectify it. It is barely ackowledged. And once we begin speaking, we are told we are selfish for wanting what we are OWED. We are OWED equality. We have been here since before many of these white immigrant groups and are still disadvantaged. Why? Because we SHUT UP. Because we allow ourselves to be shamed into not asking for our due. Because we listen to nonsense like 'racism cannot be fixed!' That is bullshit, yes it can, we gotta hash it out until folks stop being so sensitive about hearing that other are oppressed.

This constant acceptance of a lower rung is the outside of enough. I exoect failure. All of them. Politicians fail. Cities fail. States fail. People fail. They all fail on race.

But to hear that someone is a champion and a fighter and say, show me, I feel like I'm from Missouri. Show me. Aint nothing there. Just a paper revolution. Hell, if I cannot get affirmative action I'll take at the very least a proper recording of the history of my people enshrined in law as a must do.

I cannot stop poking holes in his plans. They just do not account for race. His racial justice platform is so nice but has nothing in the way of how to. I hate that. When I plan a painting Indo thumbnails, drawings, a mock up,transfer that baby and then do the work. But I plan that shit. I hate big exciting bold and empty plans more than I hate mediocrity.

[Dragonfli]

178. Then you should hold Hillary to the same standard

I hold them to the same standard, but she has caused real damage and even death, and her beliefs, plans and positions change all the time.

He is consistent and has done a lot more for a lot more people. She mostly like the rich and they are who she cares about.
besides the fact that IMO she is racist as hell and don't even hide it that well, I remember her shit with Obama in '08.

[Quayblue]

148. next time

I'm gonna hide you..just kidding...

[JonLeibowitz]

150. :-) And don't get me wrong...I was completely open to hearing about any such legislation

But I knew there would be none. However, repeated calls in the other thread for a fair and honest comparison of what Hillary had done were denied as off topic. So I needed to make this thread.

[Quayblue]

155. ha!

see yall tomorrow.

[Quayblue]

139. oh

well that sucks. I thought we were getting somewhere. better luck next time I guess.

[leftupnorth]

9. But did she end racism?

*sips tea*

[2pooped2pop]

13. NOT GOOD ENOUGH HILLARY

[SMC22307]

108. No, but she's formed "relationships" and "friendships," see?

Fat lotta good that does for those living in the decaying side of "Two Americas" cities like Baltimore:



v.

[gyroscope]

16. She will continue expansion of the private prison system and War On Drugs

yeah that should be great for people of color.

why any black or latino person would vote for her is beyond me.

[virtualobserver]

63. I heard a Republican congressman promoting prison call center jobs as a way to keep jobs in the USA

the war on drugs is a great way to "recruit" "employees" so that we can compete in the world market at low wages.

[JimDandy]

97. Didn't you know it's okay to have your vote taken for granted by Hillary, if you're her firewall

(IOIYHFwall!)

[JonLeibowitz]

18. Kickin'. No answers yet.

[brooklynite]

21. She voted against the Bush Tax cuts in 2001 and voted to repeal them in 2007

I understand from Sanders supporters that dealing with economic inequality is a great way to deal with issues of concern to People of Color.

[noiretextatique]

25. not specifically for POC eom

[JonLeibowitz]

29. Thank you, but as already observed, this does not apply.

This is about PoC-specific legislation.

And this is about HILLARY, not Bernie.

[Live and Learn]

31. Votes don't count according to Bravenak's rules. It has to be legislation she proposed that passed.

[MellowDem]

69. I understand from Hillary supporters...

that they're willing to support someone that uses dog whistles against minorities when convenient.

[ucrdem]

22. The defining issue is gun violence. Hillary's record is good, Bernie's is bad.

Leaving aside Bernie, here's what Hillary has done to reduce gun violence, from her site:

* As first lady, she co-convened a White House Summit on School Violence after the Columbine tragedy. She also strongly defended the Brady Bill, which instituted federal background checks on some gun sales.

* As senator, she co-sponsored and voted for legislation to close the gun show loophole by requiring criminal background checks on all transactions taking place at events that sell firearms.

* She voted against the dangerous immunity protections Congress provided gun dealers and manufacturers that prevent victims of gun violence from holding negligent manufacturers and dealers accountable.

* She also co-sponsored and voted for legislation to extend and reinstate the assault weapons ban.

As president, Hillary will increase the number of gun sales subject to background checks:

* Comprehensive federal background check legislation. Background checks reduce gun trafficking, reduce the lethality of domestic violence, and reduce unlawful gun transfers to dangerous individuals. It is reprehensible that bipartisan legislation supporting background checks failed in Congress after the shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School. But Hillary is not giving up—she will continue to fight for legislation to build on the Brady Bill’s success.

* Closing the “Charleston Loophole.” Hillary will push Congress to close the loophole that allows a gun sale to proceed without a completed background check if that check has not been completed within three days. This loophole allowed the alleged Charleston shooter to purchase a gun even though he had a criminal record.

* Tightening the gun show and Internet sales loophole if Congress won’t. If Congress refuses to act, Hillary will take administrative action to require that any person attempting to sell a significant number of guns abide by the same commonsense rules that apply to gun stores—including requiring background checks on gun sales.

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/gun-violence-prevention/
...........

Detailed comparison of Sanders vs. Clinton on gun violence:

http://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Hillary_Clinton_Gun_Control.htm

[Arazi]

24. Nope, not good enough! Unless it's specificly for POC, it doesn't count

[JonLeibowitz]

26. Yep. Gun violence applies to ALL people. This is about PoC.

Seems people have amnesia.

[noiretextatique]

30. defining issues for who?

[ucrdem]

34. For voters. It defines the candidates' position vis-a-vis POC communities.

Bernie thinks gun rights are more important and has voted that way. Hillary thinks lives are more important and has a record of supporting legislation limiting gun ownership and reducing gun violence. Call it a litmus test.

[JonLeibowitz]

40. Excuse me, this OP is about Hillary, not Bernie. Please try to stay on topic. n/t

[Odin2005]

52. The Gun Control Movement has it's origin in racism.

It's roots are in suburban white fears about the Black Panthers teaching Blacks how to defend themselves and one of the movements original leaders was then California governor Ronald Reagan. Hillary's racist remarks 20 years ago calling Black youth "super-predators" were a continuation of this.

[merrily]

57. Wrong on all counts. It's not the defnining issue and the NRA rates Bernie D- to F.

And Hillary wrote no gun legislation that passed anyway.

Oh, and you're off topic from the OP.

I think that about covers it.

[ucrdem]

73. In this context, it is. And this is where the battle will be fought and won. nt

[merrily]

131. Hillary would like it to be the defining issue, but it is not. Sorry!

[JimDandy]

106. Co-sponsored legislation doesn't count. You can sign on to legislation at the last second.

Not good enough. Try again.

[Live and Learn]

23. Well, that IWR vote created a lot of jobs, albeit dead end ones.

And she has kept people off of street corners by supporting putting them in prison.

Oh yeah, she gave them super posers by naming them super-predators.

That is all that comes to mind.

[noiretextatique]

27. here's my list

[Go Vols]

32. what I came up with too.

[Aerows]

35. Obviously you know who I am on the jury.

call out of another member, which violates community standards.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Wed Feb 17, 2016, 10:50 PM, and the Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: this isn't an alert worthy post. it's called DIALOGUE. bravenak posted her post, Jon posted his, and some of us like to learn as long as no one is being disrespected. and in fact, I just served on a bravenak jury where the same type of alert came through. please stop it and let us read respectful dissents!!!!!!!!
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: A hat tip is not a call out. This is a big, fat NO WAY.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation:
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Are you kidding me?
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Oh, come on.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: When asking for policy positions as a reason to vote for a candidate becomes "calling people out", then I probably shouldn't be posting here either.

Seriously, asking for specific policy positions is "calling people out"? What forum am I on? Aerows <---- Signing my name to this particular jury vote.

[Arazi]

38. Lol, knew bravenak's loyal band would alert

[JudyM]

41. Once again, you are my heroine.

[JonLeibowitz]

43. Amazing! I was hoping for the swarm! They never fail! Except when they get a 0-7 :D

[Quayblue]

46. we are going to fucking lose if we can't respectfully counter each other

I don't like these alerts one bit

[Aerows]

50. I didn't make the alert

and I don't dislike either of the folks that were involved in the tête-à-tête.

I just offered my opinion that it was a dumb alert, and that I didn't think any of the actors involved would have taken it to that level.

[Quayblue]

60. I know you didn't

was just expressing frustration.

[JonLeibowitz]

74. Heck no!

bravenak and I are best buddies.

[Duckhunter935]

82. lol

Someone can't alert for 24 hours

[kath]

107. Well, that alerter is in the corner for 24 hrs. tragic!

We really should keep track of these 0-7 alerts.
How many others have lost their alert privileges today?

[Aerows]

119. I got the alert

decided it was frivolous, and voted accordingly.

That's the best we can do, and at least, it lets the person who made a goofy alert know that a jury of their peers thought that it was an alert with no merit.

[2banon]

174. Well Done Aerows!

[Quayblue]

44. I'm getting confused (jury results)

and maybe I'm just a weird person, which I ignore 99% of the time. you started your own thread, as requested, and I was looking forward to this (I don't/can't/refuse to post as much as you guys and I appreciate the challenging mature discussions). not speaking for bravenak, but she seems cool with the alternate post. and the smilie tipped a hat. anyhow, here are the results:

On Wed Feb 17, 2016, 10:39 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Can I have a list of Hillary's Pro POC legislation?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511260865

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

call out of another member, which violates community standards.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Wed Feb 17, 2016, 10:50 PM, and the Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: this isn't an alert worthy post. it's called DIALOGUE. bravenak posted her post, Jon posted his, and some of us like to learn as long as no one is being disrespected. and in fact, I just served on a bravenak jury where the same type of alert came through. please stop it and let us read respectful dissents!!!!!!!!
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: A hat tip is not a call out. This is a big, fat NO WAY.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation:
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Are you kidding me?
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Oh, come on.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: When asking for policy positions as a reason to vote for a candidate becomes "calling people out", then I probably shouldn't be posting here either.

Seriously, asking for specific policy positions is "calling people out"? What forum am I on? Aerows <---- Signing my name to this particular jury vote.

[Aerows]

47. It was baffling for me, too

I like Bravenak - though as of late I have vigorously disagreed with her. I can't imagine why this post got alerted on.

What the hell. I'm pretty sure even BraveAK would wonder why in the hell this got alerted upon since she is pretty direct when discussing issues.

[Quayblue]

65. I primarily agree with her

and Jon wasn't being an ass; I like to read conflicting opinions, particularly when the posts are respectful.

[Utopian Leftist]

194. Perhaps Hillary's supporters find discussion of issues

to be a form of attack? Since they know that Her Heinous can only win by cult of personality, since her stances on the issues people care about universally suck? Because Hillary doesn't have any clear message or agenda or theme or purpose, other than getting a woman elected immediately, and so to speak about her stance on an issue is an attack on her chances of becoming President?

[Spitfire of ATJ]

77. I'm waiting for the day when I serve on one of my own posts.

[Quayblue]

99. I hope you wouldn't have to

besides hoping the software wouldnt allow it. I'm a justice-oriented 6w5 enneagram person.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

125. Must be a pain ordering pants for that.

[Quayblue]

134. that's why I go and try them on

ordering never works well for me.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

159. Got it. We'll get someone else to go for pizza.

[Quayblue]

160. tikka masala please

good night

[George II]

48. If you had a problem with her OP, why didn't you address it there?

[merrily]

59. OT. Besides, Jon never said he had a problem with her OP.

[JonLeibowitz]

72. I had no problem with it.

I did have a slight problem with the claims it was about Bernie in a vacuum, and I think I tried to poke fun at this illusion in my posting here.

But no, it was a fine question. And a few people even found pieces of legislation he came up with that specifically (though not entirely) addressed issues affecting PoC.

[merrily]

135. The poster seems to be opposed to your having fun with it on your own thread,

instead of picking a fight on the original thread.

It's vs and you apparently made the wrong choice! No soup for you!

[whatchamacallit]

67. Every time this question was asked in hers

she declined to answer and encouraged the questioner start their own OP.

[Arazi]

68. Bravenak said to create this OP

Numerous times

[Bobbie Jo]

75. Meh

This is just another opportunity to mock and dismiss.

Folks are grabbing popcorn upthread, so...yeah.

Going in my overflowing trash bin.

[JonLeibowitz]

78. It was a good faith effort at dialogue.

Unfortunately, some prefer to alert rather than engage the issues. Nothing I can do about that.

[Bobbie Jo]

93. And some prefer to mock and munch on popcorn.

"Sit back and watch," etc...

Not feeling the good faith here, perhaps another time.

[JonLeibowitz]

95. Well, they already addressed the Bernie questions on the other OP. So it is time to kick back.

But so far no Hillary supporter has stepped up here.

[Bobbie Jo]

109. Like I said

This is just another opportunity to mock and dismiss. The responses are reflective of the spirit in which this was offered.

There is no "good faith" to be had here, carry on amongst yourselves. At this point I regret having waded into this mock-fest.

[JTFrog]

161. Yea, I'm with you.

Things are just a little too transparent to buy into the good faith argument.

[Duckhunter935]

85. the OP WAS told to start his own thread

Do you have a problem with that?

[fbc]

49. Did anyone come up with any yet?

[840high]

71. I'm still thinking. None yet.

[kath]

111. crickets.

Shocking, eh?

[ybbor]

61. Wow!

These are all powerful and worthy legislative works I've been reading here.

Whew, well that explains it.

[mgmaggiemg]

62. why not visit her site

or gove site or wikipedia?

[jeff47]

188. Because they don't list anything that qualifies.

They list the three pieces of legislation she introduced that passed. They weren't about PoC.

[zentrum]

64. No, but I can name 3 pieces

..of legislation she helped her hubby pass that hurt POC. Badly.

The Prison Reform Bill. The Welfare Reform Bill. NAFTA.

Later, as Senator, she supported the Iraq War. The volunteer army always falls more heavily on POC because the military is often the only viable route to an education.

I know, this is all a broken record by now, but the list is serious as cancer.

[JDPriestly]

90. Thank you.

[JimDandy]

117. This is why Hillary Clinton's term 'firewall' for POC is so disgusting:

"The volunteer army always falls more heavily on POC because the military is often the only viable route to an education."

It is beyond tone deaf to use the that term for POC, when they were literally the wall of people being fired on and dying in a war she voted yes on.

[zentrum]

126. Well Put.

The "Volunteer" Army was designed to keep middle class (majority white) college kids from protesting and interfering with these disgusting wars for empire.

The con is endless. Endless.

BTW—be sure to go see Michael Moore's "Where To Invade Next". Really important film. Touches on the prison con in this country—and how hard it falls on POC, as 21st Century version of slavery.

[JimDandy]

133. Absolutely. Former military here, but this was so obvious

to anyone. And the simultaneous use of 'contractors' to hide the money flow.

I'll check out that film-been a long-time prison reform advocate.

[Nanjeanne]

89. Forget when she was in Senate

What did she do in college, her jobs before she was First Lady?

What protests did she participate in, what marches, did she do community law for PoC? Was she a community organizer? Anything?

[JonLeibowitz]

91. I think she was involved in some political groups in college.

Perhaps that is where she learned how to give such good speeches.

[nadinbrzezinski]

103. To be fair she did go to work for the Children's defense fun

but I can be honest.

She was recently honored for that

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2013/06/27/hillary-clinton-to-be-honored-for-childrens-advocacy/

Since you asked.

[Nanjeanne]

113. While Chair of CDF she was also on Board of Walmart

And the founder of the CDF spoke out vehemently against the Welfare Reform Bill that moved so many children into poverty.

Besides I thought this thread was what has she done for PoC.


So...,,

[nadinbrzezinski]

115. I know... it gets complicated

I just answered your very, and I mean this, very narrow question with a very narrow answer.

but I know about Wally world... that is... as Paul Harvey used to say on the radio. "the rest of the story."

(And with that Paul Harvey reference I just severely dated myself)

[radical noodle]

128. Okay...

She worked with teens incarcerated in adult prisons in South Carolina. I assume that this was through the Children's Defense Fund.
She went house to house to find special needs kids who were not enrolled in school and worked to get them enrolled and their needs taken into consideration. (she was also bashed for this by the GOP because... well... Marian Wright Edelman)
At some point, she went to Texas to register Latinos to vote, I believe for George McGovern's campaign.
She did pro-bono children's rights cases. (She was bashed for this later by Republicans who claimed she wanted to let children sue their parents)
She went to southern schools pretending to be looking for a school that didn't allow black children, to find those schools in violation of the law. (I'm sure this was popular with the GOP as well)
As first lady of Arkansas, she implemented a program called Parents for Preschool Youngsters which taught parents of at risk preschoolers to give their children a good start for school.
She co-founded the Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families which deals with education, health care and juvenile justice.
She helped to establish Arkansas's first neonatal nursery in Arkansas Child Hospital.
She worked to improve education in Arkansas, which at the time was nearly at the bottom of the states in quality of education, getting input from teachers and parents all over the state.
As far as I know, all the things she established in Arkansas are still working well today.

That's much of what she did before she went to Washington DC as FLOTUS.

This information is not hidden. It's available to anyone who wants to check it out.

[nadinbrzezinski]

130. That is hardly the point

the point is that some of us can be honest to the story on BOTH sides. But that is our job.

[radical noodle]

169. There IS no point to this

Questions were asked and have been answered. Whether you want to accept them or ignore them is your decision.

[nadinbrzezinski]

193. Who said I am ignoring them?

To think that is YOUR PRERROGATIVE

[nadinbrzezinski]

94. I like my popcorn plain

And sir, touche.

[JonLeibowitz]

102. I prefer it with a dressing of alert stalking.

[nadinbrzezinski]

104. Well that goes without saying

if you do that, you will get alerted.

I did laugh at it by the way.

[Fuddnik]

110. I was thinking about a snack right now.

POPCORN!!!!

[thereismore]

98. That's a simple question isn't it? nt

[Lucinda]

100. Sure:

As mentioned above, there were no laws made.

These passed the Senate:

S.Res.52 - A resolution honoring Shirley Chisholm for her service to the Nation and expressing condolences to her family, friends, and supporters on her death.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/109th-congress/senate-resolution/52?q=%7B"search"%3A%5B"Hillary+Clinton"%5D%7D


S.Res.490 - A resolution recognizing the Alvin Ailey American Dance Theater for 50 years of service to the performing arts.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/110th-congress/senate-resolution/490?q=%7B"search"%3A%5B"Hillary+Clinton"%5D%7D

S.Res.334 - A resolution recognizing the Ellis Island Medal of Honor.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/107th-congress/senate-resolution/334?q=%7B"search"%3A%5B"Hillary+Clinton"%5D%7D


There are a LOT of other proposals from the Civil Rights History Project Act of 2008, to a wide variety of health and education related submissions, but I didn't include them because they did come to a floor vote.

[Indepatriot]

120. Superficial posturing with no real effect on the lives of POC..... none.

Not. Good. Enough.

[Lucinda]

127. There is nothing superficial about the subjects of those three resolutions

And as I noted, there are a significant amount of proposals that were made which did not make it to the floor.

You can downplay all you want, but there is a legislative record of Hillary's commitment to the health and well being of POC.

[Indepatriot]

141. I never said the "subjects" of the resolutions themselves were superficial, only the resolutions.

Please educate me how the first two did anything to actually improve the lives of anyone. Both honorees are outstanding, and deserve the honors, but honoring them did nothing for the average citizen.

[Lucinda]

143. So.....Having your cultural icons honored by your government means nothing.

Gotcha.

[Indepatriot]

146. Window dressing, plain and simple. Nice, appropriate, but in no way addresses the day to day

challenges of POC. I know, maybe she could support an end to the "war on drugs"...but alas, her financial supporters in the prison for profit game wouldn't have it.....

[Lucinda]

149. Well I disagree, as I am sure many others will.

You could take a little time and wander through the records yourself. It might prove enlightening. As I mentioned, there is quite a bit that I didn't include because it didn't come to a floor vote.

[Bluenorthwest]

192. I tell you what those arts organizations like Ailey need- funding. If you were to look at the

financial troubles faced by such dance companies and theater companies over the years, Ailey in particular you will find out why that is the only thing that matters.
Here is a piece from 1995 about that very thing in which the director of the Ailey company says everybody wants the arts "nobody wants to pay the light bills."
http://www.nytimes.com/1995/01/08/arts/dance-dancing-precariously-on-the-bottom-line.html?pagewanted=all

Here is a piece about a Miami dance company that folded last summer after 15 years.
http://www.miamiherald.com/entertainment/performing-arts/article32468718.html


We could do this all day. Bernie Sanders is the candidate who knows the value of the arts and also knows exactly what the arts needs from government- funding.

[6chars]

140. Shirley Chisolm, Alvin Ailey

Relevant.

[JTFrog]

158. Basically a waste of time to go through them all because they will be ignored or dismissed.

Cosponsor S.Res.396
A resolution expressing the sense of the Senate that the hanging of nooses should be thoroughly investigated by Federal, State and local law enforcement authorities and that any criminal violations should be vigorously prosecuted.

Cosponsor S.Res.380
Calls on U.S. citizens to observe Black History Month. Acknowledges the tragedies of slavery, lynching, and segregation and condemns them as an infringement on human liberty and equal opportunity.

Cosponsor S.2554 - Civil Rights Act of 2008
Amends the Civil Rights Act of 1964, the Education Amendments of 1972, and the Age Discrimination Act of 1975 to set forth requirements for: (1) establishing discrimination based on disparate impact; and (2) rights of action and recovery for unlawful discrimination (intentional or based on disparate impact). Amends those Acts and the Rehabilitation Act of 1973 to set forth requirements regarding a right of recovery for harassment.

Cosponsor S.Con.Res.53
Photo identification requirements for voting should be rejected.

Cosponsor S.Res.39
A resolution apologizing to the victims of lynching and the descendants of those victims for the failure of the Senate to enact anti-lynching legislation.

Cosponsor S.2088
Fairness and Individual Rights Civil Rights Act of 2004

Cosponsor S.16
Equal Rights and Equal Dignity for Americans Act of 2003
Including support for criminal investigations and prosecutions by State and local law enforcement officials for hate crimes.

Cosponsor S.1284 - Employment Non-Discrimination Act of 2002

Like you said, there are a lot of proposals to go through. If anyone is really interested, they can get info on legislation sponsored or cosponsored by Hillary at congress.gov.

[Rilgin]

167. Um. What about the aecond part of the claim.

Isnt she a "progressive who can get things done." What happenned to all these proposed bills. Could she not "get things done"?

[Lucinda]

170. There are lots of things that passed the Senate that she proposed. Perhaps go check for yourself?

[Rilgin]

176. I actually looked on Congress.com

I looked briefly at the feel good ones. Noticed some had support of both Clinton and sanders. Rosa parks black history month. Sanders introduced some as well like commemorating the 4 girls in birmingham. However all good things.

The civil rights act of 2008 went nowhere.

[Lucinda]

168. Yep. I had at one point in time, started to collect them, but there are sooo many

and it really is easy enough if people had want to check them out for themselves. Just takes a little time.
I always do for the candidates, just to get a sense of what matters to them.

[radical noodle]

101. Google is your friend

The list of all the things she sponsored. Some of those may have had many sponsors. Many would have helped POC tremendously. Paycheck fairness, a variety of healthcare bills and as always for senators some things like a Harriet Tubman Memorial Park that did little but honor someone who deserved it.

As always, you see what you want to see.

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/browse?sponsor=300022

[JonLeibowitz]

105. I'm terribly sorry, but only legislation that exclusively benefits PoC answers the OP.

If it helped others then it may be fine legislation but it doesn't 'count'. Sorry.

[nadinbrzezinski]

114. I love it that you are using the same exact ridicolous goal post

(it must be on wheels, or it would be hard to move) and they have no clue how to counter it

[JonLeibowitz]

121. I had a great time with this OP. It has been a fun night.

Thanks for stopping by.

(Of course the one interesting thing is that only Bernie's work has resulted in substantive improvements in PoC's lives. But I can't say that in this thread, though it was pointed out in the other).

[nadinbrzezinski]

123. You welcome, I needed the break

poverty issues can be hard to read into

[retrowire]

129. applause for you good sir. nt

[Loudestlib]

122. Interesting

Support for Iraq Oil Trust Act of 2008

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/110/s3470/text/is

I wonder who would manage such a trust?

[Indepatriot]

124. Not legislation..... but she did coin the popular phrase...

"Hard working Americans, white Americans"

and also helped popularize another term used to describe primarily youthful POC: "SUPER PREDATORS"

I mean, give a gal some credit will ya?

[Ed Suspicious]

137. Sadly, I'm just not seeing much in the way of good answers in this thread. How saddening.

[JonLeibowitz]

144. But of course, some of us knew what the sound of the many non-lulz, substantive posts would be.

[lovemydog]

147. Next to nothing.

Just like Sanders. Thanks JL and b for raising this on your threads. As I said on b's thread, reasonable minds can disagree on who would be better for people of color. Many arguments here are personal diatribes or divorced from reality.

Neither Clinton nor Sanders is a civil rights hero. Neither is the antichrist. Both are far better than any current republican. Good luck to both candidates. Let's keep laughing too!

[olddots]

152. oh bravenak ?

[lovemydog]

156. You may suffer from bds.

Bravenak derangement syndrome.

Good luck with it!

[CBGLuthier]

154. Sure, here you go. Complete list is below.

[bravenak]

165. -

I am not too impressed. But she did SOMETHING
https://www.congress.gov/bill/110th-congress/senate-bill/3511
https://www.congress.gov/bill/110th-congress/senate-bill/3334
https://www.congress.gov/bill/110th-congress/senate-concurrent-resolution/10
https://www.congress.gov/bill/110th-congress/senate-bill/748

[merrily]

177. Of those, which were signed into law? And which had to do with people of color?

No one said she didn't write anything.

[bravenak]

179. The info was there

[merrily]

180. Don't be so shy. None of it became law, even the ceremonial stuff.

You missed a couple, though.

[uponit7771]

181. +1, but Clinton didn't spend 2231234 years in congress either... I think the amount of legislation

... would've been higher had she spent more time

[jeff47]

189. But she's supposed to be the one who can get things done.

She couldn't get anything done?

[uponit7771]

190. It looks like she did get things done in the short time she was there.

[jeff47]

191. Then why is there no legislation that satisfies the "rules" outlined by Bravenak? (nt)

[Hydra]

196. *chirp chirp*

[bravenak]

195. One would think his submissions would dwarf hers. He is the hero

[JonLeibowitz]

198. Thank you. I am not too impressed either. But neither of our candidates really fit the bill for this

It is a shame, really.

When I meet Democratic politicians now I will make it a point to ask them about PoC legislation they introduce or have supported. It seems it may be quite rare.

[bravenak]

199. This is why I like Stein

She really is good. On most issues. Sigh.

[JonLeibowitz]

200. I really, really like her too. She even supports reparations ( that affects PoC right? ;-) )

In another world, not on DU, I might consider voting for her.

[bravenak]

201. Yep. She is down with the cause.

And me too. In another world.

[slipslidingaway]

175. knr nt

[Warren Stupidity]

182. Well she championed the "End of Welfare Act".

That was great!

Also she championed the "Lock Everyone the Fuck Up Forever Act".

That was great!

Plus she voted yes to go to war in Iraq, which killed somewhere around 100,000 people who weren't exactly white. That was great too!

[Hydra]

197. It's so quiet in here...

Are we sure this is GDP?