The claim that Bernie supporters shouted down Huerta...

[gregcrawford]

... has been proven to be a bald-faced lie. The Clinton operatives behind all these dishonest slurs are not doing their candidate any favors.

[SidDithers]

1. ...has been confirmed by neutral sources...

http://www.buzzfeed.com/evanmcsan/sources-bernie-supporters-did-chant-english-only-at-latina-l?bftwnews&utm_term=.vnYv7j94V#

Two sources — both of whom are neutral and not affiliated with the Sanders or Clinton campaigns — told BuzzFeed News that it happened the way Huerta described.

Sid

[gregcrawford]

3. SNOPES says otherwise...

... with lots of documentation. And the Clinton people already have a pretty sordid track record in this regard.

[yardwork]

7. Snope's "documentation" is Susan Sarandon's account.

Not exactly a neutral source.

This isn't over yet. Meanwhile, I am completely disgusted by the mob attack on Dolores Huertes, a civil rights icon who is in her 80s.

Anybody smearing Dolores Huertes can go fuck themselves.

[gregcrawford]

9. Read ALL of it.

[brush]

26. Here's the video with the "English only" phrase.

http://crooksandliars.com/2016/02/sanders-supporters-shout-down-delores

Scroll down to the third video.

[Cassiopeia]

36. one person speaking in a normal tone from the back of the room.

The person holding the camera no less.

[eomer]

46. That is clearly a Hillary supporter. She said "Bernie is English only, Bernie is English only".

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She is the same person who said, "It's Dolores Huerta, my goodness", at the end of the first video in that link.

Clearly she was criticizing Bernie supporters.

You seem to be implying, in multiple posts, that the video shows Bernie supporters saying "English only". It does not.

[treestar]

60. Snopes is losing credibility

they simply made an argument for this one.

No proof it was not said - not possible. Accusing Dolores of "lying" is reprehensible.

[gregcrawford]

64. It was not said by a Bernie supporter...

... and maybe Ms Huerta mistook the woman in the back of the room for a crowd; she is getting on in years. Maybe Clinton's check for a 100 grand adversely affected her perception. No matter. There are still plenty of opportunities for Super PAC chairmen to make full use of the inherent elasticity of truth; they've had no problem with it so far.

[DefenseLawyer]

5. Unnamed sources on Buzzfeed

Well there you go. Nevermind the actual video of the event.

[UglyGreed]

22. It's just more of the same

Bull crap. They need to be dirty because they can not win on values nor reputation. There are many kitchen sinks flying around.......

[brush]

27. Here's the video with the "English only" phrase.

http://crooksandliars.com/2016/02/sanders-supporters-shout-down-delores

Scroll down to the third video.

[elljay]

50. Snopes Viewes that Video

And determined it was the moderator who made the statement. Your point?

[DefenseLawyer]

58. It appears the moderator was trying to follow caucus rules.

That require a "neutral translator". That's was the only person I heard say "English only". I realize that the rules are for suckers, but hey, some people are just funny like that. I do hear one female voice yelling "neutral!" repeatedly. If you watch that video and hear Sanders supporters "shouting her down" with "chants" of "English only!" you are seeing something that I'm not in the same video.

[Green Texan]

10. Hillary's supporters have lost all credibility

http://www.snopes.com/sanders-english-only-huerta/

[SoLeftIAmRight]

14. A Saint Huerta would have found common ground and resolved the situation rationally.

A Saint Huerta would have never tweeted what seems to be a lie.

But Dolores Huerta is just a fine woman who made a mistake.

To many there she was just another Clinton supporter - not a saint or a god or just a fine lady - what people saw was a Clinton supporter - serving as an "unbiased speaker"

nothing evil - nothing personal - simple balance was asked for

The issue would have ended there if a terrible thing did not follow

She tweeted a lie and has now taken it back
A fine lady would take the next step and work to resolve this situation well.

[brush]

30. Here's the video with the "English only" phrase.

http://crooksandliars.com/2016/02/sanders-supporters-shout-down-delores

Scroll down to the third video.

Retract at your leisure.

[barbtries]

34. so i did

and it's one person saying it in a normal speaking voice. possibly the person taking the video but at any rate someone very close to the videographer. to say that she was shouted down with multiple people yelling "english only" at her is indeed untrue.

[2banon]

49. Delores Huerta is a much cherished icon, but she is no saint in politics

She will do whatever it takes to win by any means necessary. And she would be the first to say so. She cast her chips in with HRC's campaign, obviously because she thinks HRC has the best chance in winning the primaries and it's in her own best interest to put her reputation on the line in that camp.

"It's not personal, It's Politics". And this is how it's played.

Unfortunately for everyone.

[MrMickeysMom]

40. As opposed to persons who were actually there and video that picked up "neutral"...

You'd have to be blind and deaf or just willfully ignorant to dispense what happened.

Like JR pointed out in one of those cheesy Dallas segments, "you gonna believe your lying eyes?"

Of COURSE!!!!

[Bluenorthwest]

42. Here is how Huerta described Nevada Caucus 2008:

"And it’s interesting that in Nevada, where she got almost 59 percent of the Latino vote, in spite of the oppression and the voter suppression and huge intimidation on the part of the Obama supporters of the Latino casino workers, they voted for Hillary."

So to take her word about the one, it is required to take her word about the other. One has to discount the amazing coincidence of her facing huge intimidation from people who have a different Democratic candidate year after year and just say yes, Obama supporters engaged in huge intimidation and suppression of Latino workers and now it's happened again.
http://www.democracynow.org/2008/2/1/democratic_presidential_nomination_could_hinge_on


She says stuff. It's her thing. She trashes Obama in that interview six ways to Sunday, lacks courage, poor judgement, dumps nuke waste on poor people, won't help Latinos, it does not end.

[PonyUp]

53. Snopes existence depends on their credibility. They've been doing this since 1995. n/t

[Jezza]

2. ...hard to believe

Clinton's machine is running overtime for sure.

[Jarqui]

4. This is routine for Hillary, nothing special going on here

She was dishonest when she showed up in Washington and she'll be dishonest long after she leaves Washington

She didn't win Nevada on the merits. She won Nevada on a dishonest smear of Bernie's 2007 immigration vote and his immigration record. Huerta also helped deliver those smears.

Hillary may well beat Bernie doing that because he's an honest, decent man - he won't lie or get dirty. But the GOP won't let her lie her way into the White House because they're smarter,better liars and dirtier than she is. Always have been.

[Robbins]

17. dem establishment has won it for her

caucus system is fixed for her.bernie can't overcome that.

black vote was won by her 76 to 22.it likely holds like that and will cancle out any Latino vote for bernie.the smears are about trying to hurt latino vote for bernie but as nevada proves she doesn't need latino vote with blacks and seniors.

Trump will win.same tactics they used against bernie will be used against her to win election.

States like kansas and Wisconsin and michigan will be model of what the united states will be like under total republican rule.

[Jarqui]

18. Not lots there I disagree with

I'm still feeling the GOP establishment are going to get behind Rubio and when the field thins, he'll get the majority of votes from candidates dropping out and pass Trump

[cannabis_flower]

54. I don't know if

the African-American vote will cancel the Latino vote. The Latino population is larger in California, Texas and Florida. And some others. Not sure if that will translate to votes. If Sanders can win the Latino vote and narrow the African-American vote he could still be competitively.

[LovingA2andMI]

39. THIS!!

Hillary may well beat Bernie doing that because he's an honest, decent man - he won't lie or get dirty. But the GOP won't let her lie her way into the White House because they're smarter,better liars and dirtier than she is. Always have been.

[Vinca]

6. I assumed it was BS.

What isn't BS is Harry Reid leaning on union bosses. Still crickets about that. If you were an underling forced to caucus by your boss, would you support your favorite candidate or the one your boss favors? Especially if you wanted to keep your job. The idea casino workers would support the candidate pushing the lower minimum wage is laughable.

[virtualobserver]

16. That is a good argument against caucuses.

Intimidation in a public vote is not good for Democracy

[nashville_brook]

21. wow, i've never thought of that.

not from a union family, or community growing up. but being around unions in my work as an adult i can totally see intimidation being a problem. jesus.

[hedda_foil]

25. It just dawned on me that caucusing inside the hotels/casinos means the bosses know who you vote for

[Dustlawyer]

29. How many cameras were taping the caucuses to monitor these people in a casino?

[snagglepuss]

51. That is an excellent point. This deserves it own thread, really this is staggering. nt

[Hiraeth]

35. What I would do is keep my mouth shut as much as possible and privately vote for whom -I-

want to be President.

[Cassiopeia]

37. In a public caucus with no privacy.

Good luck with that.

That would be possible with a primary and a private voting booth though.

[Hiraeth]

44. I am in a primary state. Thank the stars.

Caucus = Fuckus

[giftedgirl77]

63. Harry Reid called the casino execs as well & he got the employees

time off to caucus. Last I checked being allowed to go vote by your employer is a good thing.

[Hoyt]

8. I suspect the Civil Rights leader has hearing deficit from being yelled at by white folks for decade

and may well have been confused.

Fact is, Sanders supporters yelled at this elderly lady because they thought she would bias the translation. And then Sanders' supporters started the crud about her getting a much deserved donation from Clinton's Foundation.

Fact is, Sanders' supporters have been throwing the best of Democrats under the bus if they don't believe Sanders' promises will improve anything.

[Dustlawyer]

31. Would you have a problem with a Bernie surrogate, who has been critical of Hillary doing

the translation? It was a fair request to have a neutral do the translation. What wasn't fair was the artful smear of Bernie and the rest of us, his supporters. Me thinks Hillary doth project too much!

[Hoyt]

41. Yes, there were too many folks there for someone to lie in translation.

What the heck, do you think this Civil Rights icon was going to lie and say, "Senator Sanders says Latinos need to be shipped back in cattle cars, even if they are a citizen."

[Dustlawyer]

62. She lied about what was said about "Neutral" to make it "English Only!"

Of course she cannot be trusted. She took a hundred grand from Hillary for the quid pro quo, thats how Hillary is rolling this election. Its what she does!

[treestar]

61. so typical of them to assume a Hillary supporter would deliberately alter

a translation. They must be corrupt themselves, considering how quickly they assume corruption.

[TeddyR]

11. WaPo

Says video of the incident shows that at the least there was a lot of shouting and hissing. Inappropriate whoever you support

[GoneFishin]

12. It was bullshit on it's face. These stories are so obviously attempted smears that I don't pay too

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much attention because they are usually shot down within a day or so.

My reaction to these pathetic smears is the same as if someone said Hillary bit the heads off of live kittens on stage. No matter how dressed up with "witness" accounts and "reliable" sources I would know it was grade A chicken shit.

[Robbins]

13. doesn't matter

people want to believe it to smear bernie and his supporters.

[Waiting For Everyman]

15. The Clinton Foundation paid Huerta Foundation $100,000

How about them apples?

http://990s.foundationcenter.org/990pf_pdf_archive/300/300048438/300048438_201012_990PF.pdf

Page 33 at the top. Dolores Huerta Foundation

Now we see what so much money-raising is for.

[Jarqui]

19. Since leaving the White House, Bill and Hillary have raised $4 billion

That $100,000 gift from the Clintons to Huerta is like a person making $50,000/yr leaving a $1.25 tip. It's nothing to the Clintons.

[Waiting For Everyman]

20. Wow! Exactly.

Who really believes that people as wealthy as her are going to institute a tax-the-rich program? That's utter nonsense!

[earthside]

23. The Clintons will destroy the Democratic Party.

It is pure machine politics.
Political cronyism.

There isn't much left of the New Deal tradition of the Democratic Party as it is ... Hillary's ambition is in the process of eradicating what remains.

Even good people -- in the corrupt political environment of the United States in 2016 -- can be compromised, we are seeing that everyday now with the Clintons' bullying and bribing.

Whether she gets the nomination or not, serious damage is being done.
If we are so unfortunate that Mrs. Clinton is the nominee, the Party as a vehicle for the aspirations of the regular people is over.

[hfojvt]

55. in 2010

It is a bad thing now to support the Huerta Foundation?

Although yeah, it does seem like a long term strategy - use your foundation to buy friends.

[treestar]

65. It's a foundation!

Geez!

[cali]

24. Slime merchants. That's what the Clintons are.

[72DejaVu]

28. There is dispute over a particular phrase

There is no dispute that Sanders supporters shouted her down.

[gregcrawford]

33. I'll take Snopes word...

... over that of any Clinton operative.

[leftofcool]

38. Snopes or Susan Sarandon?

[Bluenorthwest]

48. I've met both Huerta and Sarandon and Susan I'd trust far more in politcal verbiage.

Huerta said Obama avoided Latinos, that his campaign engaged in huge intimidation of Latino workers, oppressing them and suppressing the vote in Nevada 2008. 'Huge intimidation' was her exact phrase. To be blunt with you, what she did with Obama was a dog whistle, and very nasty politics. With Bernie she's just repeating the same attacks.

[2banon]

59. I've never met Sarandon, but I've had to work with Huerta and it was eye opening

Learned a lot about how campaigns are played.. to say I didn't like what I saw would be a gross understatement.

The negative impact it had on my view of iconic leaders, and other political figures and organizations, including Union activists, championing the causes I had supported over my lifetime has made it hard to overcome and maintain hope.

But that's what we cannot allow to happen.

We must carry on with eyes wide open and prepared for worse to follow, but continue the fight. Don't let the poison toxic waste that is the by product of political campaigns keep you from participating, because if we let that happen, they win.

That's what I have to remind myself everyday.

[Skwmom]

32. Notice the actress that tweeted and backed up the debunked claim campaigned with Chelsea

http://www.denverpost.com/election/ci_29533741/chelsea-clinton-america-ferrera-campaign-hillary-denver

[elljay]

52. And apparently wasn't there

In Nevada

[TryLogic]

43. Clintons = Karl Rove

[George II]

45. No it has not.

http://crooksandliars.com/2016/02/sanders-supporters-shout-down-delores

[SidDithers]

47. ... has been confirmed, again, by Dolores Huerta...

The Washington Post's Abby Phillip caught up with Huerta to find out what happened next.

"The person who was running the caucus ... people were saying we need a translator, so he said the first person that comes to the stage can be the translator," Huerta said. "So I went up to the front to be the translator."

The video above shows that her appearance onstage wasn't so well received. Some Sanders supporters may have been disturbed by the idea of a Clinton supporter interpreting events for the entire crowd. But that doesn't explain everything Huerta said she heard from the crowd.

"It was mostly the organizers," Huerta continued. "The Bernie organizers were shouting, 'No, no, no.' Then a Bernie person stood up and said said, 'No, we need to have it, I can also do translation' or whatever. The person who ran the caucus said, 'Well, we won’t have a translator.' The sad thing about this is that some of the organizers were shouting, 'English only! English only!' The Bernie organizers."

Again, this is what Huerta says happened when she tried to interpret from English to Spanish at a Nevada caucus site. The crowd apparently included a large number of Bernie Sanders supporters. And given that much of the Las Vegas strip's workforce is made up of Latino Americans and Latino immigrants, one would expect that some people in the crowd might have wanted to hear Huerta.

Instead, Huerta and actress America Ferrera, an on-the-record Hillary Clinton supporter, both tweeted that Huerta was shouted down with chants of, "English only!"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/02/20/dolores-huerta-says-she-was-shouted-down-with-english-only-chants-from-a-sanders-crowd/


Sid

[Bluenorthwest]

57. Caucus rules call for a translator, of course. Also that translator is required to be neutral.

Huerta accused Obama supporters of 'huge intimidation' and suppression of the Latino vote in Nevada 08 and she is one of Clinton's strongest supporters both in 08 and today. She's not neutral. She's not qualified to be the translator at a caucus event because of that.
To call for the rules to be followed and for an unbiased translation to be offered is a call which supports those who need the translation and deserve that translation not to be full of editorial choices. A translator who has bad mouthed half the room in the past and who is part of one candidate's campaign claiming to be neutral is very dishonest.

What she is doing is claiming that objections to her being the translator are objections to having any translation and that is very self serving.

Do you think Obama supporters engaged in huge intimidation of Latino workers in Nevada 08 or not?

[NNadir]

56. Well, I'm unfamiliar with this controversy, but empirically, in my observation...

...Sanders supporters to exhibit a certain tendency to shout people down, here at least.

I have recently decided to support former Secretary of State Clinton, given the time to understand the situation. One reason is the attitude of people who denigrate her as the re-incarnation of Satan. She is hardly that, and the claim that she is strikes me as suggesting that much of Sanders support is delusional. There are many things on which I disagree with Ms. Clinton; and I question many of the decisions she has made, but nonetheless, I am not running for President, but if I were, I could agree with myself easily. Since I am not running, I have to make some compromises with my personal views. Frankly I wish there were more candidates, but right now there are only two.

It seems to me that many of the people advocated for Senator Sanders confuse him with the messiah coming down from heaven. If he is to govern, as opposed to simply send down oracles from nirvana, he will certainly have to make some decisions that will be difficult, and others that will be unwise. This is because he is not, in fact, an oracular god, but a human being.

It seems to me that many Sanders supporters have a very naive view of the world. This is certainly not true of all Sanders supporters; some, like my son who is one, are nuanced in their views.

But there's a lot of sound bite type shouting going on, and most of it here, in my view, comes from the Sanders wing of the Democratic Party, even if, in fact, Senator Sanders himself is not a Democrat.

Enjoy the remainder of the weekend.