2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumCould Spike Lee save Bernies campaign?
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that the black vote will decide this election.
Nationally, Bernie has a small lead amongst whites and a small deficit amongst Latinos but a huge deficit amongst blacks.
It's too late to change that in SCarlona and probably on Super Tuesday.
But, after that, if Bernie is still viable, there is only one question.
How or if Bernie can cut into his huge black vote deficit?
The only really big name African American that I've seen endorse Bernie is Spike Lee.
Maybe Bernie should heavily use him in commercials and rally appearances?
As a Bernie supporter, I think it may not be possible.
Hillary has done a great job securing the black vote.
Looks like they are going to be the difference.
Not really sure what Bernie could have done to change that. We shall see, I guess.
FYI, I am one old white liberal Bernie guy that will fully support Hillary if she is our nominee.
firebrand80
(2,760 posts)vdogg
(1,384 posts)Good lord... I uhhh.....I got nothing...
jonjon
(68 posts)It's a great radio ad BTW...
https://soundcloud.com/bernie_sanders/wake-up
You're right Firebrand Spike's voice is slightly funny!
Funtatlaguy
(10,875 posts)Some think using Spike Lee is stupid?
Do they feel the same about Morgan Freeman?
Geez....I didn't suggest Fat Albert.
uponit7771
(90,336 posts)JI7
(89,249 posts)Is Obama.
Funtatlaguy
(10,875 posts)Bernie can't win the black vote.
He just needs to bring it from 80-20 down to 60-40%.
demwing
(16,916 posts)jillan
(39,451 posts)Eric Gardner's daughter is a huge Bernie supporter while the mom is a Hillary supporter.
The younger vote is going to Bernie,
the older vote going to Hillary.
And that was before Spike's endorsement - so it's hard to say.
uponit7771
(90,336 posts)jillan
(39,451 posts)uponit7771
(90,336 posts)... HRC.
Henhouse
(646 posts)Which is perfect if you are leading a revolution. I'm not sure that a Spike Lee endorsement is going to improve Bernie's standing with establishment Democrats and mainstream civil rights leaders.
brooklynite
(94,550 posts)Funtatlaguy
(10,875 posts)But, Everybody knows Spike Lee.
Now, how well he's respected in the black community I wouldn't know.
uponit7771
(90,336 posts)... more among black politico than any other endorsement
sorechasm
(631 posts)The list keeps growing against the odds that keep being touted as inevitable.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Bernie_Sanders_presidential_campaign_endorsements,_2016
Revolutions do not operate by mechanical, algebraic statistical prediction. They are by nature, spontaneous. Which means that no one truly knows the outcome until the event is over.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)It's one freaking state. Hillary will win it by margins similar to the New Hampshire blowout, and that's no surprise to anyone paying attention. And he'll 'still be viable' afterwards.
Look, Bernie has been trending steadily upwards, Hillary bobbling down. She's GOING to win more states here at the beginning, he's going to win more at the end. Who wins depends upon just WHEN his trendlines pass hers.
Funtatlaguy
(10,875 posts)Where there are 11 more states.
Kentonio
(4,377 posts)whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)That's what I'm told anyway.
Matariki
(18,775 posts)May I remind everyone that 3 states does not make a win for Clinton - especially when she was historically trounced in one state, tied in the second, and barely won in the third that was supposed to be her 'western firewall'.
That said, glad Spike Lee is doing ads for Sanders.
kath
(10,565 posts)And much as Camp Weathervane tries to deny it, it's a sign of trouble for them that her big lead there evaporated.
Matariki
(18,775 posts)Today's is "pretend it's already won". Pathetic as all the other crap they've tried.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)is gonna make a huge difference, I dunno.
And I will vote for Bernie if he get the nod too.
Thank you for being a democrat sir!
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)The rich LOVE her.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Gotta love it!
WhaTHellsgoingonhere
(5,252 posts)The black vote was never in play.
PFunk1
(185 posts)Namely around 30. Now of course this is generalizing but here's what I've hearing. Those under it support Bernie. Those over it support Hillary. And it seems the Bernie faction is growing.
Take that what you may. But it's making some interesting times in the gathering places.
Matariki
(18,775 posts)just 'the black vote' or 'the latino vote' as if people in those groups were all of one mind. I don't know about you, but find it a bit troubling
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)They are completely left out of the conversation.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)oasis
(49,383 posts)I believe he's been put on a timeout due to his radioactivity.
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)he is tied with Hillary. So, no, I don't see Bernie's campaign in need of saving.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)demwing
(16,916 posts)and will continue to do fine
That said, Spike Lee's voice is welcome and appreciated!
coyote
(1,561 posts)GreatGazoo
(3,937 posts)is composed of people who can't make up their own individual minds and decide what is best for them (and has only one vote).
I think it is condescending, the whole media thing about this or that black person endorsed one or the other and therefore every black person in America is going to listen to them. Not as condescending as claiming them as one's "firewall" but condescending nonetheless.
Firewall (noun) = "a wall or partition designed to inhibit or prevent the spread of fire."
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)libdem4life
(13,877 posts)Spike's wife, that is.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)He was supposed to lose Iowa. He came from behind so fast that within the last 2 weeks, Hillary's camp was desperately lowering expectations, claiming that if she lost by single digits she would have "won" and her team was reduced to video-recorded cheating. They essentially tied.
He won NH by a landslide.
He was supposed to lose Nevada. He came from behind so fast that within the last 2 weeks, Hillary's camp was desperately lowering expectations, trying to claim that Nevada was 80% white. He lost by only 4 points, against videotaped cheating and reports of voter suppression.
Now they are tied in *earned* delegates.
He is winning the popular vote by a landslide.
His national poll numbers continue to rise, while hers continue to sink.
Until a couple weeks ago, Massachusetts heavily favored Hillary. Now their numbers have reversed. He's coming on strong in a lot of states.
There is still a long way to go in this primary.