2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHillary Clinton as a candidate, and potential nominee
The problem with Hillary Clinton as the nominee is that the GOP can come up with the most outlandish bullshit and the average voter believes it because she has been caught in so many instances of dishonesty, and both Clintons have a tendency to put themselves into situations where corruption is practically a given.
The Clinton Foundation foreign donors that gave millions will be the anchor around her neck the whole campaign. No one on the Republican side has made too much noise about it, because that is her Achilles heel. They are waiting to unload on her about that if she is the nominee, and anybody with two brain cells to rub together can point out the corruption. It's just poor damn judgment to do something like that. Just like it is poor judgment to say "I want to get the money out of political campaigns", then turn right around and say "I've taken millions in speaking fees, but money has not corrupted me."
She did three times more arms deals as Secretary of State than any of her predecessors, while garnering large donations from the foreign governments and foreign citizens that she made deals with. I'm not certain how anyone could look at that with an unbiased eye and arrive at the conclusion that money was not an influence.
Bill Clinton rode on the Epstein "Lolita Express" 17 times. Epstein is serving a prison sentence for having underage girls on the plane offering sexual services. No one can specifically say he was involved, but considering Bill's track record, it's going to raise eyebrows all over the place. Again, poor judgment even if nothing happened.
They do it to themselves. They should know by now that they will be scrutinized, and yet they continue to do things that are potentially troublesome even if they are on the up and up. The email server, the Clinton Foundation donations, Bill's trips on the Lolita Express - and those are just recent examples - are just symptoms of a MUCH bigger problem.
The Clintons just do not exhibit good judgment. You can't blame people for believing something is fishy when ... something looks fishy.
Bernie Sanders has been consistent and hasn't been repeatedly caught in lies. If somebody comes up with a story that points to corruption and dishonesty, people aren't going to believe it without some pretty compelling evidence.
If somebody comes up with a story that points to corruption and dishonesty (and doubly so if there is evidence such as things either of them say), the opposite happens with the Clintons. For Bill, anything that involves a potential scandal involving women, if there is even a tangential connection, people tend to believe it. For Hillary, if it involves abuse of power and dishonesty, that is her weak spot.
Whether any and all of those things I outlined actually resulted in illegal and unethical behavior, I don't think it takes a political wonk to realize that it reflected poor as hell judgment.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)I wanted to get across in the post was if you don't want to get accused of all sorts of violations due to poor judgment, start exercising better judgment.
Dems to Win
(2,161 posts)Then she wants to run for office again.
Abysmal judgement.
brooklynite
(94,606 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)It's no secret that there is nothing but a pack of lunatics on the GOP side. Right now, my main concern is that we get a candidate that can beat whichever of them wins - most likely it will be Trump.
JudyM
(29,251 posts)With vids like this (her own words) and being polled as garnering the lowest trust and highest unfavorability ratings, it seems pretty clear.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=H7ggTFfNVT4
But people are hung up on the Hillary vs Bernie drama instead of focusing on that bigger pic.
libtodeath
(2,888 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)that surrounds her campaign that really bugs me.
I agree with you that she needs to quit with the whole "don't question me" attitude.