My question to Clinton supporters

[togetherforever]

You seem giddy because of the recent poll more women support Clinton than Sanders.

Is it more important to you to see the first woman President or is it more important to you
to have a President that is not owned by banks and Wall Street?

Thanks

[EdwardBernays]

1. They believe

All politicians are corrupt.

All criticism of Clinton is a lie and right-wing smear.

[Agschmid]

3. Nope, not all of us.

[EdwardBernays]

9. Those are the most common things I've heard

All politicians are corrupt so calling Clinton corrupt doesn't bother me.

And/or

DU has become a right-wing smear website full of Bernie supporters parroting right-wing conspiracy theories.

Oh and some version of Clinton is OJ; yeah he's covered in blood and there's AMPLE evidence he killed two people, but a court found him innocent so technically he's innocent.

[Agschmid]

13. Lol.

Yeah... No.

[EdwardBernays]

17. Well

I can show you multiple examples if you'd like.

I can also show you a Clinton supporter saying that the ENTIRE reason they were voting for Clinton was because she had more AA staffers than Sanders.

That was it.

No other reason.

[Agschmid]

19. Show me whatever you want...

Just because one person on an anonymous discussion board says it doesn't mean it's a fact/true.

[EdwardBernays]

23. Well that's the point

This is not all just one person.

I've been told the first two things over and over and over.

[Agschmid]

24. I've seen bullshit from both sides, neither side is "clean" here on DU.

[EdwardBernays]

29. ?

What's that got to do with the OP?

[Agschmid]

33. You brought it up.

Just responding to you, we could both show each other posts that are OTT, or out of line.

[Hortensis]

61. Sure did. OP, most women ALWAYS supported Hillary.

All honest observers knew that, a poll I never saw just one of many with the same message.

But she's far stronger than just that: Democrats support Hillary in very high numbers. She is well liked and well respected in our party.

[Agschmid]

62. Yup.

[CorporatistNation]

63. A Laughable Assertion of The First Order!

General Election will tell the tale ... IF Clinton Incorporated is the nominee... It will not be pretty....

[Hortensis]

66. This is from STANFORD UNIVERSITY'S Crowdpac,

"a website that not only analyzes a candidate’s voting record and statements but their history of political donations as well.

The founders of Crowdpac say that combining these factors provides a more accurate picture of a candidate’s true political philosophy, especially when some potential candidates (such as Carly Fiorina and Ben Carson) never have held office and thus have no voting record to judge."

I was surprised to see analysis of their records put Hillary slightly left of Martin O'Malley, but I'm guessing the realities of being a governor checked by a state legislature might account for that. Or maybe she is just a bit left in ideology.

(BTW, Marco Rubio? He moves wherever the ladder reaches highest, and most observers consider him in this period way over by Cruz. If he wants the Kochtopus to choose him for president, he'll stay there. And he really, really does.

Notice also, the Democratic ticket has NO candidate as extreme as the worst on the right.)

[NurseJackie]

2. Ha!! :-D (You'll have to do better than that! Time's running out. Tick-tock!)

Threads like this never go very well. But it's still entertaining to watch.

[togetherforever]

7. It's a valid question

Even Clinton has mentioned the fact she would be the first woman President .

[Agschmid]

15. Well she would.

That's an actual fact... Should she be elected she would be the first woman. Are you debating that?

[togetherforever]

34. If she was a man running on the same record against a person like Sanders

who would you support?

Just indulge me for a second..

If Clinton was a man , Walmart ties , Big bank ties , SOS that laughed about bombing and killing people.

Kissinger as his mentor , Super Pacs funded by big banks and Wall street types all supporting him.

THEN we would have Sanders as he is now.

Who would you support as our next President ?????

[Agschmid]

38. Whomever I thought was the best candidate.

I'm not anti-Bernie I've actually voted for him and helped him get elected to his Senate seat.

Again my vote, my choice.

[togetherforever]

41. If we are to expouse Democratic values then Bernie would be the obvious choice over Clinton

Her track record would make a Republican proud


Why then would Clinton supporters vote for her over Bernie?

First woman President running as a democrat ???

[Agschmid]

43. Oh boy...

Have at it.

I'm voting for Clinton, I support Clinton and it's got pretty much nothing to do with her equipment down there.

But clearly according to you I don't support Democratic values and I can't see past her sex.

I'm so over people telling me how I should think and how I'm not a democrat because of who I want to vote for. The new DU...

Keep on keeping on.

[PeaceNikki]

37. No, it's not. It's a loaded, judgemental, ridiculous arrogant question.

[all american girl]

56. Thank you for aying what I couldn't get out because this makes me....angry.

I voted for her and so did my husband....he doesn't have girly bits....I and I can actually think for myself....image that.

[LanternWaste]

52. It's in invalid question as it contains an inherent yet unsupported premise.

It's in invalid question as it contains an inherent yet unsupported premise; i.e., a logical fallacy known as 'the complex question.'

[Agschmid]

4. Nothing like meta in the morning...

I support my candidate for many reasons.

My vote my choice, belittling others is lame.

[sufrommich]

5. Women vote with their vaginas,amirite?

Also, Obama won because black people vote based on color. Only white dudes vote with their brains.

[workinclasszero]

16. That always seems to be their implication eh?

[all american girl]

57. Vaginas unite...oops, did I let the secret out of the bag

[TCJ70]

6. I'm going to say something inflammatory...

...but I think Clinton gets many votes because of her name and gender. It's evident in the cries of sexism against her. It's evident in the lack of her policies brought up by her supporters here.

It's not a good sign for November. People will see through it because there's nothing really to look at.

[leftofcool]

11. Yea, we women just vote with our vaginas.

Good gawd!

[TCJ70]

12. I didn't say anything about women voters...

...but thanks for putting words in my post?

[Agschmid]

20. But you did...

[TCJ70]

25. Not specifically...

...she has support from all over the spectrum. Doesn't matter if it's a man, woman, LGBT, AA, Latino, whatever.

[Agschmid]

27. Yes she does, it's great.

[workinclasszero]

18. You people never learn do you?

Keep up the insults bros.

Its gonna pay off for you BIGTIME starting tomorrow!

[Agschmid]

21. This post is alert bait, don't take it.

Edit your post before you get a hide, it's not worth it.

[TCJ70]

22. Tell me what's wrong with what I wrote?

Do you not think Clinton gets many votes because of her name and gender? People get excited about having "The First (BLANK) President". They just do! It doesn't make her the best choice, though...

[Agschmid]

26. People are allowed to vote how they want.

If that *IS* the reason they vote so be it, we have a turnout problem telling people they aren't voting for the "right" reasons is not going to help that.

It's not your job to decide what is or is not the right reason for someone to vote for someone else.

I wish people would stop.

[PeaceNikki]

36. This is an important point I've also tried to make. Thank you.

[Agschmid]

39. No problem!

[TCJ70]

49. You're right...

...people can vote however they want, and I can have an opinion about it. Gender and name are not good reasons to vote for someone for president. If you're not voting for her for either of those reasons, I think you're alright, not that it means anything.

[all american girl]

59. AWESOME!!!!!!!!

[workinclasszero]

30. You must vote the way old white men tell you

Or you are mindlessly voting for your gender or race, is that your philosophy?

Does that about cover it?

[TCJ70]

50. No it doesn't...

...gender and name are not good reasons to vote for someone for president. If you have reasons other than that, policy wise, great! I just think a large portion of her support, from all over the spectrum, don't have that. You may not be one of those people and that's fine.

[LanternWaste]

53. Not inflammatory, merely another logical fallacy.

Another premise based wholly on a a logical fallacy. Your being the ever popular, 'post hoc ergo prompter hoc; argument. "Since event Y followed event X, event Y must have been caused by event X."

GDP is certainly not the home of rational thought.

[livetohike]

8. Banks! Wall Street! Establishment! Corporations! Transcripts!

Fizzle. That's the sound of the Sanders campaign berning out. Get used to saying Madam President 😊.

I'm voting for the most qualified candidate.

[leftofcool]

10. It's a uterus vote post!

[LexVegas]

14. Big Banks! Wall Street! nt

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

28. And the answer is...

Since 69% of Americans want to see a woman president in their lifetime, older voters are voting for Hillary. Don't believe it? Bernie isn't winning that demo.

[riversedge]

31. Hillary is not owned by the banks so NO problem. bye. Enough said.

[Jester Messiah]

51. Denial ain't just a river in Egypt. [nt]

[LanternWaste]

54. Nor is even a river in Egypt... merely a bumper sticker used in place of rational responses.

Nor is even a river in Egypt... merely a bumper sticker used in place of rational responses.

[Gamecock Lefty]

32. I was damn proud . . .

that is was my political party that gave us the first African-American president. But I didn’t vote for Obama because he was black.

I’m going to equally as proud when my party elects the first woman president, but I’m not voting for Hillary because she is a woman.

I’m an older white guy, so you’d think I’d go with the old guy – right? Not!

Go get ‘em, Hillary!

[PonyUp]

35. The giddiness will cease for us all if Trump gets in the White House. n/t

[redstateblues]

40. Are you still beating your spouse?

[Agschmid]

44. Not worth the hide!

This whole OP is alert bait don't give in.

[BostonBob]

42. Old white money men for Hillary

Must vote the way old white men at Goldman Sachs, Bank of America, Comcast MSNBC, and all those old white men at the top of the war and weapons industry want. Then the fleecing can continue while people are celebrating their "empowerment" as multinational corporate tyranny continues. Bernie has done well in states that have actually voted. If he doesn't prevail against the tidal wave of corrupt money and corporate media propaganda, all of our demographic tribes are screwed except for the tribe of the top 1%.

[NCTraveler]

45. I think we will move forward together, forever, toward a more just society.

From the East Coast to cali.

Together, Forever.

[DrDan]

46. you should add to your question - " . . . and do you still beat your spouse?"

[Tarc]

47. I've never really been concerned with the "banks and Wall Street" argument, so, there ya go

[Adrahil]

48. Sorta like "when did you stop beating your wife."

Both those issues are important, but I think policy is more important than the sex of the person advancing it. But I also think in the end both will be able to get about the same amount of stuff done with regards to banks and Wall Street. In my opinion, of course.

I do, however, look forward to FINALLY having a woman as President.

[togetherforever]

58. I agree with you

"I do, however, look forward to FINALLY having a woman as President"


But does this trump (pardon the pun) having another man President that actually
has a track record of fighting for the poor and middle class.

A person who hasn't been shown to be a liar and shift with how the political winds happen to blow?

[Starry Messenger]

55. That means more men support the man.

[PeaceNikki]

60. Oh look, another newb here to ponder why Clinton supporters are 'voting with their vaginas'.

Welcome and please, enjoy it while you're here. There are pastries and coffee in the Lounge.

[hamsterjill]

64. It is important to me to have a qualified candidate fill the office of the Presidency.

I simply believe (and contrary to all of the fuss and muss on DU, it is my RIGHT to believe) that Hillary is the better of the two candidates.

I am not "giddy" in any sense. People, both men and women, are free to choose the nominee that they deem best. I insist on that right for myself. I have tried hard not to involve myself in all of the mud slinging on DU, and none of the mudslinging that I've read on DU has had an impact on my choice.

May the best candidate win. And when that candidate is chosen, I, for one, expect all Democrats to fall in line and support that candidate. Anything less is immature and childish. Anything less is just going to put a Republican in the office of the Presidency and then the country will go back to being as shitty as it was when Bush (either one) was in office.

[Lucinda]

65. She isn't owned by banks and wall street. Her biggest contributers are the voters.

Nice try though!